Guest daven Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Do you think motorhome owners cause a mess? Email your views to harry.mottram@nqsw.co.uk http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/14256251.Anger_over_motor_home_owners_who_dump_their__effluence__on_the_Burnham_Explanade/?ref=ebmpn e-mail sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 she (who onviously knows best) says 'nine times out of ten....'......surely those who do this regularly wouldnt bother to do it properly on the tenth time, would they? no idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coot Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 This would not be a issue if they did not park overnight but used a camping site and paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candapack Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 She said - “With regards to motor homes,” she said, “I really don’t think enough it being done to stop them parking on the Esplanade overnight. We are not in competition with car parks and sites that are near the town. When they do park there overnight, nine times out of 10 they empty their rubbish and their effluence afterwards. It should be stamped out.” So they're not just dumping it, they're setting it alight as well? It makes you want to join the Caravan Club and only ever use their sites, for fear of meeting some of the 90% of motorhomers who are manky Esplanade dumpers. And burners. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coot Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 They give people who have a motorhome a bad name. Use a camping site stop upsetting local residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don636 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The Councils should take swift action to deal with law breakers on an individual basis instead of using this as a hyped up, jobs worth excuse to ban all motorhomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 coot - 2016-02-08 9:22 PM They give people who have a motorhome a bad name. Use a camping site stop upsetting local residents. or if you do wildcamp overnight, DON'T leave any rubbish, and certainly no effluence.... mucky so & so . Don't give the locals an excuse to ban motorhomes from parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 coot - 2016-02-08 9:22 PM They give people who have a motorhome a bad name. Use a camping site stop upsetting local residents. You certainly chose a forum name that suits you. :D You are not a retired Colonel by any chance? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I've never seen motorhomers leave a mess, (that doesn't mean it doesn't happen but I think is rare) and certainly not seen cassette contents in a car park. I wonder how much of this rubbish comes from cars fly tipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coot Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 If you do wildcamp you have to abide by the local regulations. We run the risk of getting motorhomes ban from more car parks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 This is an issue which polarises opinion and you get people making fanciful claims to bolster silly arguments to support fixed and often thoroughly selfish ideas; the lady councillor quoted in the OP's link for example, who claims that 90% of motorhomers leave their rubbish and effluent on her sea front. You can't have any sort of discussion with people like that. Clearly if loads of motorhomers park overnight on sea fronts where there are also residential properties there is going to be bad feeling, even if they don't leave a mess behind, so motorhomers shouldn't expect to be able to do that sort of thing as if they are exercising some sort of human right. They are plonking themselves down obtrusively and spoiling other peoples' amenity and they should not be surprised by an adverse reaction. But there is a serious lack of night stop facilities for motorhomes in UK and hostility is shown to anyone who wants to park somewhere overnight in a MH as if they are all traveller-types, likely to leave a mess, is also wrong. More willingness to consider other people's needs rather than selfish NIMBYism is needed, as is less insistence on fanciful personal entitlements and more willingness to be constructive in finding solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 coot - 2016-02-09 8:00 AM If you do wildcamp you have to abide by the local regulations. We run the risk of getting motorhomes ban from more car parks I do wildcamp, as do other OAL Members. You will not see any of us in a Seaside Resort Car Park (unless it is Winter). We have exactly the same impression of these people as you have. If these Resort Car Parks become out of bounds, it will have no effect on us. These people will just move on to another area to behave in the same manner. Just to put you right on a few points about wildcampers. A very small minority cause ALL of the trouble and we should not ALL be treated as disgusting people. I have managed to get agreement for motorhome parking in a beautiful location but it will never be publicised on the Internet due to this tiny minority. It is for dedicated wildcampers only and others who I feel I can trust. In the past, I have spent time in negotiation with various bodies in an effort to create Aire type facilities. Some of them have eased their restrictions somewhat without creating a full blown Aire. Nowadays I tend not to bother on behalf of other Motorhomers. The reason why not? There are many Motorhomers who I do not like. They are Glampers more than Campers. All they have is the cash to buy a Motorhome and use Sites. They have little in common with me and are best kept on Sites out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coot Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 It will effect motorhome users that like to use a coastal car park during the day. I do use campsites and go out for the day. As you say different types. Glad I will not be meeting you on a campsite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Isn't Mr Mottram asking the wrong question? Should it not be "Do you have evidence that motorhomers are causing a mess?" And it is a question that should be put to the councillor who made the accusation in the first place. Neverthless if Burnham Esplanade is subject to a byelaw that bans overnight sleeping in vehicles in parking places then it should be enforced by the fixed penalty system. If it is such a menace then surely the fines paid would cover the expense of random visits by a Traffic Warden The idea put forward by the councillor that charges be made for parking there after 6pm as a deterrent is patently ridiculous. Seems to me that she is using a perceived menace as a tactic for revenue raising and hopes to sweeten the bitter pill to be swallowed by the law abiding by blaming the charge on these pesky motorhome people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Councillor Louise Parkin owns/runs Burnham-on-Sea pier, so one might perhaps anticipate her antagonism to motorhomes parking on the Esplanade. It’s quite possible that 90% of motorcaravanners do get rid of their rubbish before moving on - certainly I tend to do it - but that doesn’t mean they chuck it on the ground! Whether Cllr Parkin’s observation relates to motorcaravanners filling up public waste-bins is anybody’s guess, but the suggestion that 90% of motorcaravanners have been dumping their effluence (presumably waste-water) is overwhelmingly unlikely - though it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a few motorcaravanners have done this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall_Mike Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 As an observation from very limited experience, - If a van is "dumping" fluid" from underneath everyone seems to assume the worse, - given that it's winter and frost might occur (maybe !!) - we tend to "dump" the boiler and the fresh water tank which is perfectly clean and fresh before returning the van to storage, - of course the grey water and toilet waste needs to be disposed of properly and I wouldn't think about doing otherwise. - Maybe some do, but I would think and hope it's a very small minority. - Perhaps the Councillor should come out in a Motorhome and understand the technicalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero boy Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 coot - 2016-02-08 8:34 PM This would not be a issue if they did not park overnight but used a camping site and paid. overnighting on a site doesnt turn a dirty thoughtless person into a nice clean one....they might still chuck their wasre all over the place..... some folk buy MH for the express purpose of NOT being tied to campsites, to be able to tour in an impromptu manner and to stop (within the law) where they choose..... there will always be the odd idiot who is clueless but 90% of vanners dumping waste in the road.....not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 we were down Burnham on new year's day intending to stop three night, most the campsites were closed presumably until easter, most the cl's we looked at the ground was to wet we found one with hard standing that was open but being a cl it was a heck of a drive down difficult lanes, however the motorhome parking bays on the main car park in Burnham had about three vans on them, what a wasted opportunity? we only stayed two nights in the end but would have been happy on the carpark even if there was an overnight fee. I think over the days that we were there, their was about 12 motorhomes in and around Burnham, but don't forget, that we motorcaravanners don't spend any money as we take everything we need with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daven Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 breakaleg - 2016-02-11 3:58 PM we were down Burnham on new year's day intending to stop three night, most the campsites were closed presumably until easter, most the cl's we looked at the ground was to wet we found one with hard standing that was open but being a cl it was a heck of a drive down difficult lanes, however the motorhome parking bays on the main car park in Burnham had about three vans on them, what a wasted opportunity? we only stayed two nights in the end but would have been happy on the carpark even if there was an overnight fee. I think over the days that we were there, their was about 12 motorhomes in and around Burnham, but don't forget, that we motorcaravanners don't spend any money as we take everything we need with us?what no diesel !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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