4dogsontour Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I am very interested in a Pilote Galaxy 270 (2003). This will be my first motorhome so I have no experience of tax and insurance costs. The vehicle weighs more than 3500 tonne (3850) and is A Class so I am concerned road tax may be high. Are there any Galaxy owners who could advise me how much road tax might cost per annum? I have looked at the Government website and cannot work it out as there are so many categories. I was born 1959 so I can drive this class of vehicle. Thanks Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanedwin Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I am fairly sure it will be £165, as its classed as PHVG as opposed to PLG which a 3500kg one like mine is, and costs over £200! Go figure. Sorry should be PHGV. Also, it's not when you were born but when you passed your test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, the road tax for a Motorhome over 3500Kg is less than ones with a weight of 3500Kg or under. I know it sounds crazy. My van is 4250Kg, so I'm not complaining !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 But don't forget that you will be subject to reduced speed limits with a van over 3500kgs. Swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Randonneur - 2016-09-13 5:18 PM But don't forget that you will be subject to reduced speed limits with a van over 3500kgs. Swings and roundabouts. Sorry Randonneur but that is INCORRECT! You are only limited to lower speed limits if your UNLADEN weight is greater than 3,050 kg. That is actually 3 old English tons. See the third and forth lines here... https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Keithl - 2016-09-13 5:32 PM Randonneur - 2016-09-13 5:18 PM But don't forget that you will be subject to reduced speed limits with a van over 3500kgs. Swings and roundabouts. Sorry Randonneur but that is INCORRECT! You are only limited to lower speed limits if your UNLADEN weight is greater than 3,050 kg. That is actually 3 old English tons. See the third and forth lines here... https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits Keith. If you are correct, why do these vehicles have to display speed limit signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Randonneur - 2016-09-13 6:15 PM Keithl - 2016-09-13 5:32 PM Randonneur - 2016-09-13 5:18 PM But don't forget that you will be subject to reduced speed limits with a van over 3500kgs. Swings and roundabouts. Sorry Randonneur but that is INCORRECT! You are only limited to lower speed limits if your UNLADEN weight is greater than 3,050 kg. That is actually 3 old English tons. See the third and forth lines here... https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits Keith. If you are correct, why do these vehicles have to display speed limit signs. Sorry but I was unaware of having to display speed limit signs, do you have any info to back this up please? Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, unladen weight is an anomaly, left over from the old days. The unladen weight is the bare vehicle without fittings so most moho's will be OK, and all on the Fiat light chassis wold be fine. So fourdogsontour needs to check their licence for C1 entitlement , pre 1997 test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Billggski - 2016-09-13 6:30 PM Yes, unladen weight is an anomaly, left over from the old days. The unladen weight is the bare vehicle without fittings so most moho's will be OK, and all on the Fiat light chassis wold be fine. So fourdogsontour needs to check their licence for C1 entitlement , pre 1997 test. So, based on the above and taking the regulations to the extreme - my A Class MH arrived at the converter with a bare cab and ALCO chassis which probably weighed 2500Kg max. My van is rated at 4250Kg so probably built on the heavy chassis. Add the basic cab/chassis plus the roof and walls without the internal fittings and it might come in at under 3050Kg. This is obviously a grey area and probably hasn't been challenged in the courts - unless of course, anyone knows otherwise ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Robbo - 2016-09-13 7:20 PM Billggski - 2016-09-13 6:30 PM Yes, unladen weight is an anomaly, left over from the old days. The unladen weight is the bare vehicle without fittings so most moho's will be OK, and all on the Fiat light chassis wold be fine. So fourdogsontour needs to check their licence for C1 entitlement , pre 1997 test. So, based on the above and taking the regulations to the extreme - my A Class MH arrived at the converter with a bare cab and ALCO chassis which probably weighed 2500Kg max. My van is rated at 4250Kg so probably built on the heavy chassis. Add the basic cab/chassis plus the roof and walls without the internal fittings and it might come in at under 3050Kg. This is obviously a grey area and probably hasn't been challenged in the courts - unless of course, anyone knows otherwise ???? Robbo, Unladen weight has a definition in law... https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained So basically the vehicle fully fitted out but with all tanks, etc empty and no driver or passengers. And I agree it is a very grey area! I have calculated the 'theoretical' unladen weight for our AT from the brochure figure when new plus additions (eg towbar) and minus items removed (eg TV Aerial) and arrived at a figure of just 2,945 kg BUT most importantly under 3,050 kg. I have my calculations and would be prepared to argue my case with an officer of the law, how would they defend their side other than force me to remove all loose items and empty my tanks (fuel included)? Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Keithl - 2016-09-13 7:58 PM Robbo - 2016-09-13 7:20 PM Billggski - 2016-09-13 6:30 PM Yes, unladen weight is an anomaly, left over from the old days. The unladen weight is the bare vehicle without fittings so most moho's will be OK, and all on the Fiat light chassis wold be fine. So fourdogsontour needs to check their licence for C1 entitlement , pre 1997 test. So, based on the above and taking the regulations to the extreme - my A Class MH arrived at the converter with a bare cab and ALCO chassis which probably weighed 2500Kg max. My van is rated at 4250Kg so probably built on the heavy chassis. Add the basic cab/chassis plus the roof and walls without the internal fittings and it might come in at under 3050Kg. This is obviously a grey area and probably hasn't been challenged in the courts - unless of course, anyone knows otherwise ???? Robbo, Unladen weight has a definition in law... https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained So basically the vehicle fully fitted out but with all tanks, etc empty and no driver or passengers. And I agree it is a very grey area! I have calculated the 'theoretical' unladen weight for our AT from the brochure figure when new plus additions (eg towbar) and minus items removed (eg TV Aerial) and arrived at a figure of just 2,945 kg BUT most importantly under 3,050 kg. I have my calculations and would be prepared to argue my case with an officer of the law, how would they defend their side other than force me to remove all loose items and empty my tanks (fuel included)? Keith. Many thanks for the information Keith. I somehow doubt whether my van will crawl under the magic figure of 3050Kg *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dogsontour Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 Thanks for the replies and info. Very useful Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Keithl - 2016-09-13 6:22 PM Randonneur - 2016-09-13 6:15 PM Keithl - 2016-09-13 5:32 PM Randonneur - 2016-09-13 5:18 PM But don't forget that you will be subject to reduced speed limits with a van over 3500kgs. Swings and roundabouts. Sorry Randonneur but that is INCORRECT! You are only limited to lower speed limits if your UNLADEN weight is greater than 3,050 kg. That is actually 3 old English tons. See the third and forth lines here... https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits Keith. If you are correct, why do these vehicles have to display speed limit signs. Sorry but I was unaware of having to display speed limit signs, do you have any info to back this up please? Keith. Not in UK Keith, but in other EU states? Incidentally, the lower speed limits abroad are determined by MAM and not unladen weight. As your MAM is written on your VIN plate, there would be no case to argue! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thanks for clarifying that Derek, that is probably where the confusion between Randonneur and myself arose. Randonneur, sorry for being rather curt with my earlier posting, I apologise if I came over rather hard. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Robbo - 2016-09-13 7:20 PM..........................So, based on the above and taking the regulations to the extreme - my A Class MH arrived at the converter with a bare cab and ALCO chassis which probably weighed 2500Kg max....................... But it can be proved via a weighbridge. I take new vans to a weighbridge empty (all loose equipment removed) except for a full tank of fuel. (Diesel weighs about 0.85kg/litre, so calculating the weight of a full tank is quite straightforward) If the weighbridge ticket shows less that 3,050kg I keep it with the other van docs. (If the ticket showed over 3.050kg and the weight of the fuel in the tank would bring it below, I would make the deduction for fuel as a note, and would be prepared - within reason - to argue my case. If over 3,050 I would simply accept that the lower speed limits would apply in UK. There were a spate of reported "tickets" issued by police officers (who had the "unladen" thing round their respective necks!) a few years back, so being stopped on suspicion of exceeding the limit is not out of the question. It seems to me easier to be able to prove to the officer at the time that you are legal, and wish him a polite "good day", than to have to go through the ensuing faff of challenging your ticket in court, but that's just me! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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