Bill Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 What are the rules for carrying weapons in the commonly-visited EU countries (France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece)? How much mayhem are you allowed to inflict on somebody trying to break into your rig before you find yourself sharng a cell with Tony Martin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Bill, I'm sorry no one has replied all busy I suspect, Sorry I can't help you , not knowing the consiquences of what would happen in a foreing country. The only thing that I can add is we alway's have the WD40 open and ready in the door pocket & behind the drivers seat a torque rench. I don't know what would happen but I'll take my chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangothemadmonk Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I think the rules abroad arer the same as here and that is "you may use reasonable force to protect your life and property".... I personally carry a baseball bat in the MH. Good for when you are out in the open, playing baseball of course, but difficult to use when at close quarters. I then use or should I say would use it as a "prodder". If you break someones arms and legs, knees and elbows etc etc you had better have a good reason for inflicting those injuries. "He slipped and fell M'Lord," may be a no-go. What is reasonable force? I would suppose each persons view would be different. If a person came at me with a knife I would use all means at my dispossal to protect myself. If an unarmed person was trying to get in to my property I would try to detain the crim with "gentle" actions. At the end of the day its down to the individuals abilities. Its not always "wise" to stand your ground. Whats a bit of property worth? Is it worth your life....I think not. Just make sure you are insured and get a crime number and add yourself to the increasing statitics list. Johnny F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Very true to say not always wise to stand your ground. Immediate self defence OK but better not to get too involved. Remember that very much like here now, the criminal has his rights!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangothemadmonk Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 [QUOTE]Roy - 2006-09-17 5:35 PM Remember that very much like here now, the criminal has his rights!!![/QUOTE] I may be wrong but that doesn't sound right....The law is an ass, sir. The only right they should have is the right to remain silent and a right to go to jail, to go straight to jail and if they pass go do not get a bloody penny... Johny F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A W Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Generally speaking the laws and their application are a little more relaxed than the UK. By all means carry a baseball bat but just make sure somewhere in the van you have a ball to go with it.That will strengthen your argument for its possession considerably. CS gas is readily available in France.I cannot stress enough that if you decide to purchase some canisters(currently 9€ for a big one and a small handbag one)that you dispose of them safely before returning to the UK.English Police will have a serious sense of humour failure if you're caught with any.In the UK CS needs a section 1 Firearms license. There is a case for the purchase of CS for those travelling to Spain. Another perfectly legal alternative is a can of ladies hairspray.If this is sprayed into someone's eyes at close quarters it will render them blind for about a minute. Makes it sound as if we're all travelling around Europe "tooled up" which perhaps we are.!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Correct me if I am wrong . We seem to hear more about knock out gas attacks abroad than being broken into. I am not saying it does not happen. Perhaps the criminals choose to do this hoping not to hurt or fight with anyone. Rather than breaking in without the gas. The only reason I can think of is if they do use force and break in and have not rendered you unconcious first ,maybe the police over there are stricter than us . And they know that they would be put in prison for ABH. The other option of course is it is easier if the occupants are asleep knocked out ,no fight take what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbarnett Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 You need to carry two baseball bats, one to inflict sufficient injuries to the intruders to stop them and the other one to lay on the persons chest when the police arrive. Thus making the situation fair and just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hbarnett, NICE ONE ... I make you right . Isn't it funny but as you get older you can still see your self fending off the baddies... Reality is the mind is willing and the flesh is weak.. Best to be careful and alway's try to stick together on the road . Saftey in numbers and all that... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixters other half Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Try the psychological approach- have a sign translated in to the language of the country you intend to visit which reads, "Caution Free Range Scorpions in transit" and stick it on your door. Generally works especially, if you stick plasters all over yourself before you get out of the MH! VoH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingdragon Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Look at the self defence tools available for free sale from a French Sporting shop!! http://www.armurerie-girod.com/EN/cat_main.asp?7$26$1$0 I wouldn't want to break into a French MH! Simon >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelander Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ah - self defence - who needs it? We spent three weeks during that cold winter of we think 1999 - not a long time we know - travelling to Gibraltar and back on back roads. Never saw a motorway or a toll. Wild camped every night and scrounged water from garages when we needed to. Only woken twice at night in Spain. First by security guards and then by the police. Said we were parking on private land it being on an industrial estate. However, they let us stay the night no problem. We guess that our old battered VW1600 diesel van "snowcat" with blacked out windows by using dustbin liners just looked a bit scarey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I was taught a self defence move many years ago that will, if carried out properly, render an assaillant immobile if not unconscious. It is not recomended that you use this action unless you are certain of your abilities and if you do intend to ever use it then you need to practice the moves involved so that in a "fight or flight" situation you just do it without thinking about it. Speed is the most important part of this technique. Step 1/ hit the assaillant on the nose. Not with a fist as this could hurt you as much as him, use an open palm with hand upwards and hit him with the heel of your palm. Your aim should be to push his nose through the back of his head! Yes really! Step 2/ as the attacker reels back, blinded by the excrutiating pain in his face, you hit him just below his solar plexus, bottom of the chest top of thegut area. Again this needs to be your best ever punch. He will fold forwards completely winded. Step 3/ (Optional depending on how angry you are) As he bows forwards clamp your hands together behind his head and slam his face down onto your knee at the same time raisin your knee to meet him. Your assaillant is now in a bloody heap on the floor and you can call the police in safety. Step 4/ if he starts to get up before 5 minutes has passed you need to be a fast runner! Only ever use the above technique in self defence and only if you have practised to the point of being confident to use it. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madguy4 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Don't know if this is actually legal but i got a can of dog defence spray off ebay...it cost about £5.. and its about the same as Mace but it is technically desinged to temporally blind a large dog if your being attacked.....i actually tried it on my mate ( with his permision) and it does work...soon as i squirted it he was totally blinded for about 20 mins and just fell to the floor and couldnt move...so ideal if you get attacked....you can also get really small ones that look like a pen..ideal for your wives,girlfriends,daughters etc....for peice of mind.....you never know when they will get attacked buy a dog.....im sure you know what i mean...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 How do you spell paranoya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I think your version is close enough, if not totally accurate Clive. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Put a year on the photo then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Madguy - glad I'm not your friend! Wouldn't it have been better if he'd tried it out on you? Clive - judging by the tie and the 'rug' I'd say late 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolh Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 [QUOTE]Clive - 2007-01-21 5:47 PM Put a year on the photo then? [/QUOTE] 1985 or thereabouts :-D carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 [QUOTE]Clive - 2007-01-21 5:47 PM Put a year on the photo then? [/QUOTE] I say 1971. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Clive you are not the lost Kray triplet are you? LOL Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 No Pat, I reckon Clive is part of 'Da Management' team and his real name is Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Perhaps we should all get a 'Clive' aka 'Ron' as our very own self defense mechanism. Surely just one look from (or even at?) Clive would send any would be evil bu##ers running for cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Mel,s closest. January 14th 1966, the day of our wedding! Bruvers or the world you nite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bil h Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 There's very little worth doing in self defence in the confines of a vehicle other than if you're within arms length, then its two fingers in the eyes. As when we were training in the Marines. bil h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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