tonyg3nwl Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Hi, i had my van in for service a couple of days ago, and asked them to check spare wheel as well. There was an extra labour charge for sorting out the mounting mechanism, as it was apparently solid and corroded. i wonder how many others might have the same problem. When did you last check? All other items on the checklist were ok, and the antifreeze was dealt with, as was the lubricants and filters. final bill just over 300, for fiat based stargazer 2009 version. tonyg3nwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJB Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 It seems to get commented on every so often....normally after a puncture! Thank goodness they are few and far between these days ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will86 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 When we had the Rapido I moved the spare wheel to inside the van to overcome that very problem. It also allowed checking the tyre pressure often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Probably old news, but check your fuel filter after a service, they always leak. (Google fiat x250 fuel filter problems.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Perhaps worth mentioning that there was a 2011 Citroen/Fiat/Peugeot recall relating to the spare-wheel carrier of certain ‘X250’ vehicles. Details here: http://www.practicalmotorhome.com/news/30680-fiat-ducato-x250-recall-over-spare-wheel-carrier That some vehicles that should have been modified as a result of the recall were not will be evident from this 2015 forum discussion. http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Spare-Wheel/39211/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Billggski - 2016-10-12 12:44 PM Probably old news, but check your fuel filter after a service, they always leak. (Google fiat x250 fuel filter problems.) ...because instead of using the proper tool to unscrew them people crack the housing in a vice and then blame Fiat *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevina Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I'm in the middle of fitting a ducato spare wheel carrier under my van, one like this http://tinyurl.com/h7z5ra7 Yesterday I spoke to an ATS mechanic who confirmed that they do regularly seize up and need the same routine maintenance any other moving part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 John52 - 2016-10-12 2:17 PM Billggski - 2016-10-12 12:44 PM Probably old news, but check your fuel filter after a service, they always leak. (Google fiat x250 fuel filter problems.) ...because instead of using the proper tool to unscrew them people crack the housing in a vice and then blame Fiat *-) The fuel-filter leakage problem with Euro 4 X250s has been discussed here several times before. Example here http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Fiat-Ducato-Fuel-Filter-Replacement/39103/ Received (and expert) wisdom seems to be that, even when a special tool is used, there’s a good chance that filter-cartridge replacement will result in a fuel leak. If I remember correctly the filter-unit’s plastic top is supposed to be tightened to a specific torque, though how this is supposed to be achieved using, say, strap wrenches is anybody’s guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Derek Uzzell - 2016-10-12 2:43 PM If I remember correctly the filter-unit’s plastic top is supposed to be tightened to a specific torque, though how this is supposed to be achieved using, say, strap wrenches is anybody’s guess... The workshop tool and its Blueprint equivalent are 1/2" square drive so a torque wrench can be used. E.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blue-Print-ADK85502-FILTER-REMOVAL/dp/B00B8X7XN0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I know. Apparently the torque setting is 30Nm and displayed on the rim of the filter’s upper section. http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/ADK85502.pdf There’s a 2-Part filter-replacement guide here http://www.fiatforum.com/ducato/357165-x250-ufi-fuel-filter-service-part-i.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Derek Uzzell - 2016-10-12 2:43 PM If I remember correctly the filter-unit’s plastic top is supposed to be tightened to a specific torque, though how this is supposed to be achieved using, say, strap wrenches is anybody’s guess... These filter housings are fitted to lots of other vehicles as well as Fiat. The manufacturers recommend an inexpensive special tool to hold the body and unscrew' retighten the cap. If people use vices and strap wrenches instead of the proper tool what do they expect *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Derek Uzzell - 2016-10-12 6:22 PM Apparently the torque setting is 30Nm and displayed on the rim of the filter’s upper section. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paws Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Cheaper version here, changed my filter 2 years ago with it and no leaks so far (fingers crossed) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Tools-Fuel-Filter-Removal-Kit-Vauxhall-Opel-Citroen-Fiat-Peugeot-/181880153890?hash=item2a58e6e722:g:4PIAAOSw~OdVesql Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Did a proper maintenance job on my spare wheel carrier this Summer. (Renault cab attached to Alko Tag chassis). The original spare had never been out of the carrier and it was all a bit stiff. An important thing for anyone with a similar van to note. For some inexplicable reason, the 2 studs for raising and lowering the carrier have a 14 mm Hex head. 8-) I have lots and lots of tools of all descriptions (I was an Engineer all my working life) but I did not have, or can remember having a 14 mm Socket (but may have had one in a motorcycle kit at one time). Be warned. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 747 - 2016-10-12 8:19 PM I have lots and lots of tools of all descriptions (I was an Engineer all my working life) but I did not have, or can remember having a 14 mm Socket (but may have had one in a motorcycle kit at one time). Be warned. :D Jim, From memory of my dim and distant days of fixing old bangers 14 mm and 9/16" sockets where pretty much interchangeable. They certainly where a closer match than 13 mm and 1/2" ! But then again who nowadays has imperial sockets (?) Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Keithl - 2016-10-12 8:26 PM ...But then again who nowadays has imperial sockets (?) Keith. Me There’s a comparison table here http://www.toolconnection.co.uk/conversionchart.aspx The worst ‘wind down’ spare-wheel mechanism I’ve come across was the one fitted to my 2005 Ford Transit-based Hobby motorhome. Operating the mechanism involved sticking the flat-bladed screwdriver end of the wheel-wrench into an oval slot on the winch and then rotating the wrench. This was (literally) impossible to do on the Hobby and I bodged up a tool from a meter length of square-section steel bar to allow me to turn the winch. To make matters worse, the metal part carrying the oval slot was made from some sort of brittle alloy and mine split. I glued the parts back together and put a worm-drive clip around the result, but I always feared having to remove/replace the Hobby’s spare wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Keithl - 2016-10-12 8:26 PM 747 - 2016-10-12 8:19 PM I have lots and lots of tools of all descriptions (I was an Engineer all my working life) but I did not have, or can remember having a 14 mm Socket (but may have had one in a motorcycle kit at one time). Be warned. :D Jim, From memory of my dim and distant days of fixing old bangers 14 mm and 9/16" sockets where pretty much interchangeable. They certainly where a closer match than 13 mm and 1/2" ! But then again who nowadays has imperial sockets (?) Keith. Hi Keith. I still have all my Whitworth tools and you are correct about 14 mm and 9/16 Whit being the same. I have interchanged them but only with Allen Keys, not sockets or spanners. In my time I needed AF, Whit and Metric tools. I have worked on old Lithographic Printing Presses (metal decorators, printing on tinplate and Aluminium). I also worked on Power Presses, some American with AF threads. In fact I needed some of them almost up to my retirement. :D Ah, retirement ....... what a lovely word that is. Sorry for the delayed reply. we are up in the Highlands and have had no signal ...... or TV. The wife is desperate to know what is happening in the Soaps. :D Surprisingly, I am parked up in Glencoe with a good 3 signal on the Mifi. We should be back in the Lowlands by tomorrow and home by Monday or Tuesday. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 My Land Rover S2 had mixed imperial and metric fittings, so I have a full set of both, which confuses me (easily done nowadays) But you have reminded me to wind the spare down and grease it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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