Guest pelmetman Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 As I said earlier I have two layflat hoses which solves the problem......... if the tap is any further than a 100 foot away I wouldn't want to be humping water 8-).......... It does have its drawbacks though :-S.................as you end up filling everybody else's tank :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The differences illustrate the wide range of MH use, some spend time in one place, (like tuggers do), level the MH, set up the awning, put up the wind breaks, settle down and need to top up often, others move on regularly and fill up on arrival, emptying on leaving to lighten the load. I use a watering can to keep fit, work off the pasta and vino. I rarely stay more than three days in one place, otherwise I would have bought a caravan! Each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The Truma and Whale products are regularly criticised by motorhome journalists. Tests of Auto-Sleepers models in the January and March 2013 issues of MMM commented on slow filling, with a Nuevo ES earning this comment "...inordinately slow - an unbelievable 40 minutes with the tap full on!" I can fully understand why some people will appreciate having the capability to use an external pump to transfer water from a container to their motorhome's onboard tank, but surely Curtisden's arrangement makes best sense as it offers the best of both worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leake Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Billggski - 2013-12-13 6:25 PM The differences illustrate the wide range of MH use, some spend time in one place, (like tuggers do), level the MH, set up the awning, put up the wind breaks, settle down and need to top up often, others move on regularly and fill up on arrival, emptying on leaving to lighten the load. I use a watering can to keep fit, work off the pasta and vino. I rarely stay more than three days in one place, otherwise I would have bought a caravan! Each to their own. That's exactly what we do. Looked on the bottom of my can and was amused to see it cost 89p. Must be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisden Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 bolero boy - 2013-12-13 6:09 PM Rayjsj - 2013-12-13 5:00 PM bolero boy - 2013-12-13 2:37 PM Peter, why is it relevant to mention an electronic pump/feed in order to obtain water from a cemetery or similar? Surely, a watering can or other container with a funnel/feed will do the job? I just don't see the necessity for carrying an external water storage device when there is a perfectly good one onboard? I can see the issue for those in caravans which dont have onboard tanks but to carry a massive water carrier seems over the top. You don't seem to get it do you, other people, some times, do things differantly to you. (and me !) I tried the 'Watering can' trick, I don't like carrying water, it is VERY heavy, so a 23 litre water carrier, not 'massive' , but on wheels, and not much bigger than a watering can. Does the trick very well, and a water source, that might not be accessable by Vehicle (cemetery tap) is perfectly accessable by foot and water carrier. Then pumped up into the inboard tank. We survived on the Hebrides very well like that, getting water where we could. Just a differant way of doing things is all. Ray I admit that I wouldn't use an Aquaroll or a Wastemaster though, far too unwieldy and the wrong 'Shape' to use in a motorhome. Sorry, Ray. Didnt meant to tread on your corns. Yes, we are all different, just trying to help make life a little less complex with a bit less 'stuff'. Im sure a seperate water carrier and pump works well and, as you say, each to their own. Never said I carried a aqua roll? A rolled up pump and a 10 lt container takes up far less room than a watering can and IMO far more useful. "Engage brain before typing is a good rule." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Although the Truma & Whale specialised products have been chosen by some UK motorhome manufacturers for water-filling, to the best of my knowledge Continental European converters have always fitted a 'hose-hole' filling point. Just in case anyone is considering modifying a Truma/Whale system to a 'hose-hole' one, this earlier thread may be of interest: http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/whale-water-fillers/27045/?posts=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Curtisden - 2013-12-13 11:33 PM bolero boy - 2013-12-13 6:09 PM Rayjsj - 2013-12-13 5:00 PM bolero boy - 2013-12-13 2:37 PM Peter, why is it relevant to mention an electronic pump/feed in order to obtain water from a cemetery or similar? Surely, a watering can or other container with a funnel/feed will do the job? I just don't see the necessity for carrying an external water storage device when there is a perfectly good one onboard? I can see the issue for those in caravans which dont have onboard tanks but to carry a massive water carrier seems over the top. You don't seem to get it do you, other people, some times, do things differantly to you. (and me !) I tried the 'Watering can' trick, I don't like carrying water, it is VERY heavy, so a 23 litre water carrier, not 'massive' , but on wheels, and not much bigger than a watering can. Does the trick very well, and a water source, that might not be accessable by Vehicle (cemetery tap) is perfectly accessable by foot and water carrier. Then pumped up into the inboard tank. We survived on the Hebrides very well like that, getting water where we could. Just a differant way of doing things is all. Ray I admit that I wouldn't use an Aquaroll or a Wastemaster though, far too unwieldy and the wrong 'Shape' to use in a motorhome. Sorry, Ray. Didnt meant to tread on your corns. Yes, we are all different, just trying to help make life a little less complex with a bit less 'stuff'. Im sure a seperate water carrier and pump works well and, as you say, each to their own. Never said I carried a aqua roll? A rolled up pump and a 10 lt container takes up far less room than a watering can and IMO far more useful. "Engage brain before typing is a good rule." Peter, cant work out whether its my brain or Ray's that you're requesting to be engaged? As i didnt mention an Aquaroll, i'll assume you meant Ray? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisden Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 bolero boy - 2013-12-14 8:29 AM Curtisden - 2013-12-13 11:33 PM bolero boy - 2013-12-13 6:09 PM Rayjsj - 2013-12-13 5:00 PM bolero boy - 2013-12-13 2:37 PM Peter, why is it relevant to mention an electronic pump/feed in order to obtain water from a cemetery or similar? Surely, a watering can or other container with a funnel/feed will do the job? I just don't see the necessity for carrying an external water storage device when there is a perfectly good one onboard? I can see the issue for those in caravans which dont have onboard tanks but to carry a massive water carrier seems over the top. You don't seem to get it do you, other people, some times, do things differantly to you. (and me !) I tried the 'Watering can' trick, I don't like carrying water, it is VERY heavy, so a 23 litre water carrier, not 'massive' , but on wheels, and not much bigger than a watering can. Does the trick very well, and a water source, that might not be accessable by Vehicle (cemetery tap) is perfectly accessable by foot and water carrier. Then pumped up into the inboard tank. We survived on the Hebrides very well like that, getting water where we could. Just a differant way of doing things is all. Ray I admit that I wouldn't use an Aquaroll or a Wastemaster though, far too unwieldy and the wrong 'Shape' to use in a motorhome. Sorry, Ray. Didnt meant to tread on your corns. Yes, we are all different, just trying to help make life a little less complex with a bit less 'stuff'. Im sure a seperate water carrier and pump works well and, as you say, each to their own. Never said I carried a aqua roll? A rolled up pump and a 10 lt container takes up far less room than a watering can and IMO far more useful. "Engage brain before typing is a good rule." Peter, cant work out whether its my brain or Ray's that you're requesting to be engaged? As i didnt mention an Aquaroll, i'll assume you meant Ray? ;-) Correct. All I was saying is what i do and find useful when wild camping to FILL UP in out of way places. Nothing else. Its just that on here you make a simple statement which is hopefully to the benefit of other readers and you get jumped on for what you clearly have not said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I agree, we must all be suffering from 'Cabin Fever' all far too 'Touchy'. Roll on the Spring. Now I understand why 'survivors' on a desert island end up Killing each other, and not just for food. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Double post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-12-14 8:10 AM I must be missing something here, I've got a water carrier on wheels......................it's called a motor home. :-) I'd get that water 'Ingress' fixed if I were you, 1 foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 On our Autocruise Accent we also have the electric 'plug-in' point next to our water tank fill point, however the fill point is fortunately a standard one, however I recall looking at a Swift Mondial van which was a little bit older (part of the same company) which still had the 'pump-in' only type water fill point. I remember it simply because it was the one thing that, had I bought the van, I would have insisted was changed to a standard fill point by the dealer prior to purchase! We use a 20 litre collapsible 'cube' type water carrier and also have a couple of 'flat' 5L ones too (see below) all are very easy to store and we find that the 5L ones, being rigid, can be easily stood up in the washroom when full to give us some extra water capacity when we need it (we only have a 66L freshwater tank), we use them in this way when we are going to be having a shower, washing hair etc, which uses quite a bit of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Depending on number of days on a site (this can vary considerably depending on type of touring etc) emptying the waste water may become an issue before the need to fill the fresh due to the fact that many vans have a larger fresh tank than waste tank. On the premise that 'what goes in must come out' the waste will fill as quickly as the fresh empties (notwithstanding the fact that tea/coffee exit the van by a slightly different route ;-) ). So, just as we like to use a hose, filler can or similar to top up the fresh tank, i bet we all don't drive to the drive over service point to empty........or do we? I' thinking of those with levellers, awnings etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southender Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 bolero boy - 2013-12-15 8:56 AM So, just as we like to use a hose, filler can or similar to top up the fresh tank, i bet we all don't drive to the drive over service point to empty........or do we? ...... The ones that spends weeks on 1 site at a time ( might as well have a caravan ) tend to use wastehogs or as the ones that don`t give a damn just leave the waste tank valve open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 1footinthegrave - 2013-12-15 10:59 AM I've only got to hear two words to strike terror into me, Aquaroll, and Wastehog. 8-) no three actually, Caravan :D Haha, Mike, some have the pleasure of all three ;-) Incidentally, i don't like tap openers, either......my pal is hopeless for leaving a trail and I've berated him over this.....thick skin......or just thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtisden Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Southender - 2013-12-15 10:47 AM bolero boy - 2013-12-15 8:56 AM So, just as we like to use a hose, filler can or similar to top up the fresh tank, i bet we all don't drive to the drive over service point to empty........or do we? ...... The ones that spends weeks on 1 site at a time ( might as well have a caravan ) tend to use wastehogs or as the ones that don`t give a damn just leave the waste tank valve open. Having been connected with the disposal of waste till I retired this is not a good thing to do on site. While it in it's self it is a small contamination and a one off will do little damage, week after week on the same place or site builds up the fat layer in the top soil leading to bacteria growth and at the very least smells. French sewers have the same problem, lack of proper cleaning. Its the same smell. But it gets worse as in hot climates the risk is far higher and the food waste will drag in rodents under the van. With all that leads to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocro Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Just got around to filling up today for our new year's trip, here's the bit of kit I made up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Curtisden - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM Southender - 2013-12-15 10:47 AM bolero boy - 2013-12-15 8:56 AM So, just as we like to use a hose, filler can or similar to top up the fresh tank, i bet we all don't drive to the drive over service point to empty........or do we? ...... The ones that spends weeks on 1 site at a time ( might as well have a caravan ) tend to use wastehogs or as the ones that don`t give a damn just leave the waste tank valve open. Having been connected with the disposal of waste till I retired this is not a good thing to do on site. While it in it's self it is a small contamination and a one off will do little damage, week after week on the same place or site builds up the fat layer in the top soil leading to bacteria growth and at the very least smells. French sewers have the same problem, lack of proper cleaning. Its the same smell. But it gets worse as in hot climates the risk is far higher and the food waste will drag in rodents under the van. With all that leads to. Which is why I use the hole in my bucket method ;-).................as all the crud collects in the bucket whilst the water slowly drains away :->..................... after a couple of weeks the crud left is amazing 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Dave, how small is the hole which can allow water through but not 'crud'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 bolero boy - 2013-12-28 9:15 AM Dave, how small is the hole which can allow water through but not 'crud'? Hole-in-bucket size was discussed here http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Dumping-grey-waste/27718/ Apparently the unit of measurement for the size of the hole is called a "Subtle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Cheers Derek , didnt do a search as i thought that there couldn't possible have been a thread already about 'hole size' :$....and that's me being 'subtle' ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 .......haha, I've just reread the thread and it seems i am an evangelical bugger, waste water disputes are settled with broken noses and hole size really is the way to a better life....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Having an extra water facility is a good idea! My method is a bit bonkers but effective. :-D I have a 25 litre rigid plastic carrier and a 5 litre collapsable one. On an Aire where the tap is miles away this can be useful if you dont want to move. Now comes the bonkers bit. Its flipping heavy when full and Mrs D wont let me have a fold away caddy to carry the damned thing on as she says I need to keep fit. I cheat though sometimes by balancing the thing (full) between my legs on the scooter. This provides great entertainment for the neighbours. So far I havent dropped it or fallen off but its just a matter of time. :-D Then the even more fun bit begins. I stick a large funnel in the tank and then attempt to heft the bloody great thing up high and fill the tank while holding the funnel. This usually means you get quite wet but 4 of those equals a full tank! I do however then fill it again and stand it next to the sink. It has a tap on it and as its food grade it serves as drinking water. The little 5 litre carrier goes in the top box and is useful when wilding and out and about for as and when you see a tap. I like the pump idea but I am not sure Mrs D will aprove. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Thanks, Barry.....here's a tip for you. Instead of the funnel (which, as you have found out, requires one hand to steady it while trying to pour.....) we use a plastic 'drain pipe elbow' which, with a little tape wrapped to make the diameter match, and this fits neatly into the water inlet, allowing you two hands to do the lifting/pouring job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav7 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hi gocro, That seems like the best of both worlds. If I make up something similar with my connector I can then connect a hose when arriving on site and after that use my pump to refill the motorhome tank. I just need to but the necessary connections now. Many thanks for that, Dave. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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