Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Well with 180 litres on board 'I'm alright Jack' and have never been so desperate for water as to take any from Keswick Rugby Club. I have sympathy for those with children, needing more water and having less carrying capacity. But if Keswick Rugby Club are too mean to let them have water I can only suggest they lock up their tap :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Lock the tap - to prevent thieves from stealing water you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 8:51 AM Lock the tap - to prevent thieves from stealing water you mean? Depends on how you define thieves Stuart. Some say all property is theft. Because if you go back far enough you come to a point where the king or whoever had the biggest army just took it, and handed some out to his hangers on. Its all been inherited from them. Which makes the army the most important thing to the richest people - because they have the most to lose. In Britain we have the highest military spending in Europe to preserve that status quo. The poor pay taxes to defend the assets of the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 8:21 AM ... I have sympathy for those with children, needing more water and having less carrying capacity. But if Keswick Rugby Club are too mean to let them have water I can only suggest they lock up their tap :-( ..well for those MHers who are short sighted enough to run out whilst "holidaying off-grid", then I suppose there are always options like this... http://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/promotion/buy-2-for-1-80/1000271550 http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=267832188 ..although personally, if I didn't have a list of established locations where I knew that I was allowed to take on water, then I'd probably be factoring in a cheap site/CL/CS every 3-4 days...;-) I often wonder how some of the "..water is free..it falls from the sky...property is theft!" types, would react if they got home one day to find some unannounced stranger filling his MH tanks from their garden tap and crowbarring up the manhole on their drive'... (lol) Before anyone posts how they have "offered" that .. the big difference is, they have "offered"..No on came and "took" without asking, did they.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Always he last word, always the excuse for being not really all that wrong after all. If you have children you need more water so it's OK to steal, historically there was a lot of theft so it's still OK to steal.......... Ours is not a third world country, there are always sources of water you can get hold of without resorting to the sort of "flexible morality" you are advocating, which will almost always boils down to being an opportunist thief at someone else's expense - in this case a rugby club and the members' subscriptions pay for the water you and people like you take. Freeloading is stealing and you bring shame on motorhomers as a whole by what you advocate. Stop making silly excuses. It's wrong and it' shameful. Don't do it, don't advocate it and don't make excuses for it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 pepe63 - 2014-08-13 9:21 AM I often wonder how some of the "..water is free..it falls from the sky...property is theft!" types, would react if they got home one day to find some unannounced stranger filling his MH tanks from their garden tap and crowbarring up the manhole on their drive'... (lol) A semi public place like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a private house. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 9:29 AM in this case a rugby club and the members' subscriptions pay for the water you and people like you take. I have already said I have never taken any water from there because I have never been that desperate. Do you read posts before replying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 9:29 AM historically there was a lot of theft so it's still OK to steal.......... . No I'm not saying that. Just that things are not as black and white as they teach you in the army to persuade you to fight for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 9:32 AM A semi public place like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a private house. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? Private property like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a public open-space. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? :-S Self-sufficient my a*se! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Robinhood - 2014-08-13 10:00 AM Peter James - 2014-08-13 9:32 AM A semi public place like a Rugby Club car park Private property like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a public open-space. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? :-S A public open space is not the same thing as I said a semi public place But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 9:32 AM pepe63 - 2014-08-13 9:21 AM I often wonder how some of the "..water is free..it falls from the sky...property is theft!" types, would react if they got home one day to find some unannounced stranger filling his MH tanks from their garden tap and crowbarring up the manhole on their drive'... (lol) A semi public place like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a private house. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? ..and THAT from the bloke who shoehorns in comments about "military spending" and "the Royals" etc, at any given opportunity ...?!? *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think there would be a lot less conflict in the world if everyone saw things as they are, in shades of grey, rather than in black and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 10:22 AM I think there would be a lot less conflict in the world if everyone saw things as they are, in shades of grey, rather than in black and white ....though there would probably be a lot less conflict in the world if everyone saw things that are black or white as they are, rather than in in shades of grey. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 pepe63 - 2014-08-13 10:20 AM Peter James - 2014-08-13 9:32 AM pepe63 - 2014-08-13 9:21 AM I often wonder how some of the "..water is free..it falls from the sky...property is theft!" types, would react if they got home one day to find some unannounced stranger filling his MH tanks from their garden tap and crowbarring up the manhole on their drive'... (lol) A semi public place like a Rugby Club car park is hardly the same thing as a private house. But I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? ..and THAT from the bloke who shoehorns in comments about "military spending" and "the Royals" etc, at any given opportunity ...?!? *-) You forgot rising house prices and nimbyism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 10:19 AM A public open space is not the same thing as I said a semi public place I never said they were the same (and the concept of a semi-public place seems to me to be similar to being 'a little pregnant' ) Do you read posts before replying? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 One of the things you have to accept about the internet and forrums is that because people think they are posting anonymously, or at least they think they are immune from consequences, they will sometimes behave in a shameless way and continue to do so. Maybe they don't want to admit they are wrong or they don't want to back down, or maybe they get some perverse pleasure out of continuing to provoke. But at any event there is no changing them, unless you know their mother and threaten to tell her about their behaviour, at which point maybe they do suddenly change their tune. I think the good guys have won the day on this thread and the bad guys, or rather the sole bad guy because the OP has shown good sense and withdrawn, have been shown that there is a majority view among motorhomers in favour of honesty and against stealing water from rugby clubs and other forms of freeloading, we can usefully give this thread a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 10:22 AM I think there would be a lot less conflict in the world if everyone saw things as they are, in shades of grey, rather than in black and white You mean like 50 shades of grey?................ I've just had a vision of naked bloke in a gas mask 8-)............... Aaaaaaaaaaaaagh 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 12:30 PM One of the things you have to accept about the internet and forrums is that because people think they are posting anonymously, or at least they think they are immune from consequences, they will sometimes behave in a shameless way and continue to do so. Maybe they don't want to admit they are wrong or they don't want to back down, or maybe they get some perverse pleasure out of continuing to provoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 12:30 PM One of the things you have to accept about the internet and forrums is that because people think they are posting anonymously, or at least they think they are immune from consequences, ........ One of the things you have to accept about those brainwashed by the military is they have been led to believe that whatever the problem, violence is the solution.....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-in-10-prisoners-is-a-former-soldier-new-research-reveals-7944479.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The worst are those brainwashed by the Socialist Worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 1:18 PM StuartO - 2014-08-13 12:30 PM One of the things you have to accept about the internet and forrums is that because people think they are posting anonymously, or at least they think they are immune from consequences, ........ One of the things you have to accept about those brainwashed by the military is they have been led to believe that whatever the problem, violence is the solution.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-in-10-prisoners-is-a-former-soldier-new-research-reveals-7944479.html What the chuffin' **** has that got to do with a thread about MHers who think it's okay to help themselves to standpipes on other folks' property....?! 8-) But," I suppose...."... Quote: Peter James- 13 August 2014 9:32 AM "..I suppose you have to introduce those sort of distortions to drive home your point? (..although God knows, what yours is...?). *-) You didn't get turned down by or drummed out of, the forces by any chance..? :-S Edit:crossed posts HE. I'm no royalist and I dare say I'm further "Left" than many on here but PJ's "views" do seem to have the naïve , overly simplistic(black and white?)ring of the "6th form common room" about them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Peter James - 2014-08-13 1:18 PM StuartO - 2014-08-13 12:30 PM One of the things you have to accept about the internet and forrums is that because people think they are posting anonymously, or at least they think they are immune from consequences, ........ One of the things you have to accept about those brainwashed by the military is they have been led to believe that whatever the problem, violence is the solution.....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-in-10-prisoners-is-a-former-soldier-new-research-reveals-7944479.html ....did I miss the bit where Stuart recommended that anyone running short of water should storm the nearest source and take it by force? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleyxphil Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Millers Field seems to have left this thread. I for one will miss the aire and Graham who ran it. Stupid decision to close it I bet local shops and restaurants don't agree. I will ring the number given to let them know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I hadn't heard of Millers Field when I first saw this thread but I have since been able to discover what and where it was. It sounds like a really handy place from a motorhomer's viewpoint - but of course a thorn in the side of the National Parks Authority, since it was set up without seeking their approval, so they reacted. The reason for refusing permission for the Aire appears to have been that the conspicous MHs on it could be seen from one (but only one) of the fells above Ambleside - from where presumably they would be very distant objects. There was a case a few years ago when a farmer wanted to do something on his land, not necessarily very conspicuous, but the planners blocked it - so he painted his barn in vivid colours instead, which did not require their permission and they couldn't prevent. His farm is in a conspicuous position right in the middle of the eyeline at Ruskin's View near Kikby Lonsdale, held to be "the fairest view in all England". The planners don't always win. Good luck with the phone call; I can't see them paying much attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter James Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 StuartO - 2014-08-13 7:20 PM Good luck with the phone call; I can't see them paying much attention. Well at least we agree on something ;-) Maybe if we all took the law into our own hands and set up camp where we like as the Romaqnys, or the French, people would, then they would have to take notice of us. The Suffragettes didn't get the vote for women by writing letters to the council *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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