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I am getting conflicting advice about driving the short distance to Dubrovnik from Croatia into Bosnia in order to reach Dubrovnik. It seems it is impossible to get insurance. I have been told that there are no problems or border controls by someone who travelled this road last year and also been told that I could have my camper van confiscated. We had a bad experience going into Serbia a few years ago with our passports taken off us and then having to give 200 euros to border guards. Can anyone advise me. We are travelling with friends so 2 vans.
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You can bypass the Neum Corridor by taking a short ferry ride to a Croatian peninsular which juts out to the north of the corridor. It sails from Ploce to Trpanj and is a very pleasant short journey followed by a drive down the peninsular, which is equally pleasant. I can't remember the exact ferry cost but it's quite cheap.

 

I once decided to drive through the corridor on our way home as it was Sunday morning and quiet. We were just waved through by Bosnian customs and drove very carefully for the few miles in Bosnia.

 

In retrospect I think I made a mistake. If an accident occurred that wasn't even my fault, such as someone running into me, or a pedestrian stepping into the road, I'd have been in deep trouble for not having insurance.

 

I have since swapped insurers and pay more but I now have cover for places such as Morocco and Bosnia. I use Scenic insurance.

 

 

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The above is the text-book reply. I would only add that if your crossing from Ploce to Trpanj coincides with the Bora (wind like the French Mistrale, but IMO stronger, which can blow up at pretty much any time!), you may find the ferry won't take motorhomes. This is because the wind piles up the water in what is in effect a sea loch that you are crossing, making the loading/unloading ramps steeper than usual, and increasing the likelihood of grounding under the chassis or at the rear. This is not a safety issue, purely commercial - as the ferry can't run with a motorhome stuck on its ramp! But, if your insurance won't cover Bosnia the ferry is the sensible, and quite enjoyable, work-around.

 

We too strayed through the Neum corridor, in the belief that we would find somewhere to buy insurance once we got to the Bosnian border controls. There were none, as we discovered as we exited back into Croatia! The whole border seemed only to be policed by the Croatians. This may have changed since Croatia joined the EU, as both ends of the corridor should now include EU border controls.

 

The corridor is only about 15 miles long, and the only place of note in that distance is Neum, which was a very tacky looking casino and resort town. However, the consequences of an accident of any kind while on Bosnian territory without even third party insurance would be likely to be, as Frank wisely points out, severe: possibly involving impounding of the vehicle, fines, and being held under arrest until any third party losses have been paid in full. Bearing in mind the scale of personal injury compensation claims, it would be a considerable risk to run. Low chance of occurrence maybe, but huge consequences should the worst happen. Ferry!

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Maggiemay - 2014-04-25 11:45 PM

 

I am getting conflicting advice about driving the short distance to Dubrovnik from Croatia into Bosnia in order to reach Dubrovnik. It seems it is impossible to get insurance. I have been told that there are no problems or border controls by someone who travelled this road last year and also been told that I could have my camper van confiscated. We had a bad experience going into Serbia a few years ago with our passports taken off us and then having to give 200 euros to border guards. Can anyone advise me. We are travelling with friends so 2 vans.

 

 

Your Insurance company should supply you with a Green Card which is the easiest way. However some companies make a charge for this which i find pretty disgraceful (Scenic don't), so it's worth asking your company. It's simply a single sheet of paper which happens to be green in colour, hence the name!

 

As has been mentioned you can bypass the Neum Corridor via a Ferry, but imo it's a lot of mither just to avoid a few hundred yards of road! You are in...and out of the Bosnian section in the blink of an eye! So do try obtaining a Green Card first.

 

Sorry to hear of your bad experience in Serbia. Though you didn't say what the reason was for having your Passports taken from you, i hope you registered an official complaint? This sort of thing does happen but is frowned upon and extremely rare. I had the total opposite experience with Serbian border guards, all of whom were very polite, very pleasant and helpful......and as a single man travelling alone i thought i'd be a prime target. The Serbian people know about this kind of corruption with foreign tourists and take very strong views about it as quite rightly they feel it reflects badly against them and their country.

 

I loved Serbia and made many friends, some of whom i remain in contact with.

 

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Brian Kirby - 2014-04-26 10:29 AM

 

We too strayed through the Neum corridor, in the belief that we would find somewhere to buy insurance once we got to the Bosnian border controls. There were none, as we discovered as we exited back into Croatia! The whole border seemed only to be policed by the Croatians. This may have changed since Croatia joined the EU, as both ends of the corridor should now include EU border controls.

 

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Ditto.

In Spring 2013 we were stopped by a sole policeman in the town of Neum. We smiled handed him our passports, he said 'tourist?'. We said yes and he waved us on. I will NEVER do that again.

No green card then take the ferry to Peljesac peninsula.

I should add that it was only last year we failed to get our own insurer to give us a green card (Safeguard)

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arthur49 - 2014-04-26 12:48 PM

 

I should add that it was only last year we failed to get our own insurer to give us a green card (Safeguard)

 

 

That alone would be enough for me to take my business elsewhere.

 

Unfortunately when it comes to vehicle insurance UK is pretty poor in what it offers. By comparison Netherlanders can travel virtually anywhere hence the reason you see so many in what to British are deemed 'obscure' countries.

 

Last year in Albania there were a number of Dutch on the site i was staying at (yes i was the only 'brit' there!), and one couple were enroute to Mongolia!!

 

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When we travelled down and back on this corridor in 2011 we were not stopped going either way, this year we have obtained a green card ( free form CC insurers) as we are hoping to go up into Bosnia to Mostar.
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Bulletguy - 2014-04-26 11:10 AM Your Insurance company should supply you with a Green Card which is the easiest way. However some companies make a charge for this which i find pretty disgraceful (Scenic don't), so it's worth asking your company. It's simply a single sheet of paper which happens to be green in colour, hence the name! ......................

Which is where the confusion begins! :-) Not all UK insurers cover Bosnia, and those which don't cannot issue a green card, because they lack the necessary international insurance bonding arrangements. If they do cover Bosnia, you may require a green card, or your certificate of insurance may suffice, and they may charge for issuing a green card, or not. The only way to be sure where you stand is to ask your insurer, which I assumed from their post the OP had done.

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gwyn - 2014-04-26 3:08 PM

 

When we travelled down and back on this corridor in 2011 we were not stopped going either way, ...................

Don't know the position post Croatia's joining of the EU, but pre EU membership the general experience seemed to be that you were just waved through with no formalities. However, that didn't mean you didn't need insurance to be on Bosnian roads, it would not have been a defence against prosecution if stopped while in Bosnia without insurance, and it certainly didn't mean the border guard knew you already had adequate insurance.

 

Don't rely on the fact that you are waved through as evidence that you have all the necessary documentation. It is when you try to get out, after some infringement or accident, that the shoe will begin to pinch! Be very careful, unless you have checked in detail with the relevant embassy beforehand.

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Brian Kirby - 2014-04-26 4:36 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2014-04-26 11:10 AM Your Insurance company should supply you with a Green Card which is the easiest way. However some companies make a charge for this which i find pretty disgraceful (Scenic don't), so it's worth asking your company. It's simply a single sheet of paper which happens to be green in colour, hence the name! ......................

Which is where the confusion begins! :-) Not all UK insurers cover Bosnia, and those which don't cannot issue a green card, because they lack the necessary international insurance bonding arrangements. If they do cover Bosnia, you may require a green card, or your certificate of insurance may suffice, and they may charge for issuing a green card, or not. The only way to be sure where you stand is to ask your insurer, which I assumed from their post the OP had done.

 

 

There is no confusion as far as i'm concerned.

 

Companies who can provide Green Card, some apparently charge an extra premium in addition to your standard Policy payment. The Insurer i use is Scenic (which uses AXA) makes no charge at all for issue of Green Card.

 

If visiting Bosnia, or any other Green Card country, there is no "may" about it at all. You will need a Green Card otherwise you simply are not going anywhere past that barrier. It's also worth mentioning that at each Green Card countries border i crossed last year, apart from my Passport the only document they were interested in was the Green Card. They don't want to see your insurance Policy because the Green Card is proof alone the vehicle is insured.

 

Companies unable to provide Green Card obviously cannot produce one, but that wasn't what the OP wanted to know. He's been given conflicting advice......totally incorrect advice imo. So i will attempt to simplify.

 

He feels "It seems it is impossible to get insurance."

 

It's not impossible.

 

Also; "I have been told that there are no problems or border controls by someone who travelled this road last year."

 

That is totally incorrect. There are border controls both in and out of Croatia just as there is in Bosnia (Nuem corridor section plus entering/exiting Croatia). I drove the road last year.

 

Finally; "..also been told that I could have my camper van confiscated."

 

Unless you are drug trafficking or a criminal that is very unlikely!

 

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Agreed. It was just that your statement in the post I quoted states that insurance companies "should" issue a green card. This seems to me to imply some obligation to do so, and I just wanted to clarify, for the benefit of the OP, that whereas some can, others cannot. That was where I felt the confusion might have arisen.

 

It is then for the OP to decide whether he wishes to change his insurance to a company such as Scenic, who can provide insurance in these countries and will issue green cards accordingly, or to stay with the insurer he presently has and accept the ferry as a work around. I guess that decision will largely depend on whether this trip is a "one off", or whether he wishes to continue exploring those European countries outside the EU that other insurers do not currently cover.

 

I agree with you about the Dutch. Considering the relative sizes of the UK and the Netherlands, and the size of the UK insurance "industry", I find it incredible that British insurers cover such a limited number of non-EU countries. It almost makes it worth moving to Holland! :-)

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We went last year and caught the ferry to Trepanj. The Peljesac Penisular there was the best part of our tour after visiting Dubrovnick we spent 2 weeks there are Loviste then Trepanj. This was in July/August and no problem getting a pitch.

You can get greencard cover with Caravan club if you are a member but probably a limit on length of Insurance. Husband is over 70 and we wanted 120 days so could not get greencard.

 

Dont miss Peljesac penisular. We loved it

Chris

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Bulletguy - 2014-04-27 3:17 AM

 

Brian Kirby - 2014-04-26 4:36 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2014-04-26 11:10 AM Your Insurance company should supply you with a Green Card which is the easiest way. However some companies make a charge for this which i find pretty disgraceful (Scenic don't), so it's worth asking your company. It's simply a single sheet of paper which happens to be green in colour, hence the name! ......................

Which is where the confusion begins! :-) Not all UK insurers cover Bosnia, and those which don't cannot issue a green card, because they lack the necessary international insurance bonding arrangements. If they do cover Bosnia, you may require a green card, or your certificate of insurance may suffice, and they may charge for issuing a green card, or not. The only way to be sure where you stand is to ask your insurer, which I assumed from their post the OP had done.

 

 

There is no confusion as far as i'm concerned.

 

Companies who can provide Green Card, some apparently charge an extra premium in addition to your standard Policy payment. The Insurer i use is Scenic (which uses AXA) makes no charge at all for issue of Green Card.

 

If visiting Bosnia, or any other Green Card country, there is no "may" about it at all. You will need a Green Card otherwise you simply are not going anywhere past that barrier. It's also worth mentioning that at each Green Card countries border i crossed last year, apart from my Passport the only document they were interested in was the Green Card. They don't want to see your insurance Policy because the Green Card is proof alone the vehicle is insured.

 

Companies unable to provide Green Card obviously cannot produce one, but that wasn't what the OP wanted to know. He's been given conflicting advice......totally incorrect advice imo. So i will attempt to simplify.

 

He feels "It seems it is impossible to get insurance."

 

It's not impossible.

 

Also; "I have been told that there are no problems or border controls by someone who travelled this road last year."

 

That is totally incorrect. There are border controls both in and out of Croatia just as there is in Bosnia (Nuem corridor section plus entering/exiting Croatia). I drove the road last year.

 

Finally; "..also been told that I could have my camper van confiscated."

 

Unless you are drug trafficking or a criminal that is very unlikely!

 

Just a couple of points. Scenic Insurance may well issue the Green Card free and did so for me for Morocco this year, but they are the most expensive insurer that I've ever used and I only use them because I can get a Green Card.

 

I'd much rather be with my previous insurer and pay the £20 for a Green Card, I'd be quids in!

 

As for the border crossing, I drove from Croatia through the Neum Corridor and wasn't stopped. I was waved through at both ends.

 

Finally, if anyone has an accident in a country such as Bosnia and it turns out that they don't have insurance I think that there's a very good chance that their motorhome could be impounded. At least until they can satisfy the authorities that they can pay any costs that their accident has incurred.

 

So my advice to others is, don't do as I did, it's not worth the risk. I got away with it, but in retrospect I took a silly chance. It was early on a Sunday morning when it was quiet and I drove very carefully, but anything can happen and an accident could have cost me very dearly.

 

I won't be doing it again, I can get a Green Card now!

 

 

 

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Had Enough - 2014-04-27 6:59 PM

 

Just a couple of points. Scenic Insurance may well issue the Green Card free and did so for me for Morocco this year, but they are the most expensive insurer that I've ever used and I only use them because I can get a Green Card.

 

I'd much rather be with my previous insurer and pay the £20 for a Green Card, I'd be quids in!

 

Scenic may well be "the most expensive insurer" for you.....but in my case it's the absolute opposite. It's the cheapest. And as my insurance is up for renewal i can give current quotes;

 

Scenic £240.22

 

Comfort £300.60 (offers Green Card but is restricted....ie they won't cover for Albania)

 

Caravan Guard £257.50 minimum.....that's the figure they start at.

 

Saga £418.21 (don't issue Green Card but insist it's not necessary. I'd like to see them cross into Albania without one).

 

I'm confused by your comments though.

 

You say you "only use Scenic because you can get a Green Card" but "i''d much rather be with my previous insurer and pay the £20 for a Green Card". So why did you not stay with your previous insurer.....particularly as you say you "would be quids in" even after paying £20 for Green Card in addition to the premium?

 

 

 

 

Had Enough - 2014-04-27 6:59 PM

 

As for the border crossing, I drove from Croatia through the Neum Corridor and wasn't stopped. I was waved through at both ends.

 

Finally, if anyone has an accident in a country such as Bosnia and it turns out that they don't have insurance I think that there's a very good chance that their motorhome could be impounded. At least until they can satisfy the authorities that they can pay any costs that their accident has incurred.

 

So my advice to others is, don't do as I did, it's not worth the risk. I got away with it, but in retrospect I took a silly chance. It was early on a Sunday morning when it was quiet and I drove very carefully, but anything can happen and an accident could have cost me very dearly.

 

I won't be doing it again, I can get a Green Card now!

 

 

 

That most certainly wasn't the case when i drove that same road (re. Nuem corridor) last year as they were stopping every vehicle passing through and examining documentation.

 

As for driving in any country without insurance, then not only are you likely to have the vehicle seized, but you'd have to be pretty stupid or mad to even think about trying it. Exactly the same would apply here in the UK when the Police find anyone driving without insurance they will immediately seize the vehicle.

 

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Bulletguy - 2014-04-28 4:07 PM

 

Scenic £240.22

 

 

Scenic must be mind readers as i've just had a phone call from them to see what i thought about the renewal quote they had sent through.

 

They reduced the figure to £239.77 and increased European cover to nine months.

 

 

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Bulletguy - 2014-04-28 4:07 PM

 

 

I'm confused by your comments though.

 

You say you "only use Scenic because you can get a Green Card" but "i''d much rather be with my previous insurer and pay the £20 for a Green Card". So why did you not stay with your previous insurer.....particularly as you say you "would be quids in" even after paying £20 for Green Card in addition to the premium?

 

I thought that would have been implicit in my post. The reason I didn't stay with my last insurer is because, like many UK firms, they wouldn't issue a Green Card and I wanted one for Morocco and later for Bosnia and other countries where it's impossible to get a Green Card from certain UK insurers.

 

I searched around and Scenic was one of the ones which would cover me but it was much more expensive and much more than you're paying.

 

That doesn't surprise me though as insurers work on very different criteria. The value of the 'van, age of the driver, previous accidents (I have one minor one) can mean two different people getting very diferent quotes.

 

As an example Aviva offers my best deal for my home and car but for my daughter who is two miles away in a different postcode Aviva isn't in the ball park. Go figure!

 

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Had Enough - 2014-04-29 2:39 PM

 

I thought that would have been implicit in my post. The reason I didn't stay with my last insurer is because, like many UK firms, they wouldn't issue a Green Card and I wanted one for Morocco and later for Bosnia and other countries where it's impossible to get a Green Card from certain UK insurers.

 

I searched around and Scenic was one of the ones which would cover me but it was much more expensive and much more than you're paying.

 

 

No it wasn't because you said you would "much rather be with my previous insurer and pay the £20 for a Green Card, I'd be quids in," giving me reason to believe your previous insurer could supply a Green Card (for an extra payment of £20)....hence the reason i questioned why you didn't stay with them and chose to move to Scenic, particularly as your previous insurer was so much cheaper.

 

 

 

Had Enough - 2014-04-29 2:39 PM

 

That doesn't surprise me though as insurers work on very different criteria. The value of the 'van, age of the driver, previous accidents (I have one minor one) can mean two different people getting very diferent quotes.

 

As an example Aviva offers my best deal for my home and car but for my daughter who is two miles away in a different postcode Aviva isn't in the ball park. Go figure!

 

 

Unfortunately insurance is very much a 'postcode lottery' and i know they base much on what is deemed a high risk area or low risk. I live in a village eight miles away from the nearest town and even that is only a very small town. In fact during this phone call yesterday with the guy from Scenic he was telling me there are certain areas which Scenic won't even insure a MH.

 

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Bulletguy - 2014-04-28 4:07 PM............................That most certainly wasn't the case when i drove that same road (re. Nuem corridor) last year as they were stopping every vehicle passing through and examining documentation.......................

In which case, I'd guess that now Croatia has formally joined the EU, they have to police the Bosnian border as an EU Border. It was the Slovenian - Croatian border crossing that was slow when we went, as that was where we left the EU. Times change!

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Brian Kirby - 2014-05-01 4:49 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2014-04-28 4:07 PM............................That most certainly wasn't the case when i drove that same road (re. Nuem corridor) last year as they were stopping every vehicle passing through and examining documentation.......................

In which case, I'd guess that now Croatia has formally joined the EU, they have to police the Bosnian border as an EU Border. It was the Slovenian - Croatian border crossing that was slow when we went, as that was where we left the EU. Times change!

 

 

Crossing any border as most of us have experienced, time taken to get through depends on hour of day and whether in or out of season, but those driving through apparently unhindered is unusual to say the least. I certainly would never chance it at any border and personally i cannot think of one i have crossed without being asked to produce relative documents, apart from Schengen where of course they no longer exist.

 

Even returning back into the UK means documentation checks at the Border Control.

 

 

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Not sure if we are at cross purposes or not, Paul, but when we went to Croatia in 2008, I had originally intended to use the little Ploce to Trpanj ferry. In the event, we couldn’t use the ferry because of the strength of the Bora, so decided to see if we could get insurance for Bosnia at the Neum corridor, instead of waiting however long for the Bora to blow itself out.

 

All road borders I had experienced before then (EEC/EU state borders excepted), had always comprised customs and emigration checks to exit one state, a short "no man's land", and then customs and immigration checks to enter the next state.

 

At the Bosnian border for the Neum corridor in 2008, I stopped before the first checks and walked up to the Croatian border offices, which were deserted. There was just one border guard on duty who, at the time, I took to be Croatian. Nice smiley chap - spoke virtually no English - who looked cursorily at our passports, ignored my protestations that we had no insurance, and energetically waved us through saying "no problem, you come". So I drove on, expecting shortly to come to the Bosnian customs and immigration checks, to see if I could buy at least temporary third party insurance there. By the time we'd reached Neum itself, the penny had dropped - there was no separate Bosnian check! So, by now being half way through, and the distance either way being equal, we continued to the Croatian border for Dubrovnik, where another smiley guard looked at the passports, just said "English", and waved us through.

 

It was by far the oddest border crossing I had ever encountered, but that was how we came to traverse the Neum corridor, it seems along with many other Brits (including Frank, and Andy Stothert :-)), all uninsured, by happenstance. The Bora had subsided by the time we returned, so we reverted to plan A and took the ferry, which was actually quite a pleasant experience.

 

So, from what you say about your experience last year at the Neum corridor borders, it would seem the situation has indeed changed substantially since Croatia joined the EU, compared to that Frank and I experienced before they joined.

 

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Brian Kirby - 2014-05-04 11:49 AM

 

Not sure if we are at cross purposes or not, Paul, but when we went to Croatia in 2008, I had originally intended to use the little Ploce to Trpanj ferry. In the event, we couldn’t use the ferry because of the strength of the Bora, so decided to see if we could get insurance for Bosnia at the Neum corridor, instead of waiting however long for the Bora to blow itself out.

 

All road borders I had experienced before then (EEC/EU state borders excepted), had always comprised customs and emigration checks to exit one state, a short "no man's land", and then customs and immigration checks to enter the next state.

 

At the Bosnian border for the Neum corridor in 2008, I stopped before the first checks and walked up to the Croatian border offices, which were deserted. There was just one border guard on duty who, at the time, I took to be Croatian. Nice smiley chap - spoke virtually no English - who looked cursorily at our passports, ignored my protestations that we had no insurance, and energetically waved us through saying "no problem, you come". So I drove on, expecting shortly to come to the Bosnian customs and immigration checks, to see if I could buy at least temporary third party insurance there. By the time we'd reached Neum itself, the penny had dropped - there was no separate Bosnian check! So, by now being half way through, and the distance either way being equal, we continued to the Croatian border for Dubrovnik, where another smiley guard looked at the passports, just said "English", and waved us through.

 

It was by far the oddest border crossing I had ever encountered, but that was how we came to traverse the Neum corridor, it seems along with many other Brits (including Frank, and Andy Stothert :-)), all uninsured, by happenstance. The Bora had subsided by the time we returned, so we reverted to plan A and took the ferry, which was actually quite a pleasant experience.

 

So, from what you say about your experience last year at the Neum corridor borders, it would seem the situation has indeed changed substantially since Croatia joined the EU, compared to that Frank and I experienced before they joined.

 

In May 2012 we took the short ferry ride going down to Dubrovnik. After talking to other motorhomers who'd done it we decided to take a calculated risk and drive through the Neum Corridor for our return journey north.

 

Deliberately timing our trip for Sunday morning when it would be very quiet we approached the checkpoint and found one person on guard who just waved us through without stopping. We drove hyper-cautiously through the dump that is Neum and on leaving Bosnia were again waved through without stopping.

 

In retrospect I wouldn't do it again, and don't need to now as our latest insurer offers a Green Card, but as I said, we took a calculated risk and it paid off, as it did for you.

 

 

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Brian Kirby - 2014-05-04 11:49 AM

 

Not sure if we are at cross purposes or not, Paul, but when we went to Croatia in 2008, I had originally intended to use the little Ploce to Trpanj ferry. In the event, we couldn’t use the ferry because of the strength of the Bora, so decided to see if we could get insurance for Bosnia at the Neum corridor, instead of waiting however long for the Bora to blow itself out.

 

It was by far the oddest border crossing I had ever encountered, but that was how we came to traverse the Neum corridor, it seems along with many other Brits (including Frank, and Andy Stothert :-)), all uninsured, by happenstance. The Bora had subsided by the time we returned, so we reverted to plan A and took the ferry, which was actually quite a pleasant experience.

 

So, from what you say about your experience last year at the Neum corridor borders, it would seem the situation has indeed changed substantially since Croatia joined the EU, compared to that Frank and I experienced before they joined.

 

 

Maybe like all Border Controls they just have their 'off days' where they decide to wave the rule book and crack the whip. It is confusing to someone using it the first time and i remember when i was there, a woman jumped the queue and drove through (HR plated too so she should have known better!) but an angry border guard stopped her at the next point. She was still arguing with him as i left.

 

Entering Montenegro from Croatia was strange. Long queue of vehicles waiting to get through the Border Control, the weather was baking with absolutely zero shade, and everything moved extremely slow. After I got through, i breathed a sigh of relief just to get some cool air whipping through the van.........only to then come to a dead stop a mile down the road at a second Border Control where they checked Passports. Quite why the need for two separate Controls i've no idea. Typically i got stuck behind a Russian plated car driven by a young guy on his own and they decided to search his vehicle. All this palaver put another couple of hours on that days journey.

 

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Just thought I'd let people know that yesterday we drove through the neum corridor, massive long queue of lorries waiting but at regular intervals they stopped the traffic coming back through and beckoned on everything else round the outside of the lorries. A cursory look at the passports and no interest whatsoever in the green card I had clutched in my hot little hand. Mind no doubt if I hadn't had this they would have asked for it, sods law and all that.
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