Gas in Europe

[Derek Uzzell]

As this has come up again, below is a lightly rehashed version of a 10-year old forum posting...

 

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Regular inquiries on motorhome forums relate to obtaining gas supplies in the UK or abroad and the potential problems caused by non-standardisation. Motorhomes vary radically in size, design and the manner in which they are used, so it's seldom possible to provide a black-or-white answer as the gas arrangements that may be great for UK touring may be hopeless if your motorcaravanning is primarily in Europe or vice versa. (For convenience, I shall use the words "Europe" and "European" to relate to European countries outside the UK.)

 

The first (and perhaps most important) thing to bear in mind is that UK 'exchange-only' gas-bottles (such as Calor containers) are not exchangeable outside this country. So what can UK motorcaravanners do about gas during extended trips in Europe? There are several options.

 

A. Take as much UK gas as the 'van can carry and hope it lasts. This is a viable strategy if campsite 230V hook-ups are continuously used and all heating, cooking, refrigeration, lighting, etc. activities are arranged to use mains electricity. In such a scenario gas usage is essentially nil. Many UK campers can eke out small gas reserves for several months by regular employment of campsite hook-ups. This strategy won't suit a more-gypsy lifestyle though and, of course, if your UK gas-bottles do become empty (through usage or a fault), you won't be able to exchange them until you get back to the UK. Historically, UK-built 'vans have tended to be designed around Calor's 7kg/6kg bottle size. In such cases it's most unlikely that Calor's 13kg/15kg bottle can be used instead, but it may be possible to employ the slightly smaller containers available from alternative gas suppliers like Flogas. Using 2 x 11kg Flogas bottles instead of 2 x 6kg Calor canisters will almost double your gas reserves. (Information on UK gas-bottle dimensions and availability can be found in the Caravan Club handbook. This also contains a useful section on Calor bottle refilling in Ireland.)

 

B. Use Campingaz. The price of canisters varies considerably country to country, but it's generally poor value for money. The gas is butane (so unsuitable for really cold weather use) and the biggest bottle holds less than 3kg of gas. But Campingaz bottles are widely available in many European countries and in the UK.

 

C. Use 'autogas'. This is a mixture of propane and butane gasses, with the proportions varying from country to country. UK autogas is close to100% propane and is obtainable as vehicle fuel at many service stations. It's similarly available throughout Europe, though the number of supplying outlets in particular countries varies significantly. To carry the gas your motorhome will require a fixed refillable gas reservoir or you will need to buy a user-refillable gas-bottle. Although the filling-connector is not standardised Europe-wide, the number used is limited to three and adapters are available. (There's a lot of stuff on LPG, autogas, refillable bottles, etc. in the previous forum discussions.) UK service stations selling autogas may prohibit the filling of refillable bottles, but I've never come across this abroad. Having said that, if you ask service-station employees anywhere to fill your bottle for you they will very likely refuse. These are "USER-refillable" bottles and, if you anticipate problems refilling them yourself, you should avoid them. The ratio of propane to butane in autogas is unpredictable and, in extremely cold conditions, this may lead to vaporisation problems for motorcaravanners using this product for 'domestic' appliances within the motorhome.

 

D. Use the exchange-only gas bottles employed in the country where you are touring. Some modifications may need to be made to your 'van's gas-system to allow such bottles to be employed, and what these adaptations are (and how simple the process involved will be) will depend on your motorhome's existing system. It also needs emphasising that UK-built motorhomes with gas-lockers designed around 6kg/7kg (or smaller) Calor bottles may have trouble accommodating European gas containers as these generally have a larger cross-section.

 

Combinations of these options are perfectly normal. So a UK motorcaravanner might use A plus B - a couple of UK bottles with a Campingaz cylinder as a back-stop. Or C + D - an autogas tank for use when travelling around, with a local exchange-only bottle brought into play when your large motorhome (eg an American RV) is campsite parked for long periods and you are reluctant to move it. Or A + D - a twin-bottle system comprising an exchange-only 'foreign' bottle with a UK bottle as temporary 'change-over' back-up.

 

(Exchange-only bottles can be refilled in some European countries. This practice carries inherent risks and is frowned on by all responsible leisure authorities. It may well be illegal (it certainly is in France) and it will definitely break the hire contract regulations for this type of bottle.)

 

It is practically impossible to refill (legally!) a 'foreign' exchange-only bottle in the UK, so European motorcaravanners visiting the UK long-term face the same potential problems regarding replenishment of gas supplies and have the same options as we do going 'over there'. They have some advantages however. The gas-bottles normally used in European leisure vehicles tend to be larger than ours (13kg or 11kg propane instead of our 6kg propane), so they can carry more gas to begin with. Also, simple end-of-hose adapters may be readily available in their native countries to allow connection of UK bottles to their vehicle's gas system. For example, in France, one can purchase a range of adapters permitting a selection of non-French propane bottles to be connected to a French motorhome, or to allow a French 13kg propane bottle to be connected to a 'van with a UK or German gas-system.

 

Just two main gas-pressure standards (28/37mbar or 30mbar) for leisure-vehicles currently exist covering Europe and the UK. (There is also a superseded 50mbar pressure that may be found on older German vehicles.) However, there is a wide variety of national gas-bottle connector types. The UK uses a standard connector for all its generalised propane containers, but several different connectors are employed for our butane bottles. Historically, France had a standard connector for all its 13kg bottles, but the various smaller sized French bottles recently introduced use different connectors. As far as I'm aware, other than Campingaz containers, the only gas-bottle that crosses national frontiers is "Le Cube", a smallish plastic container marketed by Butagaz in France, Holland and Portugal.

 

As a UK motorcaravanner's first venture abroad is usually to France, it's worth looking at the preparations that might be taken for such an initial trip. (For people planning to start off with another country the same basic principles should apply.) Clearly you don't have to take any preparations if you're certain the gas in your UK bottles will last for the full duration of your stay abroad, or you are going to use Campingaz and your motorhome is already set up for this, or you've already got a user-refillable bottle or tank. But if you intend to use French bottles during your trip, or think you might need to, then this might help. (Most French service stations stock gas bottles and obtaining one will involve a deposit for the bottle plus the cost of the gas. However, unlike the UK, the French exchangeable gas bottle market is very competitive and tempting special offers abound.)

 

Essentially, the gas-systems in UK 'vans can be split into two types - Old System (OS), where an on-bottle 28mbar (butane), or 37mbar (propane), regulator connects to the motorhome's fixed gas pipework via a low-pressure hose, or New System (NS) where a 'fixed' bulkhead-mounted 30mbar regulator connects directly to the motorhome's pipework and is attached to the gas-bottle via a high-pressure hose. With OS the regulator and gas must match: with NS butane or propane can be used with the same regulator.

 

If you have OS and use butane, the logical thing to do is to employ a UK 28mbar regulator with a female-threaded connector suitable for Calor's 4.5kg cylinder. Adapters are readily available in the UK to allow this type of regulator to be linked to Calor 7kg/15kg cylinders with 21mm clip-on fittings, or to Campingaz containers with their screw-in connection. So you've got maximum flexibility within the UK. The threaded connection used on Calor's 4.5kg cylinder matches that of French 13kg gas-bottles, so you can connect your UK butane regulator directly to a big French butane bottle without any adaptation being required. If this option is not viable (French bottle too large?), then a 20mm clip-on adapter will allow the regulator to be used on ELFI, MALICE or TWINY butane cylinders or a 27mm clip-on adapter will fit the Le Cube butane container. (Both adapters are available in the UK or in France, but as Le Cube is a unique shape, a French 27mm adapter may be the better choice.)

 

Old System (OS) with propane is trickier, as the UK regulator will have a UK-standard male left-hand-threaded POL connector. In theory it has been possible in France to buy an adapter to convert the UK propane connector to the standard French screw-on fitting. However, I've never spotted any on accessory-shop shelves and distributors were forever out of stock when I inquired about ordering one. So, if you want to employ French propane containers, you'll normally need to replace your UK 37mbar regulator with a French equivalent. You could choose a standard French propane regulator that screws directly on to their large 13kg bottle and use the 20mm or 27mm adapters I've just mentioned to connect to the smaller French propane containers. (Although the connector-type differs according to the bottle-type, unlike the UK it doesn't differ according to whether a bottle has butane or propane in it.) Alternatively, you could replace your regulator with either a 20mm (ELFI/MALICE/TWINY) or 27mm (Le Cube) French clip-on propane regulator. French propane regulators normally seem to be sold without the 'nozzle' for pushing into a flexible hose, but the nozzle is available separately.

 

Similar, but simpler, principles will apply to UK motorhomes fitted with New System (NS). If you're accustomed to using butane, your bulkhead-mounted 30mbar regulator will most probably already carry a high-pressure ‘pigtail’ hose with a female-threaded connector to fit a 4.5kg Calor butane bottle. So the advice for OS butane applies. If you're using propane, then swap the high-pressure hose for the butane one just mentioned. This will attach directly to a 13kg French propane bottle or you can add an adapter to connect to the smaller containers.

 

(A small number of (mainly German) motorhomes use a bottle-mounted 30mbar regulator that connects directly to German propane bottles and uses a low-pressure hose to connect to the vehicle's fixed gas system. You can obtain an adapter to permit this regulator to be used with UK propane bottles but it probably makes better sense to have the system converted to NS with a fixed 30mbar regulator.)

 

Countries like Greece and Italy, Sweden, Spain and Portugal, etc. have their own types of bottle connector. The easiest way to decide what you might need if you wanted to use their gas containers on your motorhome is to obtain a copy of Gaslow's brochure as this lists a wide range of hoses and adapters that can be purchased in the UK.

 

http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/cyujrhdmmu67.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Categories

[Guest Joe90]

I can only say why anyone would want the hassle of digesting all of that information is a mystery to me.A refillable system is so simple. GPL gas availability in some countries may be an issue, but certainly in France there are hundreds of filling stations, pull up, put your gas in, and go. A full fill of a 11kg bottle costs around 14 euros to fill, 21 litres. It really doesn't get much simpler, or perhaps folk prefer to maul heavy bottles around, obtain adapters and God knows what, and pay handsomely for their gas to boot, it really makes no sense at all, a single bottle and appropriate fixed filling point costs around £200, which is recouped in a very short time, even if it wasn't the sheer convenience soon has you forgetting a couple of hundred quid.

 

[derek pringle]

hi Derek,

Very thorough and informative post.I think anybody not sure what to do re gas abroad will find enough detail of their options here.

cheers

derek

[arthur49]

I have an underfloor gas tank so its refillable for me.

 

But I'm sure many will appreciate your effort here Derek.

 

Thank you :-D

[yoko8pups]

Thank you very much, Derek. I am struggling with this problem now. We actually don't have a place that sells motorhomes anywhere near us in Portugal so I have to find a safe solution for us. The more information I have the better decision I will eventually make.

[JonMac46]

Thank you Derek , very useful.

[JonMac46]

When I first started to follow this forum, I went through all of the old posts and learned a tremendous amount. A lot of it was from Derek and Brian.

[Guest Joe90]

A Google search brings up all the information under the sun, anyone can do it. As for the OP and Brian it is self evident this and possibly other forums figure hugely in their lives, and both can be relied on for posting reams of information, brevity doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary, and they both know they get sent up for that on many occasions.

 

Perhaps when they no longer go off touring in their vans, they'll devote even more time, and information in their postings if such a thing is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

[Derek Uzzell]

yoko8pups - 2015-06-24 11:51 AM

 

Thank you very much, Derek. I am struggling with this problem now. We actually don't have a place that sells motorhomes anywhere near us in Portugal so I have to find a safe solution for us. The more information I have the better decision I will eventually make.

 

Regarding your inquiries about “Gas Light” bottles, this link relates to a 2007 discussion on the Practical Caravan forum.

 

http://www.practicalcaravan.com/forum/equipment-accessories/14162-the-bp-gas-light-bottle?start=20

 

It includes the following response from BP about exchanging Gas Light containers throughout Europe

 

"The BP Gaslight bottles are available in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Portugal, Poland, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands & France.

 

The bottle was only recently launched in France, Unfortunately I do not have a list of distributors for France or Portugal. I believe the market in France and Portugal is butane.

 

Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany & Netherlands are part of the European Exchange Programme, this means that you can exchange your bottle in these countries, but in the other countries you would have to purchase a brand new bottle (rather than a refill).”

 

Marketing of “Gas Light” bottles in France was unsuccessful, but (as I’ve said before) the “Gas Light” container is still available in the UK and there’s a lot of information about the UK-marketed bottles here

 

http://www.gaslightbottles.co.uk

 

The “Gas Light” bottle marketed in the UK has an outlet requiring a 27mm clip-on connector. As UK “Gas Light” bottles contain propane, this means that - when a motorhome’s gas system employs a gas-regulator fitted directly to the bottle - the 27mm clip-on on-bottle regulator should be the 37mbar type appropriate to propane. If a motorhome has a bulkhead-mounted regulator the gas-hose ‘pigtail’ connecting that regulator to the “Gas Light” bottle should be the high-pressure type with a 27mm clip-on ‘full-pressure’ adapter at its bottle-end.

 

Historical on-line comments suggest that (unlike in the UK) “Gas Light” bottles marketed in Portugal do indeed contain butane not propane. Assuming that’s the case (You will know what gas is in your “Gas Light” bottles) this would mean that - when a motorhome’s gas system employs a gas-regulator fitted directly to the bottle - the 27mm clip-on on-bottle regulator should be the 28mbar type appropriate to butane. If a motorhome has a bulkhead-mounted regulator the gas-hose ‘pigtail’ connecting that regulator to the “Gas Light” bottle should be the high-pressure type with a 27mm clip-on ‘full-pressure’ adapter at its bottle-end.

 

On-line comments also suggest that the outlet-valve of “Gas Light” bottles marketed in Portugal is the same as that used on on UK-marketed bottles - a fitting that accepts a 27mm clip-on connector.

 

In your posting of 19 June 2015 12:01 PM in this other discussion

 

http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/French-gas/38479/

 

you provided a photo of the top of a “Gas Light” bottle that shows what looks like a clip-on regulator with a low-pressure gas-hose attached to it via a jubilee-clip. The bottle’s outlet-valve cannot be seen, but if you examine the photos on this link

 

http://www.gaslightbottles.co.uk/gaslight/motor-home

 

you should be able to decide if the outlet-valve on your “Gas Light” bottles is the same as that used on the UK-marketed containers.

 

I understand that you own an LHD 2005 Hymer C-524.

 

Installing your “Gas Light” bottles in that vehicle will depend on what gas system the vehicle has and what gas-bottles are currently fitted to it.

 

If the Hymer has a system with an on-bottle regulator, it’s likely that the present regulator will not attach to a “Gas Light” bottle and will need replacing.

 

If the Hymer has a system with a bulkhead-mounted regulator, you will need to obtain a ‘full pressure’ 27mm clip-on adapter to attach to the “Gas Light” bottle and (probably) also replace the existing high-pressure gas-hose ‘pigtail’ with one that will accept the 27mm clip-on adapter.

[Guest JudgeMental]

If anything puts people off posting its the highhanded attitude of a few pontificating at great length complicating every matters imaginable unnecessarily!lol

 

Gas use has moved on for most. we and many others have been using refillable systems for over 10 years. Only a minority can be bothered humping different manafactured, heavy bottles around that are unsuitable in different countries for exchange. + don't feel the need to weigh or guess the contents on a long trip preferring being able to read content level from a gauge?...as I said originally the situation has moved on. Spend 40-60K+ on a van and cant afford £108 on a single refillable bottle *-)

[Brian Kirby]

Not so. From other posts above, it is clear a number of people are using exchange cylinders and value the information. Wheter they are a minority of motorhomers or not is irrelevant. It is what they do. Why should they be dragooned against their will into doing as the other half (which is suspect is actually a quite small minority) do?

[Guest Joe90]

I'm not sure that anyone is being dragooned into doing anything, but forgive us having an opposing viewpoint, and stating that with a suitable system the whole business of obtaining gas is very much simplified, and anyone coming to this thread wanting simplicity and a hassle free way of supply a refillable system as Judgemental points out, should be something in my view that should be at the top of their list and save all the hassle that we used to had no option other than to deal with before they were widely available, at the end of the day people do what they do, but to allude to the idea that somehow messing around lifting heavy gas bottles, with a myriad amount of brands, type of gas, and all the different connections on them to sort out, is preferable to three or four minutes at a LPG - GPL pump is frankly nonsensical, assuming it's OK for me to say so.?

 

[flyboyprowler]

I for one, and seemingly others thoroughly appreciate Derek's efforts, and his excellent explanation.

For me, I carry a split system, one Spanish bottle (we are based in Spain) and one Gaslow that has just been fitted, by a registered fitter, in the UK on our last visit. For the moment, I use the refillable bottle under normal use and the other as back up, The reason being, we nearly ran out of gas en route through France in the winter, and, at the time with 2 Spanish bottles, we were faced with being unable to swap, or getting a contract for a French one.

Certainly in Spain, there are limited suppliers, certainly in our area, of auto gas, so a split system works for me. However, I do have the 2nd Gaslow bottle, and may fit that in the future.

Also worth noting, that had my Gaslow been fitted by a "qualified" fitter here in Spain, he would have fitted the filler in the locker door, which is not recommended, or in the compartment that houses all the fuses!! BOOM!

[Robinhood]

Joe90 - 2015-06-24 5:44 PM

 

As for the OP and Brian it is self evident this and possibly other forums figure hugely in their lives, and both can be relied on for posting reams of information, brevity doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary, and they both know they get sent up for that on many occasions.

 

 

....for someone who has been banned under various personae only to return to post more (mainly) less-than-helpful outpourings, that seems rather ironic. ;-)

 

Both Brian's and Derek's contributions are largely relevant, attempt to add understanding, and mostly do so.

 

I find a few of them tedious (but I'm sure the same can be said of most "honest" contributors here - with the exception of myself of course ;-) ). I don't find it difficult to ignore those.

 

By all means, point out any errors in what Derek or Brian have posted, but try to find a more constructive way of doing so.

 

 

[Brian Kirby]

Joe90 - 2015-06-25 11:24 AM.............. assuming it's OK for me to say so.?

It is perfectly OK, as far as I am concerned, for you to express your preference for refillables. Have I or anyone else said otherwise?

 

However, the inference of both your, and Eddie's, contributions is that anyone who does not use refillables is rather eccentric. Guilty! :-)

 

Your main criticism of Derek's post seems to be its length, not its coverage of refillables.

 

I used the word "dragooned" in my reply to Eddie, because the further inference was that the post should have been abridged, so omitting much useful information, leaving those who wish to carry on with exchange cylinders partially in the dark as to their options. That seems to me an unreasonable response to freely provided information.

 

Of course "dragooning" is a bit iof an exaggeration - deliberate, for effect - but skewing the balance of someone's understanding of their options, by selectively excluding some facts in favour of others (which is what you and Eddie seem to me to have been implying), would be at minimum leading them by the nose. And all, it seems, because you both prefer to use refillables (as does Derek, the author of the post to which you objected :-)), and hadn't the patience for a post on exchange cylinders. So please, how is that reasonable?

[Ian2000]

Cheers Derek for a very detailed post, it maybe that in the end for many motorhomers a refillable system is 'best' either interms of convenience ( if a low to moderate user of gas) or cost (if a heavy user)

But the information you provide is I am sure useful to lots of members who are in the process of deciding. I am still undecided, waiting to see the gas usage in our new van. Our old van (vw california) used camping gas so the issue of running out in europe and not being able to exchange never arose. Whatever I deide it will be largely informed by what you and others have posted from experience. So thanks.

[Guest Joe90]

Brian Kirby - 2015-06-25 3:23 PM

 

Joe90 - 2015-06-25 11:24 AM.............. assuming it's OK for me to say so.?

It is perfectly OK, as far as I am concerned, for you to express your preference for refillables. Have I or anyone else said otherwise?

 

However, the inference of both your, and Eddie's, contributions is that anyone who does not use refillables is rather eccentric. Guilty! :-)

 

Your main criticism of Derek's post seems to be its length, not its coverage of refillables.

 

I used the word "dragooned" in my reply to Eddie, because the further inference was that the post should have been abridged, so omitting much useful information, leaving those who wish to carry on with exchange cylinders partially in the dark as to their options. That seems to me an unreasonable response to freely provided information.

 

Of course "dragooning" is a bit iof an exaggeration - deliberate, for effect - but skewing the balance of someone's understanding of their options, by selectively excluding some facts in favour of others (which is what you and Eddie seem to me to have been implying), would be at minimum leading them by the nose. And all, it seems, because you both prefer to use refillables (as does Derek, the author of the post to which you objected :-)), and hadn't the patience for a post on exchange cylinders. So please, how is that reasonable?

 

And still you don't get it, there is no inference at, the plain fact very, motorhome users have found to the solution of obtaining gas in a matter of minutes with zero hassle and much cheaper gas prices prices to boot, is a refillable system. I'm happy to see your admission of eccentricity though, I used to be exactly t

he same in lugging bottles about, and paying way over the odds for the privilege.

 

I'll resist the temptation to go on to solar panels and the benefits of same in case that is also deemed to be leading people by the nose as you put it.

[candapack]

Robinhood - 2015-06-25 2:02 PM

 

Joe90 - 2015-06-24 5:44 PM

 

As for the OP and Brian it is self evident this and possibly other forums figure hugely in their lives, and both can be relied on for posting reams of information, brevity doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary, and they both know they get sent up for that on many occasions.

 

 

....for someone who has been banned under various personae only to return to post more (mainly) less-than-helpful outpourings, that seems rather ironic. ;-)

 

 

I was thinking there was a touch of pot and kettle about it.

Glad you said it and not me though. :D

 

 

[Guest JudgeMental]

Heavens...See myself agreeing with Mike!

 

I still stand my ground and say this over analytical examination of every detail (whatever the topic) is in fact far from helpful to the uninitiated! As it extends into every bloomin issue regards motorhoming!lol. Whether its importation, gas, solar...whatever *-) and while its OK then to accuse me of being flippant or cavalier yourselves when you hardly have any experience on said issues? Ironically its OK for you to get all defensive regards a few simple gibes :D

[Brian Kirby]

Dear Joe, I am more than happy to accept that you did not intend the inference I took from your post. I am also happy to accept that you prefer refillables, and find them more convenient to use. (Let's just pass over solar panels, as they aren't the subject of this string.)

 

However eccentric and odd you may find it, and I am truly touched by your concerns, I just prefer to use exchange cylinders. Please don't bother to try to dissuade me over this: it is my preference, and I see no present reason to change. Likewise, I shall not (and never have), try to dissuade you over your preference for refillables. I'm sure you are more than capable of selecting the gas supply that you consider the best for your mode of motorhoming, as I believe I am for ours.

 

It is just that we are not all the same, and do not all do things in the same way, or for the same reasons. Your choice is yours. Mine is mine. I am quite happy with this situation, and I hope you are likewise. :-D

[yoko8pups]

JudgeMental - 2015-06-25 10:12 AM

 

If anything puts people off posting its the highhanded attitude of a few pontificating at great length complicating every matters imaginable unnecessarily!lol

 

Gas use has moved on for most. we and many others have been using refillable systems for over 10 years. Only a minority can be bothered humping different manafactured, heavy bottles around that are unsuitable in different countries for exchange. + don't feel the need to weigh or guess the contents on a long trip preferring being able to read content level from a gauge?...as I said originally the situation has moved on. Spend 40-60K+ on a van and cant afford £108 on a single refillable bottle *-)[/QU

 

I'm interested in this subject so I don't mind how much I read. Judgemental where can I get a bottle for £108? Does that include fitting? The gaslow website implies it is more than that but maybe there are other suppliers of refillable bottles who are as good and cheaper.

 

At the moment I am torn between bringing a light BP bottle to England in October and asking a registered fitter to install it correctly, and buying an LPG system as we have a garage which sells it very close to us, so does anyone know where can I find a list of registered fitters.

 

Derek, thank you for your useful post to me.

[yoko8pups]

I'm interested in this subject so I don't mind how much I read. Judgemental where can I get a bottle for £108? Does that include fitting? The gaslow website implies it is more than that but maybe there are other suppliers of refillable bottles who are as good and cheaper.

 

At the moment I am torn between bringing a light BP bottle to England in October and asking a registered fitter to install it correctly, and buying an LPG system as we have a garage which sells it very close to us, so does anyone know where can I find a list of registered fitters.

 

Derek, thank you for your useful post to me.

[Guest JudgeMental]

yoko8pups - 2015-06-25 6:47 PM

 

I'm interested in this subject so I don't mind how much I read. Judgemental where can I get a bottle for £108? Does that include fitting? The gaslow website implies it is more than that but maybe there are other suppliers of refillable bottles who are as good and cheaper.

 

At the moment I am torn between bringing a light BP bottle to England in October and asking a registered fitter to install it correctly, and buying an LPG system as we have a garage which sells it very close to us, so does anyone know where can I find a list of registered fitters.

 

Derek, thank you for your useful post to me.

 

GasIt. that price of 1 x 11Kg bottle. best buy the kit. can fit external filler and a BBQ point if you wish...Come on live a little you know it makes sense :D

 

http://www.gasit.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=261

[Guest Joe90]

Blimey Brian, it goes on and on, yes let's leave it, we don't want another non existent tap saga do we.

 

Just to add to Eddies thread, Gasit as well for us, and two of my pals in our village, I bought from them, excellent with next day delivery.

[Brian Kirby]

JudgeMental - 2015-06-25 6:16 PM

 

Heavens...See myself agreeing with Mike!

 

I still stand my ground and say this over analytical examination of every detail (whatever the topic) is in fact far from helpful to the uninitiated! As it extends into every bloomin issue regards motorhoming!lol. Whether its importation, gas, solar...whatever *-) and while its OK then to accuse me of being flippant or cavalier yourselves when you hardly have any experience on said issues? Ironically its OK for you to get all defensive regards a few simple gibes :D

Well, hello Eddie. I hope I didn't call you flippant or cavalier in the posts that were moderated: I don't think I did. :-)

 

As you will have guessed, I strongly disagree. I take the view that people should be given as much information as possible, and then left to draw from it what they want/need. That is how I prefer to be treated myself. I strongly dislike others censoring information, on the assumption that I may be unable to understand it, or assimilate it. There is a kind of arrogance in that assumption that I find offensive. If I don't understand, I'll soon ask for clarification! So, being of that inclination, I hate to see others being fed part stories, on the basis that they may not be able to cope. I just think one should trust people's intelligence. After all, we are all pretty mature adults.

 

What goes on the forum is written, and generally is not removed, so it can be returned to time after time, as necessary, for clarification, by anyone at any time. People with no interest in the subject are not compelled to wade through it, they would do better to simply skip over it and move on, unless, of course, they wish to correct it, or improve on it!