RogerC Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Having just returned from touring New Zealand for 6 weeks in a MH it is clearly apparent that here in the UK we have a motorhome/caravan population that is in the main in love with it's pooches but has a large irresponsible element within it's numbers. During our 6 weeks in NZ we stayed on paid for sites, Department of Conservation sites and freedom camping areas so we experienced the whole range of stopping places. (NZ is extremely motorhome and caravan friendly.......UK Government and councils please take note). Having returned and turned our minds towards where to go with our MH one thing that sprung to mind was that motorhome touring was so much more relaxing in NZ not just because of the vast selection of sites and the accepted freedom but because in the whole six weeks we never once had to endure yapping barking pooches. People over there just seem to consider other holiday makers and keep their pooches under control. In the UK we have had dogs running loose on site pi55ing on our wheels/awning support legs etc, yapping/barking at all hours (dawn chorous or night time howling at the moon), owners calling to 'Rover' at stupid hours of the morning (strange because if kept on a lead this shouldn't happen). It really is not pleasant. Having 'scanned' other threads I find it amazing and not a little 'blinkered' on the part of those who take their dogs with them and then 'with no problems' (so say the owners who are not around to listen to the barking problem) leave them in the MH/caravan when they go out for a while, be it an hour or so or a few hours. Yes your lovable pooch is all waggy tail and the MH/caravan is in one piece and not burgled so everything is fine isn't it? Stangely it's not. Might I just plant a seed of thought towards considerate behaviour for those who have a penchant for doing this.............your loveable pooch is happy to see you on your return but in the intervening period it had yelped/barked/howled and generally pi55ed off all and sundry from the time you went out of sight to the time you were seen again. I have suffered this irritating lack of consideration on many occasions and without fail I report the offending dogs home to the warders sorry site wardens. Some take notice and will take action whilst others are too much of a wimp to do anything. So please all you 'pooch' owners please consider those who like to have a relaxing time on site whilst you go off doing whatever it is you do and either leave your little darling at home or take it out with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcloser Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 There are dog free camp sites aren't there so you could try them then at least you'll get some peace and so will the site wardens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Roger, it's a mighty brave man who dares to criticise the culture that is dog lovers especially on this forum. :D You should be aware that you will now be branded as an animal hater and parasite by the people who believe that anyone who doesn't worship a 4 legged creature is the devils spawn. You have my heartfelt sympathy for what you are about to receive and I wish you the a speedy recovery from the inevitable incoming attack. :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 capcloser - 2015-05-14 9:07 PMThere are dog free camp sites aren't there so you could try them then at least you'll get some peace and so will the site wardens! Cap........that is the sort of selfish me me me attitude that unfortunately pervades these days in the UK. I merely point out that there are inconsiderate dog owners out there that have no idea how their little pooch ruins others enjoyment of peace and quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 donna miller - 2015-05-14 9:23 PMRoger, it's a mighty brave man who dares to criticise the culture that is dog lovers especially on this forum. :D You should be aware that you will now be branded as an animal hater and parasite by the people who believe that anyone who doesn't worship a 4 legged creature is the devils spawn.You have my heartfelt sympathy for what you are about to receive and I wish you the a speedy recovery from the inevitable incoming attack. :D :D Hi Donna, Strangely (not) you are spot on. Two replies prior to yours and both have the expressed the selfish me me me sort of sentiment that I found totally absent amongst the MH/Caravan/camping fraternity in NZ. NZ proved to me it is possible to live and let live, to behave in a considerate responsible manner. Do you know some sites there have honesty boxes for people to pay their fees in the absence of an office or warden?........just fill in a registration form, pop your money in an envelope with your form and pop it in the box.......and yes they are used. So sites that have honesty boxes, no wardens and no control whatsoever apart from those staying there and there is harmony....people are considerate and get along. Yes consideration is alive and well and is exhibited by most of the MH etc fraternity in the UK. However the minority, who think ...or don't more likely spoil the experience for a great many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joe90 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 To imagine that the average dog owner could even imagine their beloved pooch yapping and c++++++g everywhere is a nuisance to others is like wishing for the moon, and the ones that may acknowledge it simply don't care about the filth and noise they inflict on others :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Curiously the same arguments being aimed at dog owners, could also be leveled at those folk with kids :D ......... Given the choice between pitching next to a van with kids or a van with dogs?......... Its a no brainer ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joe90 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Which kind of proves the point, can't acknowledge that just as some people see kids as a problem, you obviously, so others see dogs as a problem......................... curiously we were all kids once, perhaps the anti kids brigade forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave C Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 pelmetman - 2015-05-15 7:53 AM Curiously the same arguments being aimed at dog owners, could also be leveled at those folk with kids :D ......... Given the choice between pitching next to a van with kids or a van with dogs?......... Its a no brainer ;-) .......... Kids every time for me, generally they don't jump up at people and leave little piles of you-know-what everywhere. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dave C - 2015-05-15 10:32 AM pelmetman - 2015-05-15 7:53 AM Curiously the same arguments being aimed at dog owners, could also be leveled at those folk with kids :D ......... Given the choice between pitching next to a van with kids or a van with dogs?......... Its a no brainer ;-) .......... Kids every time for me, generally they don't jump up at people and leave little piles of you-know-what everywhere. Dave Never had a dog kick a ball against my camper or crash their bikes into it *-) ........... The sprog or dog debate has been done to death ...........fortunately there are campsites who ban dogs and kids so at least everyone should be happy somewhere :D ............ Lets talk about A frames, wilding or aires (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan MMM Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Thread has been moderated. Feel free to disagree, but don't let it involve personal abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dogs and kids behave to how they have been brought up in general ... A dog let loose to wander and crap , bark and attack generally has owners who don't give a fudge ... Kids that behave like little gits with no respect for anyone or anything generally have parents who don't give a fudge .... Blame the adults Decent parents and decent dog owners normally means for me no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Duncan MMM - 2015-05-15 1:39 PM Thread has been moderated. Feel free to disagree, but don't let it involve personal abuse. For those who might be interested my reasonable rebuke as a dog owner to a generalisation of lack of control by all dog owners has been removed. Who polices the police ? I wonder how long this reply will remain. John >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 teflon2 - 2015-05-15 8:10 PMDuncan MMM - 2015-05-15 1:39 PMThread has been moderated. Feel free to disagree, but don't let it involve personal abuse.For those who might be interested my reasonable rebuke as a dog owner to a generalisation of lack of control by all dog owners has been removed. Who polices the police ? I wonder how long this reply will remain. John >:-) John your 'rebuke' to me was totally unnecessary and as a dog owner you have obviously jumped in with both feet to be rude to me and defend that which needs no defence. My comments, should you care to re read them were aimed 'politely' at those who leave their yapp machines in their MH or caravan to irritate the hell out of those looking to kick back and relax and return thinking everything is OK. It was not aimed at 'all' dog owners as you seem to think it was. However your reply clearly illustrated the sensitivity of those defending their precious yapp/crap/pi55ing machines. Maybe if that sensitivity was directed towards all and sundry have to put up with the irresponsible behaviour of 'some' dog owners we would not need threads such as this. As I said if MH/caravanners etc in NZ can control their dogs why why why can owners here do the same? I reiterate 'it is not' in the least bit OK to leave your pooch unatended, to bark it's head off until your return. Please note I use the general 'your' and not specifically 'you'. I am please to see that having been away for just over two months there is a degree of moderation on the forum now. Hopefully it will put and end to the unnecessary abuse and rudeness from keyboard warriors. Thank you Duncan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcloser Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I simply pointed out that there's plenty of dog free camp sites you could go to so no need to be annoyed by Fido, also we are not allowed to leave dogs alone on sites indoors or not so I don't believe it happens as often as you suggest, maybe when your on holiday you look for things to be annoyed by met plenty of those types on my travels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 capcloser - 2015-05-16 11:39 AM ... maybe when your on holiday you look for things to be annoyed by met plenty of those types on my travels! I can't say I've ever met any?..but there again, we don't cart a dog(s) around with us... So maybe there's a degree of correlation there..? ;-) ..I do find it amusing when ever there's the slightest bit of criticism aimed at fido on here, the dog owners immediately circle their wagons and start spitting bile... Rarely do we hear them turn on the dog owners who are giving them all a bad name..No, it's always "..kids are worse....use dog free sites.." etc. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 capcloser - 2015-05-16 11:39 AMI simply pointed out that there's plenty of dog free camp sites you could go to so no need to be annoyed by Fido, also we are not allowed to leave dogs alone on sites indoors or not so I don't believe it happens as often as you suggest, maybe when your on holiday you look for things to be annoyed by met plenty of those types on my travels! Cap your reply clearly illustrates the selfishness of dog owners and a serious dose of assuming incorrectly.. Why should my choice of site be limited to 'dog free' sites when almost (if not all sites) have rules that dogs are allowed if 1: on a lead at all times when out of the MH or caravan, 2: that they are well behaved. Owners who let their dogs bark to the extent that it ruins others peaceful enjoyment are neither well behaved or under control. Attended or unattended incessant barking dogs are a bloody nuisance and obviously owned by those who are either selfish or just plain irresponsible. I am not talking about the occasional bark, that is inevitable. My concern is the irresponsible owner who lets their pooch bark and bark and bark uncontrollably or worse still left alone to annoy the heck out of everyone. As for assuming I 'maybe' one who looks for things to be annoyed about I can assure you that I am really quite patient. Possibly you don't mind paying for a pitch to be bombarded with yapping woofing etc but I, and I suspect a great many others do. After all most of us are no longer paid up members of the 18-30 club and do like a degree of peace and quiet during leisure breaks. All it takes is a little thought and consideration.............or is that too much to ask from the 'fido appreciation club'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcloser Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Hands up Roger I surrender sorry I was winding you up . I have a dog of course and I hope I am responsible and have also suffered the barking dog next door scenario and of course the angry owner when asked to put his dog on a lead! Perhaps us fido fans tune out the noise cos we've got used to it! Hope you enjoy your next trip in peace ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 capcloser - 2015-05-16 4:08 PMHands up Roger I surrender sorry I was winding you up . I have a dog of course and I hope I am responsible and have also suffered the barking dog next door scenario and of course the angry owner when asked to put his dog on a lead! Perhaps us fido fans tune out the noise cos we've got used to it! Hope you enjoy your next trip in peace ?? Hi Cap....that's the problem with forum posts.......humour aka 'windups' all too often loose their meaning when read by others. As I was told many years ago "What you write and your intent is not necessarily what others read and absorb". I think you hit the nail in your reply......pooch owners seem to tune out the irritation and the response you received is unfortunately all too common. Would that courtesy and consideration were as prevalent as selfishness and the me me me attitude in this country it would be a much nicer place for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Hey Cap, hows the self build going?............got any pic's? ;-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Who gives a toss about kids dogs ferrets whatever? Not us. Providing you don't interrupt our leisure time. If you do, well, I'll interrupt yours. See if you like it 8-) Bird seed on roof = joy. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 LordThornber - 2015-05-17 8:54 PM Who gives a toss about kids dogs ferrets whatever? Not us. Providing you don't interrupt our leisure time. If you do, well, I'll interrupt yours. See if you like it 8-) Bird seed on roof = joy. Martyn Oooer your Lordship is getting punchy 8-) ................ "Bird seed on roof = joy." I expect you have staff for that kinda thing? ;-) ........ :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcloser Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Self-build still happening Dave but still in the planning development and argument stage plus finances took a hit partner on sick for 4 months so only getting 80quid a week so had to tighten the belt a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 capcloser - 2015-05-17 10:17 PM Self-build still happening Dave but still in the planning development and argument stage plus finances took a hit partner on sick for 4 months so only getting 80quid a week so had to tighten the belt a bit! Well if you need to develop an argument ;-) ............You've come to the right place :D .......... Best of luck with the project B-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordThornber Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Certainly do Dave, standards have to be maintained :D :D Martyn (Trill bird food works well, Jeeves informs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.