Philipe Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Cheers guys for all the very helpful advice. I've spoken to a chap today from another company who has recommended a local expert. The chap from FES should certainly be aware I'm trying to contact him as I've been speaking personally to the chap who works for him. He always tells me he's out of the office and takes my details. Today he was so embarrassed he gave me his personal mobile number. I rang it and it has a personal greeting and have left two messages on his voicemail. Still no reply. This Nick, the owner clearly doesn't care once he's got your cash. My background is engineering and I'm fairly sure it's the overfill protection device that is defective in both bottles. The fill loop is common and both bottles respond when you try to fill them with the gauges immediately rocketing up to full. The 6kg did this first and now the 11kg does the same however there's virtually no gas in them and pump cuts out as it is obiously pushing against a closed value I.e they're full. Except they're virtually empty. I doubt anything can be done. Suspect it's not serviceable but hopefully the local guys can help me out. They also supply Gaslo so suspect they'll recommend changing the bottles. Once again though cheers for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipe Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 lennyhb - 2015-08-24 1:21 PM Gaslow, and Gas-it's Stako bottles all come out of the same factory in Poland. You may just have a sticking cut off valve sometimes happens on new bottles. Yes Lenny I'm fairly sure that's what it is. Is there a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Whenever the cut off valve stuck (more than once!) on the underslung Autogas tank on our Warwick I used whatever was convenient to thump the tank a few times and this sometimes freed it - a two foot legnth of 4 x 2 was the weapon of choice, although a large rubber mallet also worked but was nothing like as satisfying as the 4 x 2 - and it also let out some pent up frustration. In the end the tank was replaced and I had no further problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Philipe - 2015-08-24 9:29 PM ...My background is engineering and I'm fairly sure it's the overfill protection device that is defective in both bottles. The fill loop is common and both bottles respond when you try to fill them with the gauges immediately rocketing up to full. The 6kg did this first and now the 11kg does the same however there's virtually no gas in them and pump cuts out as it is obiously pushing against a closed value I.e they're full. Except they're virtually empty. I doubt anything can be done. Suspect it's not serviceable but hopefully the local guys can help me out. They also supply Gaslo so suspect they'll recommend changing the bottles... I assume that your GAS-IT bottles are the 2-hole type (example here) http://www.gasit.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=261 This Gaslow filling-instructions document includes drawings of how the contents gauge attached to their 2-hole bottles’ outlet-valve functions. http://www.motorcaravanning.co.uk/pdf/Gaslow-Filling-Instructions-2012.pdf A swinging float within the bottle reacts to the rising level of liquid gas inside and a gauge registers (over a fairly restricted range) how much gas the bottle contains. My understanding is that the gauge used on GAS-IT 2-hole bottles works similarly and that this type of gauge is not directly operated ‘mechanically’ (as is the case with 4-hole bottles and Gaslow’s R67 containers) but magnetically. However, whatever the gauge-operating system used, if a bottle is near empty of gas (as you say yours are) and no gas can be pumped into the bottle it’s hard to understand how the contents-level gauge can react so dramatically. It’s logical to assume that the inability to pump gas into your bottles is due to a problem with the inlet, with either the non-return valve not opening properly or (probably more likely) with the 80% cut-off valve having stuck or become faulty. In principle an accurate diagnosis should be straightforward - just disconnect the bottle, attach a direct-filling adapter http://www.gaslowdirect.com/Gaslow-Direct-Fill-Adapter to the bottle’s inlet and try to fill it. If the bottle still won’t fill the fault must be with the inlet. If it will now fill the fault must be external to the bottle and ‘upstream’ of the bottle’s inlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipe Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Many thanks Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdlmotoring Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I've Had Autogas (http://www.autogas.co.uk) fitted on 2 Autotrails, Alugas bottles reduce weight, filling is easy (once you have gone through the learning process) Can't fault them, like the convenience. Would recommend them both as a supplier and for the product, great advice and guidance, does what it says on the tin, comes with a cost so may not be everyone's cup of tea but got tired of having an excess of bottles around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Sorry chaps/chapesses, but I've come late into this very interesting discussion having been away with limited WiFi. Perhaps someone can explain the difference between 2 hole, 3 hole and 4 hole gas bottles ? I have a single Gaslow refillable which has an IN and OUT, so presumably 2 holes. If you have a second Gaslow cylinder then presumably the master cylinder has 3 holes in order to service the secondary cylinder. So, what is a 4 hole cylinder - I seem to remember somewhere in the 4 page discussion that someone mentioned a 4 hole cylinder. Apologies for my ignorance in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisinplymouth Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Philipe......did you get the problem sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Robbo - 2015-11-03 9:43 PM Sorry chaps/chapesses, but I've come late into this very interesting discussion having been away with limited WiFi. Perhaps someone can explain the difference between 2 hole, 3 hole and 4 hole gas bottles ? I have a single Gaslow refillable which has an IN and OUT, so presumably 2 holes. If you have a second Gaslow cylinder then presumably the master cylinder has 3 holes in order to service the secondary cylinder. So, what is a 4 hole cylinder - I seem to remember somewhere in the 4 page discussion that someone mentioned a 4 hole cylinder. Apologies for my ignorance in advance. An ‘old style’ Gaslow canister (like yours) is a 2-hole bottle with a gas-refilling inlet and a gas-delivery outlet. When two of this type of bottle are used, a sort of ’T fitting' is attached to one bottle’s refilling inlet that allows LPG to enter that bottle and also feed on to the refilling inlet of the other bottle. Drawings on the following link show twin-cylinder arrangements http://www.gaslow.co.uk/pdf/INSTRUC_inside_UK.pdf Refillable gas-bottles with a mechanical contents-gauge set into their top surface may be 3-hole or 4-hole. Alugas bottles (for example) may be 2-hole or 3-hole http://www.autogas.co.uk/alugas-cylinders.htm but there is also a “Multivalve" version https://www.gasfachfrau.eu/en/product-details/product/id353.html which (I suppose) could be termed '1-hole' - as could Gaslow’s current range of “R67” bottles. http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatalog/Gaslow_R67_11kg_Refillable_Cylinder_.html Don’t worry about it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Derek, many thanks for allaying my worries about 2, 3 and 4 hole gas cylinders and explaining the reasons. I hadn't realised the Gaslow R67 comprised all connections in a single boss arrangement - neat idea. I can now sleep easy at nights now :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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