gocro Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 £30 a night. NEC car park. 18-23 Feb. The Caravan Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 gocro - 2014-01-13 6:13 PM £30 a night. NEC car park. 18-23 Feb. The Caravan Club.Gorden I do like that (lol) (lol) British aires are s cheap????? Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 That'll make the Weymouth Aire a bargain ;-)................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 gocro - 2014-01-13 6:13 PM £30 a night. NEC car park. 18-23 Feb. The Caravan Club. The clue is in the name - Caravan Club. They never have liked motor caravans and especially not those that only stay one night on a site and even less those that prefer to never use their sites in favour of Aire type camping (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Tracker - 2014-01-13 9:27 PM gocro - 2014-01-13 6:13 PM £30 a night. NEC car park. 18-23 Feb. The Caravan Club. The clue is in the name - Caravan Club. They never have liked motor caravans and especially not those that only stay one night on a site and even less those that prefer to never use their sites in favour of Aire type camping (lol) You've had all this explained to you in the past Tracker so your post is either another attempt at stirring the pot or you are unable to comprehend why it's called what it it. Being kind to you and assuming it's the latter I'll try to set it out again for you. The CC was formed over a 100 years ago when there were no motorhomes etc. Now it welcomes them and many site wardens actually own them. But to change its name to 'The Caravan, Motorhome and Fifth-Wheeler Club' would not be a smart move. Think about the Carphone Warehouse, that may give you a clue. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The sad thing about it though is there are plenty of mugs who will pay it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 ..30 quid a night does seem steep. Having said that, I wasn't aware that the Caravan Club owned and ran the car parks at or near the NEC and therefore would be setting all of the charges?.... ;-) And by the looks of it, it isn't just a pitching spot(Sorry!.."Aire") anyway... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lifted directly from the CC website: Further campsite information •420 pitches per night over 7 days •2940 pitch nights available in total •All pitches provided with an Electric Hook-up (max 6 amps only) •A mixture of paved and shingle hard standing pitches •Shuttle service provided to and from the Show •Marquee on site with mobile bar and catering services •Free evening entertainment (Tuesday through to Saturday inclusive) •Fresh water available •Black, grey and dry waste disposal •Small toilet block, no showers •Own sanitation recommended ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not our thing, so I'm not all that fussed either way (...but padding out a thread with some real facts/details, rather than just whingeing about a "headline", isn't a bad thing is it..... ;-) )...but if it's what some folk want to spend their money and time on, then that's up to them. ..and I'm a bit surprised that those who tell us that they don't "do" clubs or UK sites, would be that all that fussed either... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Am I correct in understanding that the EHU are supplied by numerous large generators dotted around the car park running 24/7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 sshortcircuit - 2014-01-14 8:49 AM Am I correct in understanding that the EHU are supplied by numerous large generators dotted around the car park running 24/7? Well it wouldn't really surprise me if it was..as I can't see a "car park" having 400+ ehu points, can you..? (..not to mention the power requirements of a mobile bar, catering and "entertainment"...) The use of large generators is not unusual for large, "off grid" gatherings anyway.... ;-) Although,other than for perhaps "medical requirements", I don't know why someone would need ehu when it's only for just a few nights anyway.. :-S (..and 6amp isn't going to keep all their fan heaters, kettles and TVs going for long..(lol) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I went up to the NEC in October and stayed at a small CL about 5 miles from the show, we paid £12 for a space in a field with minimum facilities. In order to view leisurely over two days we really have to take the van (and possible make a trip of it by exploring other parts of the area over 4 or 5 days) and park somewhere, CL or NEC, but we don't need any facilities. Certainly not entertainment or the like. Is this how the CC thinks its OK to charge this sort of amount. Day visitors get free parking. Surely, the free period could just be extended and if there needs to be some sort of 'temporary regulation adherence' for overnighting, then the CC could arrange this and still make a profit at £10 a night. Most visitors can get away without EHU for one night so no real need of the extra expense of setting all this up. Perhaps, one parking area with no facilities for £10 and the special entertainment/EHU area for £30? To try and do the show in a day using the car is more difficult as we have to drive up and back from the West Country so early start. £30 is a ridiculous figure for a stay in a carpark, no one would pay this sort of money for a proper site with pool etc, let alone one sandwiched along with loads of others in a British winter. I do want to go to the show and am looking at how I can make the trip into a break. Looks like checking out those CLs again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 When we went in October we used a couple of very friendly Britstops within half an hour's drive. Supported their businesses with evening meal at one and breakfast at the other, spent less than half of what CC charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi, Not saying the price couldn't be a bit cheaper but given the fact you do not have to drive to the centre and there is catering and a beer tent there,the price would not put me off if I wished to go to the show. It is only the odd occasion after all. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You must remember that this land is owned and run by the N.E.C. and that's why it is so expensive to stay on it. If I remember correctly the CCC also runs the (site) car park some years, but I would imagine the N.E.C take the lions share of the fees. Its like any organised show in this country, the pricing is just silly, possibly caused by greedy landowners. For some who have travelled many miles to the show, its the only way, as C.Ls are not that many in the area, and travel lodges up their prices when a show is on. Why bother ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-01-14 7:39 AM The CC was formed over a 100 years ago when there were no motorhomes etc. Now it welcomes them and many site wardens actually own them. But to change its name to 'The Caravan, Motorhome and Fifth-Wheeler Club' would not be a smart move. Oh dear, another year, same old Frank, still taking it all to heart! Funnily enough Frank, having been a camper by various formats for over 60 years I was already aware of the Caravan Club's history and I do so agree that changing the name would be daft. Might it be far better to adapt and change the way they operate and, dare I say it, endeavour to encompass the differing needs of those new fangled Dormobile thingies that have only been around in numbers for a mere 50 years now? Or is that too radical a thought for such a staid company so afraid of upsetting their core members by altering the status quo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Tracker - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM Might it be far better to adapt and change the way they operate and, dare I say it, endeavour to encompass the differing needs of those new fangled Dormobile thingies that have only been around in numbers for a mere 50 years now? Or is that too radical a thought for such a staid company so afraid of upsetting their core members by altering the status quo? There speaks a man who claims that he never uses sites. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Tracker - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM Had Enough - 2014-01-14 7:39 AM The CC was formed over a 100 years ago when there were no motorhomes etc. Now it welcomes them and many site wardens actually own them. But to change its name to 'The Caravan, Motorhome and Fifth-Wheeler Club' would not be a smart move. .. having been a camper by various formats for over 60 years I was already aware of the Caravan Club's history and I do so agree that changing the name would be daft. So why do you keep bringing up the old argument that its name proves its modus operandi? And can you explain how motorhomes are treated differently as I'm damned if I can? Whenever I use a CC site I have never found any difference in the way I'm treated from when I was a tugger and, as I said, many wardens are motorhomers.If you were to use a CC site off season you'd find there's a predominance of motorhomers. First of all Richard, you should learn that things have changed since twenty years ago when you last used a CC site and secondly, it really is time that you started to put into practice the signature that you peddle every day and accept that many people are happy with the CC and like its sites. We're all different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 derek pringle - 2014-01-14 9:26 AM Hi, Not saying the price couldn't be a bit cheaper but given the fact you do not have to drive to the centre and there is catering and a beer tent there,the price would not put me off if I wished to go to the show. It is only the odd occasion after all. cheers derek And it doesn't put off hundreds of others either. Comparing this with an aire is just plain silly! The NEC has a captive audience and will be charging the CC tens of thousands of pounds for the use of this large plot of land. The CC has then shipped in all the infrastructure for a proper site. They have portable diesel generators and have laid out the wiring for 400 EHUs. They are providing a portaloo and a huge marquee with a bar and free entertainment every evening so that people can socialise. There is also a constantly running shuttle service to the exhibition. When you consider the costs of installing all this and taking it down after just a few days I doubt if the club is making much profit, if any, from this service to its members. Many people clearly value the convenience of the site and not having to bother seeking out CLs of which there will be few and then putting up with the commuting and parking hassle. As has been said, let's not confuse a snappy headline with any facts! That just wouldn't do for those with a bee in their bonnet about clubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 malc d - 2014-01-14 9:49 AM Tracker - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM Might it be far better to adapt and change the way they operate and, dare I say it, endeavour to encompass the differing needs of those new fangled Dormobile thingies that have only been around in numbers for a mere 50 years now? Or is that too radical a thought for such a staid company so afraid of upsetting their core members by altering the status quo? There speaks a man who claims that he never uses sites. ;-) I know! (lol) It does make you wonder! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 chas - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM You must remember that this land is owned and run by the N.E.C. and that's why it is so expensive to stay on it........ ..but, Chas, there is no NEC charge to park during the day, its part of the admission price. What I am saying is that many overnighters would happily pay an extra £10 parking fee to leave their van in the normal carpark and not be bothered with the 'facilities' on offer which, I'm sure, the vast majority are not interested in. These 'extras' are just a smokescreen to hide the exorbitant fee behind. What are the CC ofFering over and above one of their normal sites (at, say, £18) or a THS at far less? Has to be a case of milking here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bolero boy - 2014-01-14 10:14 AM chas - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM You must remember that this land is owned and run by the N.E.C. and that's why it is so expensive to stay on it........ ..but, Chas, there is no NEC charge to park during the day, its part of the admission price. What I am saying is that many overnighters would happily pay an extra £10 parking fee to leave their van in the normal carpark and not be bothered with the 'facilities' on offer which, I'm sure, the vast majority are not interested in. These 'extras' are just a smokescreen to hide the exorbitant fee behind. What are the CC ofFering over and above one of their normal sites (at, say, £18) or a THS at far less? Has to be a case of milking here...... So you appear to know what the CC is paying the NEC? Perhaps you can enlighten us? And comparing it with a normal site is just silly! On a normal site you don't have to ship in generators, erect a huge marquee, provide a bar and entertainment and lay cabling for 400 'vans just for a week only to have to remove it all again. Electric installations on sites last for many years and the relative cost is a fraction of a temporary one. If you don't want to use this facility you don't have to, but many people are happy to do so and presumably enjoy the social side and the bar and entertainment etc. But I do wonder at your inside knowledge of the costing of this operation and how the CC is making an exorbitant profit - come on, let's have the figures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 bolero boy - 2014-01-14 10:14 AM chas - 2014-01-14 9:35 AM You must remember that this land is owned and run by the N.E.C. and that's why it is so expensive to stay on it........ ..but, Chas, there is no NEC charge to park during the day, its part of the admission price. What I am saying is that many overnighters would happily pay an extra £10 parking fee to leave their van in the normal carpark and not be bothered with the 'facilities' on offer which, I'm sure, the vast majority are not interested in. These 'extras' are just a smokescreen to hide the exorbitant fee behind. What are the CC offering over and above one of their normal sites (at, say, £18) or a THS at far less? Has to be a case of milking here...... Ooh?!..so if you rolled in in your van, you can park all day for nowt then?... 8-) I hadn't realised that...and if that is the case, I can see what you mean and the "no frills" £10 overnighting option would make *good sense..and let those who want the "extras", pay the full 30 quid. (*..although perhaps not good "financial" sense, if they can fill them at £30.. :-S .) It will be interesting to see the overall uptake on these pitches though.... Edit: Sorry HE,crossed your post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think it is also relevant to remember that the club presumably ' hires ' the car park for a few days. There are usually several shows on at once at the NEC, not just the motorhome show, so car parking space is not available for the other shows where parking charges WOULD be applied. So the NEC may well be covering the loss of those car park charges. £30 does seem a lot, but without an inside knowledge of how the charges are made up it's not possible to judge how 'reasonable' the charges are. For anyone travelling a distance to get there £30 for the convenience may be worth while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 malc d - 2014-01-14 10:40 AM £30 does seem a lot, but without an inside knowledge of how the charges are made up it's not possible to judge how 'reasonable' the charges are. For anyone travelling a distance to get there £30 for the convenience may be worth while. ...and that's it in a nut shell really, isn't it.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 malc d - 2014-01-14 9:49 AM There speaks a man who claims that he never uses sites. Not used a CC site since the summer before leaving when they wanted to make me pay for ehu I never use and didn't want, however many years ago that was, and not used a CCC site since 2005. Not used a site abroad since one night in a six week tour of Norway in 2008, and prior to that one night in a four week trip to France in 2005. I never claimed never - just not any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Tracker - 2014-01-14 12:42 PM malc d - 2014-01-14 9:49 AM There speaks a man who claims that he never uses sites. Not used a CC site since the summer before leaving when they wanted to make me pay for ehu I never use and didn't want, however many years ago that was, and not used a CCC site since 2005. Not used a site abroad since one night in a six week tour of Norway in 2008, and prior to that one night in a four week trip to France in 2005. I never claimed never - just not any more! Not quite true! You use them when it suits you! I am wandering around Morocco and enjoying it very much. Currently resting up on a small primitive site near Ifrane before heading into the High Atlas. I recall that you did a motorhome package tour of Morocco not long ago, which I know used lots sites. Your trip to Morocco is a parable of the debate about the CC's NEC temporary site. Presumably nervous of undertaking a trip to a very foreign country on your own you, a man famous for not spending a penny more than is necessary, forked out hundreds of pounds more than you needed to, to have the help and security of an accompanied trip with a guide. People spending £30 for a properly equipped and convenient site at the NEC is exactly the same! They like the security and convenience just as you did in Morocco. Personally, I'd hate being shepherded around for several weeks with the same bunch of people, preferring to do my own thing but, if going on a package holiday suits you that's great and good luck to you. The same goes to those who choose to use the CC site at the NEC, who am I or anyone else to criticise them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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