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BEST QUOTE OF ANY ERA!

 

"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,

 

 

public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be

 

 

tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be

 

 

curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt.

 

 

People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."

 

Cicero, 55 BC

 

 

So, evidently we've learned bugger all over the past 2,069 years.

 

 

 

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Peter James - 2014-06-01 3:25 PM

 

Nice Story, but I'm afraid that quote is much younger;

 

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/cicero.asp

 

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero#Misattributed

 

It matters naught Peter how old the quote is or who it was by ;-)..................the fact remains, it pretty much describes the state of the EU and the UK *-)...................

 

 

 

 

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Peter James - 2014-06-01 3:25 PM

 

Nice Story, but I'm afraid that quote is much younger;

 

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/cicero.asp

 

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero#Misattributed

 

It matters naught Peter how old the quote is or who it was by ;-)..................the fact remains, it pretty much describes the state of the EU and the UK *-)...................

But surely Dave, Peter's right (for once!) and the 'quote' loses all relevance once exposed for being divorced from its 'historic' context and being revealed as the fiction that it so obviously is!

 

Colin.

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pelmetman - 2014-06-01 5:46 PM

 

Peter James - 2014-06-01 3:25 PM

 

Nice Story, but I'm afraid that quote is much younger;

 

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/cicero.asp

 

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero#Misattributed

 

It matters naught Peter how old the quote is or who it was by ;-)..................the fact remains, it pretty much describes the state of the EU and the UK *-)...................

But surely Dave, Peter's right (for once!) and the 'quote' loses all relevance once exposed for being divorced from its 'historic' context and being revealed as the fiction that it so obviously is!

 

Colin.

 

Not at all Colin...........I care not whether the words were spouted by some ancient or not..............how many words cited by our leaders in grand speeches today, are the product of their own minds? *-).............No they speak the words of spin merchants :-| .................I reckon using the words of previous spin merchants against them is fair game :D..................

 

Which is why DC is afraid of taking on our Nige in a TV debate, especially since Cleggy got such a dicking (lol)

 

As the quote goes......"The word is mightier than the sword"........who by I've no idea......I guess I could google it :D.........

 

 

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You carry on living in your fantasy land, Dave, where Nigel Farage is going to cure all the nations ills by pulling the rug from under British industry by leaving the EU, plus a lot more looney ideas for who knows what. He doesn't even know himself yet. He's only cultivating all the inbuilt prejudices of the uneducated people of this country and they are all falling for it. After all he's just the same as Cameron and Clegg, a public school boy who's trying to hoodwink people by drinking pints of beer talking like a barrow boy.

And who's helping him pay for it all?. We are, through the EU. What a hypocrite.

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From my perspective Peter its those who want preserve the status quo that are doing the country a disservice :-| .................

 

The majority on here are immune from the affects of mass migration, as they're usually comfortably off and already drawing their pensions, so they need not fear losing their job to someone who's prepared to live 10 to a room and work for peanuts *-)...........

 

Do you think your views are representative of your fellow Bostonian's? ;-)...................

 

 

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pelmetman - 2014-06-01 6:52 PM

As the quote goes......"The word is mightier than the sword"........who by I've no idea......I guess I could google it :D.........

 

You can't get away with that misquote Dave! It is the 'PEN' that is:"Mightier than the sword"

 

See here:-

'The pen is mightier than the sword' was coined by Edward Bulwer-Lytton in for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy, 1839:

True, This! -

Beneath the rule of men entirely great,

The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold

The arch-enchanters wand! - itself a nothing! -

But taking sorcery from the master-hand

To paralyse the Caesars, and to strike

The loud earth breathless! - Take away the sword -

States can be saved without it!

 

Interesting that it comes from a play about Richelieu, he was an arch- intrigue-merchant, 'spin-meister', if you like, at the court of Louis XIV, nothing new under the sun -- as you said earlier, Dave! " What goes around, comes around" as they say!

 

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peter - 2014-06-01 10:17 PM

Nigel Farage is going to cure all the nations ills by pulling the rug from under British industry by leaving the EU, plus a lot more looney ideas for who knows what. He doesn't even know himself yet. He's only cultivating all the inbuilt prejudices of the uneducated people of this country and they are all falling for it. After all he's just the same as Cameron and Clegg, a public school boy who's trying to hoodwink people by drinking pints of beer talking like a barrow boy.

 

I couldn't have said better myself Peter, that just about sums him up!

 

Cheers,

 

Colin.

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pelmetman - 2014-06-01 6:52 PM

As the quote goes......"The word is mightier than the sword"........who by I've no idea......I guess I could google it :D.........

 

You can't get away with that misquote Dave! It is the 'PEN' that is:"Mightier than the sword"

 

 

Interesting that it comes from a play about Richelieu, he was an arch- intrigue-merchant, 'spin-meister', if you like, at the court of Louis XIV, nothing new under the sun -- as you said earlier, Dave! " What goes around, comes around" as they say!

 

I didn't think it looked right when I typed it :D...................

 

As for Richelieu I understand he was a nasty piece of work, but then again he was a Cardinal so what else can you expect (lol)..................although he did leave behind a very pleasant walled town ;-)...........

 

 

 

 

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peter - 2014-06-01 10:17 PMYou carry on living in your fantasy land, Dave, where Nigel Farage is going to cure all the nations ills by pulling the rug from under British industry by leaving the EU, plus a lot more looney ideas for who knows what. He doesn't even know himself yet. He's only cultivating all the inbuilt prejudices of the uneducated people of this country and they are all falling for it. After all he's just the same as Cameron and Clegg, a public school boy who's trying to hoodwink people by drinking pints of beer talking like a barrow boy.And who's helping him pay for it all?. We are, through the EU. What a hypocrite.

 

So anyone concerned about the rapid, unsustainable in so many ways, expansion of the population of this country and all the problems it brings with it is uneducated are they?  Add to that you wrote that those concerned are prejudiced and your comment comes across as something rather unpleasant.

 

The current 'crop' of professional politicians/commentators etc were referring not so long ago to a  proportion of the population as bigots/racists etc if they dared to voice concern over the diverse and widespread problems facing the country because of the high levels of immigration.  However now they all agree it 'is' a problem and it is talked about widely.  Strange isn't it how they have all become 'bigots/racists' themselves now but that's OK because it seems is 'they' who decide what is and isn't bigotry or racism in the world of politics.

 

If nothing else Farage/UKIP has brought the once 'forbidden' topic into the public forum and for that alone he/UKIP should be thanked.

 

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Problem is, of course, that Britain isn't really in the EU because we don't have the EU currency, and the British Government ignores EU law when it suits them as they did in their illegal invasion of Iraq.

There are good reasons to join the EU.

There are god reasons to leave the EU.

But the current policy of hanging half in and half out is getting us the worst of both worlds.

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Sorry Roger, I would never normally quote Tony Blair on anything -- particularly if reported by the Daily Mail -- but he's got it 'spot on' this time...................I think that he read Peters 'post' on here!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646006/Blair-accuses-Nigel-Farage-stigmatising-foreigners-win-angry-white-working-class-voters.html?ITO=

 

Cheers,

 

Colin. :-D

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It's noticeable that the media campaign against Nigel Farage has come from people who have been largely unaffected by mass immigration ( except possibly they now employ cheaper nannies )

 

..............and doubt very much if Tony Blairs wages have been reduced.

 

:-D

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malc d - 2014-06-02 4:28 PM

 

It's noticeable that the media campaign against Nigel Farage has come from people who have been largely unaffected by mass immigration ( except possibly they now employ cheaper nannies )

 

:-D

 

and many who have been affected. Mass immigration has driven down working class wages and driven up property prices. Both of which seem to suit the British Establishment.

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Sorry Roger, I would never normally quote Tony Blair on anything -- particularly if reported by the Daily Mail -- but he's got it 'spot on' this time...................I think that he read Peters 'post' on here!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646006/Blair-accuses-Nigel-Farage-stigmatising-foreigners-win-angry-white-working-class-voters.html?ITO=

 

Cheers,

 

Colin. :-D

 

Crikey quoting from the Daily Mail Colin............and Tony Blair to boot 8-)............you Europhiles must be getting desperate :D.............

 

Nice to see Two Faced Tony admitting he doesn't give a dam about the working classes..........good old New Labour >:-)...........

 

 

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Symbol Owner - 2014-06-02 3:32 PMSorry Roger, I would never normally quote Tony Blair on anything -- particularly if reported by the Daily Mail -- but he's got it 'spot on' this time...................I think that he read Peters 'post' on here!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646006/Blair-accuses-Nigel-Farage-stigmatising-foreigners-win-angry-white-working-class-voters.html?ITO=Cheers,Colin. :-D

 

B'liar accusing Farage of deception?   That's rich coming from the master of deception.........

 

I apologise for the lengthy reply but in response to the quote from B'liar....the most self serving, self interested, money grabbing PM this country has ever seen in recent history I feel it needs to be clarified.  In essence B'liar buggered up this country with mass cheap immigration to serve his own ends and to hell with the consequences.  B'liar presided over Labour's admitted immigration policy whereby they actively, yes Labour proactively encouraged Eastern Europens to come to the UK.

 

The following extracts come from Migration Watch web site:

Labour government’s own survey showed that 77 per cent of the public wanted immigration reduced, including 54 per cent of the ethnic communities, while 50 per cent of the public wanted it reduced ‘by a lot’.

 

Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away. Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the  deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn’t its main purpose - to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.

 

The result is now plain for all to see. Even Blair’s favourite think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), commented recently: ‘It is no exaggeration to say that immigration under New Labour has changed the face of the country.’

It is not hard to see why Labour’s own apparatchiks supported the policy. Provided that the white working class didn’t cotton on, there were votes in it.

Research into voting patterns conducted for the Electoral Commission after the 2005 general election found that 80 per cent of Caribbean and African voters had voted Labour, while only about 3 per cent had voted Conservative and roughly 8 per cent for the Liberal Democrats.

There were also economic factors. A collection of essays published recently by the IPPR underlined the role of Gordon Brown’s Treasury in this affair. A high level of immigration made economic growth look better and helped keep wages and, therefore, inflation down.

Others, too, saw economic benefits for themselves. The employers’ organisations kept their heads down, but there is little doubt that they were privately encouraging a supply of cheap labour which was good for profits, whatever its impact on society.

Then there were those members of the middle classes who found it convenient to have cheap exotic restaurants and even cheaper domestic help, but were blind to the wider consequences of this population inflow which were, of course, felt in the poorer neighbourhoods.

Another major factor was the attitude of the BBC and, in particular, its devotion to multiculturalism. For years it avoided discussing immigration if it possibly could.

Although in the autumn of 2005 official statistics for the previous year showed an increase of 50 per cent in net immigration, there was no mention of this on the BBC. Its own report into impartiality, published in June 2007, concluded that its coverage of immigration amounted to bias by omission.

Last December the corporation’s director-general admitted: ‘There are some areas, immigration, business and Europe, where the BBC has historically been rather weak and rather nervous about letting that entire debate happen.’ Indeed so. 

The overall effect was to deter any serious discussion of immigration and to give plenty of space to the Left to accuse anyone who raised the subject of being a covert racist. On this matter the BBC failed to meet its own standards of objectivity.

How about Labour’s competence in government? A succession of six home secretaries and eight ministers of immigration was a testament to their utter failure to focus on a subject of crucial importance to Britain’s future. 

Labour ministers had no sooner grasped the elements of the problem than they were moved to a new post. Government policy was that immigration was good for the economy, so why make difficulties about it?

The first Labour Home  Secretary even to inquire about the numbers was  Jacqui Smith. But she, too, was gone in the twinkling of an eye.

The reality is there was no government focus on the scale of immigration and no serious effort made to reduce it.

In the end, Labour paid the price.

Anger over mass immigration was a major reason why so many of Labour’s working-class supporters did not vote at the last election.

They were not alone in their verdict. An intriguing opinion survey found that, when the public were asked what they regarded as the greatest failures of Tony Blair’s time as Prime Minister, 62 per cent pointed to the fact that immigration had reached unacceptable levels — even more than the 56 per cent who chose the invasion of Iraq.

Blair himself shows no remorse. His memoirs, which run to 690 pages, contain only one page on immigration.

 

 

In addition The Dark Prince' Mandelson said:

The previous Labour government sent out “search parties” to get immigrants to come work in the UK, Lord Mandelson has let slip.

Speaking at a Progress conference over the weekend, the former top Labour minister said: “In 2004 when as a Labour government, we were not only welcoming people to come into this country to work, we were sending out search parties for people and encouraging them, in some cases, to take up work in this country.

“The problem has grown during the period of economic stagnation over the last five, six years.”

Due to the surge of new arrivals, Lord Mandelson said that the UK nearly became a “full employment economy”, but admitted: “‘The situation is different obviously now.”

“We have to just realise… entry to the labour market of many people of non-British origin is hard for people who are finding it very difficult to find jobs, who find it hard to keep jobs.

So in closing there is no way in this world I would ever ever believe a single word B'liar has to say because whatever it refers to it will, as sure as eggs are eggs, be in some way based on self interest...................maybe he is looking to become the first President of the European Super State once Brussels obliterates country identities?  

 

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Crikey quoting from the Daily Mail Colin............and Tony Blair to boot 8-)............you Europhiles must be getting desperate :D.............

 

Where did I ever say that I was a Europhile Dave? I voted against our continued membership of the EEC (as it was then, I think) in the 1975 referendum ( on good Socialist principles) and would do so again, if 'call me Dave' gives me the chance! :D

 

Colin.

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pelmetman - 2014-06-02 5:28 PM

Crikey quoting from the Daily Mail Colin............and Tony Blair to boot 8-)............you Europhiles must be getting desperate :D.............

 

Where did I ever say that I was a Europhile Dave? I voted against our continued membership of the EEC (as it was then, I think) in the 1975 referendum ( on good Socialist principles) and would do so again, if 'call me Dave' gives me the chance! :D

 

Colin.

 

You need to vote UKIP then Colin ;-)...................As call me Dave will no doubt change his mind should he get back in :-| ............at least if Farage is successful he'll put himself out of a job :D.....

 

 

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peter - 2014-06-01 10:17 PMYou carry on living in your fantasy land, Dave, where Nigel Farage is going to cure all the nations ills by pulling the rug from under British industry by leaving the EU, plus a lot more looney ideas for who knows what. He doesn't even know himself yet. He's only cultivating all the inbuilt prejudices of the uneducated people of this country and they are all falling for it. After all he's just the same as Cameron and Clegg, a public school boy who's trying to hoodwink people by drinking pints of beer talking like a barrow boy.And who's helping him pay for it all?. We are, through the EU. What a hypocrite.
If nothing else Farage/UKIP has brought the once 'forbidden' topic into the public forum and for that alone he/UKIP should be thanked.

O/K Roger, thank him then. But don't expect rational forward thinking people to vote for the idiot. He's just like the Taliban, trying to take their people back to the dark ages. It can't be done. You can only progress and move with the times and prosper.
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peter - 2014-06-02 10:12 PM

 

He's just like the Taliban, trying to take their people back to the dark ages. It can't be done. You can only progress and move with the times and prosper.

 

Disagree Peter ;-)..................the EU is typical of a empire................run by the elite for the elite *-)...........

 

All empires fail eventually ................so let them fiddle with their expensis whilst we set fire to their grass roots :D..........

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The waste of tax payers money

 

Michael Jäger

 

Tax payers should not be forced to subsidize airlines that declare their in-flight meals as food exports. Nor should they have to finance economically absurd live cattle exports that are irreconcilable with animal welfare. Michael Jäger, Secretary General of the Tax Payers Association of Europe (TAE), gives his opinions on the CAP.

 

Valentin Zahrnt:

What do you think of the Common Agricultural Policy?

Michael Jäger:

As the watchdog of taxpayers, we strongly believe in market forces We need fewer wasteful subsidies and more efficiency.

VZ:

Do you think that this waste in agriculture has more general repercussions on how governments spend public money?

MJ:

The CAP is a symbol of irresponsible spending. It is important that, at last, we have transparency about who receives the subsidies. What we see is that the money goes to the wrong recipients. We are paying great sums to Lufthansa and large meat-producing companies.

VZ:

How does that affect public support for the EU?

MJ:

If the EU wants to be respected by its citizens, it has to change the CAP. A first step would be to better control to whom we pay subsidies. We should also introduce co-financing for all EU subsidies, so that member states pay a share of the costs. In the long run, we should do without most of the subsidies.

VZ:

So what do you do to promote such changes?

MJ:

One major activity for many years has been to advocate better transparency and control of subsidies but that is not all. For instance, we have fought together with animal welfare groups for more than 10 years, to bring an end to export subsidies for live cattle. Shipping living cattle causes much suffering for the animals and is a tremendous waste of money. Just as we worked together with animal welfare activists, we are open to cooperation with anybody who shares our objectives.

VZ:

The media occasionally reports on fraud, especially when it comes to export subsidies. Do you have any idea how widespread this problem is?

MJ:

The problem is serious but it is difficult to put numbers on it. Even more problematic than actual fraud are criteria that are too loose. The British Royal family is legally entitled to subsidies. In Denmark, somebody constructed a skiing slope on a hill though you cannot really ski there - and he got EU subsidies. We must have much stricter criteria about who can claim public money.

VZ:

A last question: the Court of Auditors has frequently condemned the CAP for poor program design and managerial weaknesses. What is your perception of their work?

MJ:

The auditors are doing an excellent job, not only at European but also at national level. But they can only present their findings, there is no follow-up. That is where the taxpayer associations come into play. As independent NGOs, we can go to the media and even bring legal cases against unlawful subsidy practices. That is our role: to create pressure for more efficient public spending.

 

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pelmetman - 2014-06-03 10:39 AM

 

peter - 2014-06-02 10:12 PM

 

He's just like the Taliban, trying to take their people back to the dark ages. It can't be done. You can only progress and move with the times and prosper.

 

Disagree Peter ;-)..................the EU is typical of a empire................run by the elite for the elite *-)...........

 

All empires fail eventually ................so let them fiddle with their expensis whilst we set fire to their grass roots :D..........

Whatever you say Dave. Here's another quote. "There's non so blind as those that will not see". :D
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Left wing, right wing, third way, UKIP, conviction politician, it never ends.

 

And never will.

 

Go with how you feel is my advice, I personally and professionally have always felt better off under a Conservative Government.

 

Europe?

 

I'll see how I feel, but for now it's pretty good good thanks.

 

Show me a man in the street who demonstrates solutions and or abilities to sway me and I'll listen, watch and learn.

 

Forum Politicians?

 

Get on the hustings and put your money where your mouth is.

 

Martyn.

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LordThornber - 2014-06-03 10:18 PM

 

Left wing, right wing, third way, UKIP, conviction politician, it never ends.

 

And never will.

 

Go with how you feel is my advice, I personally and professionally have always felt better off under a Conservative Government.

 

Europe?

 

I'll see how I feel, but for now it's pretty good good thanks.

 

Show me a man in the street who demonstrates solutions and or abilities to sway me and I'll listen, watch and learn.

 

Forum Politicians?

 

Get on the hustings and put your money where your mouth is.

 

Martyn.

 

Your Blue bias Martyn is I suspect the favorite colour of many forumites ;-)

 

The difference this time............. there is now at last an option for the voter rather than preserving the status quo B-)...............for decades the usual suspects have just handed the leadership baton between them *-)............

 

I'm not saying that UKIP has a cat in hell's chance of getting more than a few MP's.........but as they're taking votes from all three traditional parties, a hung parliament is looking the most likely outcome, and seeing as last time the Liberals were able to act as king maker..........next year it could be UKIP who hold the crown:D...................

 

 

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