John n Jax Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Hi, I am new to this forum,hope someone can advise me on a new exhaust. Fiat Ducato swift kontiki 660 2005 model. Been quoted £300 inc vat for new system using stainless steel and only 1 box(muffler ) is this a good deal and ok to only have the 1 as mine has 2 , the larger 1 having the pipes coming in and out same side ,the small 1 closer to engine , why the 2 and what is their purpose, can I have just the 1, ?? Cheers John Ps, based in Hemel Hempstead ,Herts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Welcome to the forum. I had a 2002 van based on a 2.8 litre Fiat Ducato. It didn't have a catalytic converter and from memory it only had one muffler box. On later Fiat models a catalytic converter was added. Perhaps the quote you have received is for the exhaust system downstream of the catalytic converter. Whatever you do, I would suggest you go for a like-for-like system but clarify with your exhaust fitter what is exactly included in their quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I have just had a Stainless Steel exhaust fitted on my 2004 Ducato [Chausson] it cost me £470 including VAT not including the front pipe as that was only 1 year old, the system is about 2 thirds of what was on the van before ,one less silencer , and shorter pipes, custom made, I was told that as it is a performance Exhaust system I would notice better performance from the engine and this has proved to be true, I have just had an MOT done and the exhaust was no problem, the van sailed through the MOT,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Deleting original emission equipment will result in a fail according to. /www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/275427/mot-special-notice-1-2014.pdf I am not sure if its been brought into force but it appears that is the intention. Motorcaravans fall into class 4 for MOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 A few random thoughts - The best way to ascertain and compare prices is to do your own local research. I would be wary of fitting anything non standard as whilst it might be fine, then again it might not, when it comes to MOT and emissions check time? Possibly the Kon Tiki is not a standard chassis and there may be differences in exhaust systems that only putting it on a ramp and checking will discover? How long you expect to keep the van may well affect how much much you want to spend as there seems little point in spending a lot for others to benefit from and the original didn't do bad? I have not had to replace an exhaust for years so I am not best placed to advise but I do recall the cheap and cheerful exhausts were something of a false economy not so many years ago and as it was not a job that I liked doing I found a genuine Peugeot/Fiat parts lasted better and didn't cost a lot more - at the time that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Hi Tracker, A lot of the better but non dealer parts are made by the same company as the original equipment anyway and if the dealer mark up was too big the business would t a large extent go elsewhere. I think its called a market economy but my study of economics relies on how deep down the wallet I have to dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Problem with standard exhaust systems on Motorhomes is the ALCO chassis, different on different marques so a standard exhaust from say quick fit may well not be suitable as the routing of pipes etc may vary , I priced my exhaust[ stainless ] against a standard fit and because my van is Alco chassis and French it needed modifications making the price of stainless the way to go , and as I said the MOT was NO problem , the van sailed through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 As my present motorhome will very probably be my last one ,when the exhaust fails, as it will. I intend to go to a specialist Stainless Steel exhaust fabricator and get a system made. The van is a euro 5, so Catalytic converter will have to be included in the system. Fit and forget, unlike mild steel fitted as standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Sorry folks, but I just don't see the benefit of chancing your arm on an unknown system from an unknown supplier when a standard original part supplied by the original maker that you know is designed to both fit and work as intended lasts more or less for 12 years? Unless (like Dave the Pelmet) you expect to keep the van for over 24 years that is, in which case it might make sense! Call me a cynic but I would bet more on a 2005 van still being in working order in 24 years than I would on a 2015 van, although whether anyone will remember how to work on them might be more of an issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will86 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Opting for a different exhaust material and layout may affect any insurance claim you may make. It would come under modifications to the original. In a future life I worked in a company making stainless products and we all changed our exhausts to stainless. But then the emission of gases was woolly and they adjusted on exit.. Today the slightest deviation from original will cause an imbalance Manufacturers spend millions to achieve the correct exhaust systems. However fanciful stainless may sound and appear, with a modern vehicle I would never change from an original exhaust design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Rayjsj - 2016-09-14 11:26 PM Fit and forget, (stainless steel) unlike mild steel fitted as standard. Don't count on it. My (admittedly limited and probably out of date) experience of Stainless Steel exhausts is they last less than mild steel because stainless steel is more subject to fatigue cracks. Especially if its been made as a one off bodge rather than mass produced to O/E factory standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 John52 - 2016-09-15 9:28 PM Rayjsj - 2016-09-14 11:26 PM Fit and forget, (stainless steel) unlike mild steel fitted as standard. Don't count on it. My (admittedly limited and probably out of date) experience of Stainless Steel exhausts is they last less than mild steel because stainless steel is more subject to fatigue cracks. Especially if its been made as a one off bodge rather than mass produced to O/E factory standards. Can,t agree with you there I Had a 1993 Toyota car with a SS exhaust. It was still ok when I sold the car 20 years later! Had to have a new radiator on though! PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 John n Jax - 2016-09-12 6:17 PM Hi, I am new to this forum,hope someone can advise me on a new exhaust. Fiat Ducato swift kontiki 660 2005 model. Been quoted £300 inc vat for new system using stainless steel and only 1 box(muffler ) is this a good deal and ok to only have the 1 as mine has 2 , the larger 1 having the pipes coming in and out same side ,the small 1 closer to engine , why the 2 and what is their purpose, can I have just the 1, ?? Cheers John Ps, based in Hemel Hempstead ,Herts I would go like for like, just in case it affects , the insure, (which you should probably inform if you do change it.) and maybe also effect the performance of van. Incidentally how many miles has van done. We have a 2006 ducato with 50, 000 k mileage , still got original exhaust PJay PS used to live in HH 40+ years!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 PJay - 2016-09-15 10:37 PM John52 - 2016-09-15 9:28 PM Rayjsj - 2016-09-14 11:26 PM Fit and forget, (stainless steel) unlike mild steel fitted as standard. Don't count on it. My (admittedly limited and probably out of date) experience of Stainless Steel exhausts is they last less than mild steel because stainless steel is more subject to fatigue cracks. Especially if its been made as a one off bodge rather than mass produced to O/E factory standards. Can,t agree with you there I Had a 1993 Toyota car with a SS exhaust. It was still ok when I sold the car 20 years later! Had to have a new radiator on though! PJay The car was not a diesel though, so don't know if that makes a difference!! PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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