Black Forest.

[skottle]

Could anybody recommend any campsites in the Black Forest Germany for October. Or any other info on the area would be greatly appreciated.

[cmac]

Hi We met a German couple while we were in France last month, they live in a place called unterkirnach, and they were telling us they had a lot of snow last year from end of October so check the weather. They showed us picture of the area they live and it is a wonderful place. It was fascinating to listen to them describing the way they live. They have invited us over in 2007 and as they have a campsite at the back of them we may well call in.

[Don Madge]

[QUOTE]skottle - 2006-10-04 8:42 PM Could anybody recommend any campsites in the Black Forest Germany for October. Or any other info on the area would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE] Hi Skottle, This is a trip we did about this time last year, you might find some of the info useful. We started at Trier on the Mosel with three nights on the Messepark car park. We arrived after dark and when we saw all the vans we assumed it was the Stellplatz, in the morning we realised it was the Messepark which is free and it's right next door to the Stellplatz which charges ?5 per night, there were about fifty campers on the Messepark and about 30 on the Stellplatz. We were amazed at the number of campers about for the time of year. We pottered along the Mosel to Koblenz using the many Stellplatz in the area. Some were free and at two we paid Euro 6 per night. From Koblenz we moved down the Rhine to Bingen, we had one night at Oberwesel and two at Bacharach, both very pleasant places to watch the Rhine traffic, like the Mosel little had changed since we were last here ten years ago. We then moved on to tour the Odenwald slowly moving down the River Neckar from Heidelberg to Heilbronn. After that it was the turn of the Black Forest, it was nineteen years since we last toured the area. We had two nights at Oberkirch, two nights at Freiburg then across the river into France for a couple of nights at Chalampe. Then it was a quick trip into Switzerland for a look at the Rhine falls at Scaffhausen and then back into the Black Forest for two nights at Unterkirnach and one night at Buhl. The forested sides of the valleys are beautiful, full of autumn colours and so far the weather has been very kind to us. We spent a night at Bad Bergzabern before moving north on the Deutsche Weinstrasse then it was back back along the Rhine and Mosel to Trier. For those who are not familiar with the German Stellplatz here are a few personal observations on the ones we have used so far on this trip. We used the ADAC (German AA) Stellplatz Guide, the 2005 edition (ISBN 3-89905-213-7) cost us Euro 12.90 from the ADAC office in Freiburg. Stellplatz are found in many cities/towns/villages and come in all shapes and sizes (4 to 200 pitches). They can be found in town/village car parks with Motorhome designated parking bays, swimming pool/sport centre car parks, specially built landscaped areas usually maintained by the local authority, on river bank and quayside car parks, attached to and sometimes even inside campsites. They can also be found at restaurants where it's obligatory to eat in the restaurant. We have also come across them attached to the Wine Caves but have never stayed the night. This is a few examples of where Stellplatz can be found. After talking to the locals I'm led to believe that there are now 2000+ Stellplatz available in Germany with more opening each month. We found three new ones that were not listed in the 2005 guide. We never came across any indications of length of stay restrictions. Cost vary from place to place, expect to pay more in the popular tourist areas. On this trip so far we have paid Euro 50 for 23 nights. The most we paid was Euro 7 for the night at the Rhine Falls. The average for the areas we visited was Euro5 per night. Out of the 23 night stops we have had so far 13 were free. Many night fees are collected by machine and the ones we encountered only took coins. So if you are planning to use the Stellplatz make sure you have a ready supply of one and two Euro coins and 50 cent pieces for the electricity box. Some sites require you to visit the tourist office or Rathaus (Town Hall/Council Office) Facilities also varied considerably, many had a service point (named Sani Station & Holiday Clean) or directions to the nearest one. Charges were usually one or two Euros for fresh water (80 to 120 litres), emptying toilet and waste tanks. On many sites we used a 8+ metre motorhome would have problems trying to dump waste. Unlike France we have yet to come across an unserviceable Sani Station/Holiday Clean. Electricity is available on some sites, usually metered. The only one we used cost 50 Euro cents for 1 Kilowatt. The Stellplatz at Unterkirnach was Euro6 per night which included electricity and free use of the Sani Station, a very good bargain, on the 1 & 2 November the Stellplatz was full (14) places. Just some observations that some one might find useful. Mosel. We toured both banks of the river between Trier and Koblenz in glorious sunshine (well most of the time), there are many Stellplatz on either bank, almost every other village has one. We found the Sani stations were not so frequent. If you have a 8+ metre van you might find it difficult emptying waste tanks. In one or two places it was fairly tight with the Timberland. The popular places like Cochem and Bernkastel Kues we found were very crowded and the Stellplatz in both towns were small, sloping and close to the main road. We tended to use the ones in the smaller quieter villages. Rhine. We also toured both banks of the Rhine between Koblenz and Rudishiem. The road on the west bank (road 9) has more stopping places than road 42 on the east bank. There are a few small ferries that connect either bank, we paid Euro5 for the Timberland plus two passengers for a single crossing. One the west bank we only found two sani stations, at Bacharach and Bingen and we did not spot one one the east bank. We checked the camp site at Oberwesel and they were offering overnight parking only for Euro 6, Euro 2 for water and dumping and if you wished to use the site facilities there was an extra charge (Euro4 per person) I believe other sites in the area were offering similar services. Luxembourg If you plan an overnight stop in Luxembourg the Aire de Capellen is an ideal location, they are situated between junctions 1 & 2 either side of the A4/E25 motorway as you enter Luxembourg from Belgium. The area on the north side is laid out better for overnight parking than the south side. On both areas if you keep to the far right as you approach the fuel pumps you can refuel the vehicle and your LPG tank at almost the same spot. On the 11th November we paid 89 Euro cents for a litre of diesel this was down 4.5 cents from the previous month (14 Oct). Dunkirk We used Norfolk Line for the first time and stayed overnight both ways in the car park at the front of the terminal building. No problems at all, you're well away from the trucks and there was minimal noise from the ferries. If you are looking for an overnight stop away from the port area there is an ideal spot 40 miles from the port situated just off junction 10 on the A25 (direction Lille) motorway. It's a Leclerc Hypermarket with a large parking area. We paid 99 cents for a litre of diesel on the 11th Nov. Safe travelling Don

[robin]

Don't know about campsites, but there are plenty of Stellplatz in the Black Forest. Don has given some pointers where to find them. We have been there in October and it was beautiful when the sun shone (one day) and quite depressing when it rained (the rest of the time). If you get snow, it would be great - we had snow on the other side of the Rhine in the French Vosges in October - absolutely beautiful as the first falls of the year - the roads were cleared pretty quickly too. :-)

[mikethebike]

Don Slight change of subject, but can you tell me if the ferry from Rudesheim to Bingen carries motorhomes and caravans. My sister in her caravan and myself in our motorhome are staying at Rudesheim for a few days then carrying on down to Lake Titisee next year and wondered if the ferry was a viable option.

[Don Madge]

[QUOTE]mikethebike - 2006-10-05 1:21 PM Don Slight change of subject, but can you tell me if the ferry from Rudesheim to Bingen carries motorhomes and caravans. My sister in her caravan and myself in our motorhome are staying at Rudesheim for a few days then carrying on down to Lake Titisee next year and wondered if the ferry was a viable option.[/QUOTE] Mike, This is the timetable http://www.bingen-ruedesheimer.com/rheinfaehren/ for the car ferry and the pedestrian ferry, you should be OK with your van but it might be a bit tight if the car/caravan is a large outfit. Don

[mikethebike]

Thank you for the information I knew I could rely on you. Unfortunately my sister has a large double axle outfit so we may have to go the long way round.

[Basil]

No you won't have to I have taken a large twin axle caravan 5.75metres (living area) 6.1 including the towbar plus both Rover SD1 and Peugeot 406 estate towcars over on the Bingen Ruddeshiem ferry, I have also crossed with the Motorhome at around 7metres on the same ferry as two coaches and a couple of lorries as well as cars, last year. Bas.

[skottle]

Thanks very much for all the information. Very much appreciated.

[mikethebike]

Thanks Basil. aint it wonderful the information that is freely available on sites like this