jordano Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 could someone please give me a little help? i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality but there is one wire that is confusing me it is white and the diagram says it goes to the width lamp! does anyone know where and what this is google just says its a lamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is your side lights circuit. Presumably so a control unit can dim the DRLs when the side lights are switched on, and/or Headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsea Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 White is earth black is live put some on last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 jonsea - 2015-01-06 6:58 AM White is earth black is live put some on last week. John has already said he has a diagram stating it connects to the width lamp (side lights). Different manufacturers use different colour codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallii Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If your existing lights are canbus then the computer detects the change in load (sometimes) and throws up a light. H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Whilst on the topic of DRLs, can they be used instead of headlights in EU countries requiring headlights to be on at all times, anyone know? Re CAN side lights, it should not affect the CANbus if the connection is only used as a signal to the control unit. The extra load will be very small and negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Brambles - 2015-01-06 11:42 AM Whilst on the topic of DRLs, can they be used instead of headlights in EU countries requiring headlights to be on at all times, anyone know?... Best I can do is direct you to the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp and the AA’s touring tips country-by-country guide http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/countrybycountry.html I’ve not looked through the Lights section of all the countries listed on the AA webpage, but some countries that have a ‘lights on at all times’ rule certainly allow either dipped-headlamps or DRLs to be used (eg Switzerland), while others (apparently) insist that dipped-headlamps must be used (eg. Norway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 For the life of me I struggle to understand why anyone might want to fit these lights to any vehicle that is not required by law to be fitted with them, they are just one more thing to cause problems. You have a Fiat Ducato for God's sake, isn't that enough? AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The subject really does seem to polarise viewpoints. People either think they are the best thing since sliced bread and a major improvement to road safety, or think they are the work of the devil and have a negative effect on safety. Few seem to sit on the fence. One thing's for sure; if vehicle manufacturers cannot implement them correctly so that they do not dazzle, do not mask indicators and turn off/dim when they should, then the DIY retro-fitting of Chinese Ebay specials in random positions and at random angles is hardly likely to be the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Steve928 - 2015-01-06 11:44 AM jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? Who gives a Shix !! Why keep an EU 'mandarin' in a job ? I have fitted a set of DRL's (same type advertised in MMM and fitted to Autosleeper PVC's) My Ducato (2011/2012) used headlights as DRL's as standard, and i did'nt like them. I was able to program them OFF, so I did so. These are fitted low down, into the 'step' on the front of the X250. They don't dazzle folk (like the headlights did) and I am happy with them, It doesn't worry me one iota whether they have an EU sticker or not. With a bit of luck any EU control over our laws will finish, not long after May 2015. Cannot come soon enough. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Rayjsj - 2015-01-06 3:29 PM Steve928 - 2015-01-06 11:44 AM jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? Who gives a Shix !! Why keep an EU 'mandarin' in a job ? Evidently I do! What's a Shix anyway? You've never forgiven the EU for for lumbering you with a DPF have you? - although you told us all that you'd NEVER by a vehicle with a DPF and NEVER EVER buy another Fiat... but strangely now have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 jonsea - 2015-01-06 6:58 AM White is earth black is live put some on last week. That is the colour code the USA used to use on all of it's mains AC domestic equipment. Luckily green was still earth. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muswell Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Steve928 - 2015-01-06 3:41 PM Rayjsj - 2015-01-06 3:29 PM Steve928 - 2015-01-06 11:44 AM jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? Who gives a Shix !! Why keep an EU 'mandarin' in a job ? Evidently I do! Me too, it means it is unlikely to be dangerous.....like some e-bay LED GU10s for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Steve928 - 2015-01-06 3:41 PM Rayjsj - 2015-01-06 3:29 PM Steve928 - 2015-01-06 11:44 AM jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? Who gives a Shix !! Why keep an EU 'mandarin' in a job ? Evidently I do! What's a Shix anyway? You've never forgiven the EU for for lumbering you with a DPF have you? - although you told us all that you'd NEVER by a vehicle with a DPF and NEVER EVER buy another Fiat... but strangely now have both. a 'Shix' is slang for a non-jewish person,as decribed by a jew. (no,not really (lol) ) using the 'T' might be enough to get the whole thread pulled, we wouldn't want that would we ? You are right of course, I DO hate the DPF and all the other useless extra weight that is under the Bonnet, contributing NOTHING to reliability or Performance. Actually my last Fiat (pre X250) was quite reliable, more reliable (no Engine Checks for a start) than this one. But what real choice do we have ? We buy our vans on Layout and Useability for US, that is me, my wife who has mobility problems, and our two Labradors. I would have loved a Savannah on a Mercedes or a Renault master base, But they don't make them. So, we have what we have. all of Motorhoming is a Compromise surely ? Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joe90 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Add on DRLs, bling and nothing but bling.................... for the same sort of folk who in another age would have had La Cucaracha air horns.............for safety reasons of course, ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Thanks Derek for the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artheytrate Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Joe90 - 2015-01-06 5:11 PM Add on DRLs, bling and nothing but bling.................... for the same sort of folk who in another age would have had La Cucaracha air horns.............for safety reasons of course, ;-) I loved my La Cucaracha horn and my wolf whistle on my 3litre Granada in the seventies. John. 12V MUSICAL CAR AIR HORNS - RED - FOR CAR/BOAT/VAN/TRUCK DIXIE/LA CUCARACHA Ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joe90 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 3litre Granada, now your talking, Sweeney territory, I had a job at MIRA test driving them, couldn't afford one for some years later though on their wages, by which time it was one about 6 years old and the bottoms of the doors I discovered were full of newspaper and P38 . :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artheytrate Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I had both Joe 3000 GXL Granada and also 3000 Consul GT fantastic cars but as you say rot boxes. Then Later on I had the 2.8 Granada later model but not a patch on the older 3 litres. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Steve928 - 2015-01-06 11:44 AM jordano - 2015-01-05 11:36 PM i have bought a drl kit from China which is really good quality Has the manufacturer submitted them for testing and gained EU approval and applied the EU approval mark? This is, in fact, a fair question, not so much because EU approval guarantees marvellous quality but it should mean there’s a sporting chance that a DRL kit will work properly and the result will be legally compliant. As it’s well known that some DRL kits designed for retro-fitting to cars proved to be unsuitable for motorhomes, with the DRLs coming on when the motorhome on-board battery-charger was running, it would also make sense to try to confirm that a retrofit kit is ‘motorhome friendly’. I’m not advocating that the DRL kit advertised here should be purchased http://www.ledcom.co.uk/day_running_lights_kit_led_drl_for_x250_type_motorhomes but the information provided mentions the kit’s compatibility with solar and EHU charging and with CANbus vehicle electrical systems, and confirms that the DRLs dim when the vehicle’s lights are turned on. The fitting instructions seem to be comprehensive and clear too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The Ledcom units that Derek mentions are expensive but excellent I highly recommend them, put them on my last van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Derek Uzzell - 2015-01-07 9:23 AM and confirms that the DRLs dim when the vehicle’s lights are turned on. The fitting instructions seem to be comprehensive and clear too. This raises another point to which I do not know the answer............ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-Day-Running-Lights-Kit-DRL-Ford-Transit-Mk7-Van-and-Motorhome-Sept-2006-on-/251421646325?_trksid=p2054897.l4275 The above link shows aftermarket DRL available for the MK7 Ford Transit which fit very neatly in the front fog-light positions. The DRL come with the facility to detect when the side / head lights are switched on and then they reduce in brilliance. I think that a better arrangement would be for the DRL to switch off when the side / head lamps come on, but the kits I have seen do not do this. The potential problem here seems to be that as the DRL are in the fog-light position, the Police may well see them as being fog-lights when they are switched on and issue the driver with a (I think) £20 fixed fine. Has anyone any first hand experience of this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyhb Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 As they are from Ledcom you won't have a problem as they will be fully compliant and when dimmed they will not be bright enough to be mistaken for fog lights. If worried about it give Ledcom a ring they are a very helpful company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 spospe - 2015-01-07 11:11 AM ...The potential problem here seems to be that as the DRL are in the fog-light position, the Police may well see them as being fog-lights when they are switched on and issue the driver with a (I think) £20 fixed fine. Strictly speaking, there’s no such thing as the “fog-light position”. There are UK regulations relating to the position on a vehicle where fog-lights are allowed to be fitted and (presumably) where Ford fit fog-lights on a Transit Mk 7’s bumper complies with those regulations. There are also UK regulations relating to the position on a vehicle where DRLs can be fitted, and if there is an overlap between those rules and the fog-light rules so that either fog-lights or DRLs can legally be fitted in the bumper in the recesses Ford has provided for fog-lights, that will be OK. I don’t see this as being a problem police-wise as a casual inspection of a DRL - inactive, dimmed or at maximum output - should reveal that it’s not a fog-light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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