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Did anybody watch it? As the subject of Muslims comes up often down here in the OAL basement I Wanted to know if anybody watched it and their thoughts on the program.

 

The program puts 10 Muslims into a house together from a wide range of backgrounds and all with different ideas of Islam.

 

For me it kind of confirmed what I already knew. A small minority refuse to accept anything but their outdated interpretation of ISLAM yet the majority interpret it differently, hold moderate views, respect others beliefs and religions and condemn those that support violence and terrorism as unislamic.

 

Its a really interesting mix from a Muslim convert who is clearly a messed up individual and is even under the watch of the security services to an openly Gay Muslim, an elderly white lady and two very westernised girls. All of them claim that they are true and faithful Muslims however.

 

If you have not watched it, its very interesting and worth a viewing. Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b085zxxk/muslims-like-us-episode-1

 

Program description from BBC website below.

 

Episode 1

 

Put ten British Muslims with contrasting world views in a house together and press record. What emerges is a passionate debate, honest disagreements, humour and moments of insight that reveal what is like to be a Muslim in Britain today.

 

On the surface, Britain's 2.7 million Muslims are united in faith. But behind closed doors, in Muslim homes across the country, there is ongoing discussion about what and who best represents Islam. Labels like Sunni, Shi'a, liberal, conservative and moderate don't do it justice. Will the real British Muslim please stand up?

 

She or he is faced with competing and contradictory voices. Some suggest an orthodox version of the faith is entirely at home in Britain. Others demand compromises to be made by Muslim in order to integrate. This unique and bold social experiment witnesses these dilemmas played out for real.

 

In episode one, the ten British Muslims who represent the diversity of their faith move into their new home. As each meets and settles in, they begin to explore how their faith impacts their lives, from sleeping arrangements, cooking, and prayer to dress and culture. Topical, important and, at times, charged exchanges shine a light on what it means to be a Muslim in modern Britain.

 

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I recorded so will watch tomorrow probably. I won't be surprised at any differing views/interpretations though as i've kept my eyes, ears and mind open. There will always be radical fruitloops in all walks of life. The US is full of fundamentalist wacko's.....just look at the Westboro' mob who pose as "a church".

 

In case you missed it and can stomach the ranting bile, BBC screened a documentary a few weeks ago called "Americas Hate Preachers".

 

 

Listen to the rhetoric spewed out by "Pastor" Steven Anderson. He calls himself a Christian but more suited as Ambassador to The Devil. He's been banned from the UK, South Africa, and deported from Botswana.

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See we had yet more arrests yesterday regarding home grown terrorists , the list is endless isn't it ... Can only presume of course they are Muslim as probably 99% of terrorist acts are carried out in the name of Islam ... Thank goodness we have great intelligence that prevents most of the murder and slaughter of innocent folk although we have still seen a hell of a lot ... Its like one of the neighbours said yesterday when interviewed " They seemed like ordinary people " ... You just never know do ya , could be on your road or one of your Muslim friends and thats why we all need to be vigilante
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I can't forget the 'fatwah' against Salman Rushdie for writing his book. Seeing so called Muslims burning and cutting up effigies of him in the street and calling for him to be killed, as though their religion is so perfect it is not allowed a whisper of criticism. But, like football holigans, its the extremist nutters that make the news. The Muslims I know are not like that.

I think the problem is the same with any church (or football club) - because they are open to all, nutters get in.

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Moderate Muslims maybe in the majority at the moment.......how long will that remain the case? Considering we allow the setting up of madrases such as the one investigated by channel 4 8-) ..........

 

 

"This school is required by its inspectors to teach tolerance and respect for other faiths. But the Channel 4 current affairs programme Dispatches filmed secretly inside it – and instead discovered that Muslim children are being taught religious apartheid and social segregation.

 

We recorded a number of speakers giving deeply disturbing talks about Jews, Christians and atheists.

We found children as young as 11 learning that Hindus have ‘no intellect’ and that they ‘drink cow p***’.

And we came across pupils being told that the ‘disbelievers’ are ‘the worst creatures’ and that Muslims who adopt supposedly non-Muslim ways, such as shaving, dancing, listening to music and – in the case of women – removing their headscarves, would be tortured with a forked iron rod in the afterlife.

 

In 2009 this school was praised by Government-approved inspection teams for its interfaith teachings. The report said that ‘pupils learn about the beliefs and practices of other faiths and are taught to show respect to other world religions’.

 

It seems that the inspectors were unaware of the teaching methods revealed by our undercover reporter, Osman. He was taken on as a volunteer at the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham in April 2009 and was allowed to sit in on some lessons – but not their Islamic classes."

 

Progress eh? *-) ........

 

So I'll take any program produced by Muslims about Muslims with a large pinch of salt until they shut down their madrases :-| ........

 

 

 

 

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Barryd999 - 2016-12-13 12:23 AM

 

Did anybody watch it? As the subject of Muslims comes up often down here in the OAL basement I Wanted to know if anybody watched it and their thoughts on the program.

 

The program puts 10 Muslims into a house together from a wide range of backgrounds and all with different ideas of Islam.

 

For me it kind of confirmed what I already knew. A small minority refuse to accept anything but their outdated interpretation of ISLAM yet the majority interpret it differently, hold moderate views, respect others beliefs and religions and condemn those that support violence and terrorism as unislamic.

 

Its a really interesting mix from a Muslim convert who is clearly a messed up individual and is even under the watch of the security services to an openly Gay Muslim, an elderly white lady and two very westernised girls. All of them claim that they are true and faithful Muslims however.

 

If you have not watched it, its very interesting and worth a viewing. Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b085zxxk/muslims-like-us-episode-1

 

Program description from BBC website below.

 

Episode 1

 

Put ten British Muslims with contrasting world views in a house together and press record. What emerges is a passionate debate, honest disagreements, humour and moments of insight that reveal what is like to be a Muslim in Britain today.

 

On the surface, Britain's 2.7 million Muslims are united in faith. But behind closed doors, in Muslim homes across the country, there is ongoing discussion about what and who best represents Islam. Labels like Sunni, Shi'a, liberal, conservative and moderate don't do it justice. Will the real British Muslim please stand up?

 

She or he is faced with competing and contradictory voices. Some suggest an orthodox version of the faith is entirely at home in Britain. Others demand compromises to be made by Muslim in order to integrate. This unique and bold social experiment witnesses these dilemmas played out for real.

 

In episode one, the ten British Muslims who represent the diversity of their faith move into their new home. As each meets and settles in, they begin to explore how their faith impacts their lives, from sleeping arrangements, cooking, and prayer to dress and culture. Topical, important and, at times, charged exchanges shine a light on what it means to be a Muslim in modern Britain.

 

I did Barry it was excellent. If it was a Big Brother contest Barra, the Syrian has my vote. The programme had echoes for me of my childhood because of the differences in the Christian faiths of people in our village which was split between people who were C of E in name only, C of E churchgoers, Methodists, Baptists and Catholics. From a child’s perspective they all seemed to get along reasonably well but there was an undercurrent of contempt and/or pity for each other on the religious front. Looking back we Catholics were the most dogmatic and unbending. I was brought up to believe that an essential part of one’s faith was to have an unfailing belief that everyone else was wrong and risked damnation but the poor things had to be tolerated. We didn’t recognise that the local vicar was ordained by God, we couldn’t cross the threshold of our local C of E Church without permission from the Bishop and were reminded that it had been stolen from us centuries ago after some sexually incontinent King decided to split with Rome. We thought that the Methodists were a load of killjoys and a bit weird because they had lay Ministers who had other occupations. Sunday school teachers were dangerous purveyors of religious teaching they were not qualified to impart and probably got wrong most of the time. The Baptists were a bit of a mystery but they seemed to risk their children being committed to an awfully boring place called limbo if they died before they got round to dowsing them with holy water, which of course wouldn’t be holy at all so a double whammy for those poor souls. It is very different now, people have of different faiths have much more respect for each other in my old village and at least we stopped killing each other centuries ago. Interestingly it was the Methodists who were kindest and most thoughtful in very practical ways when my mother became ill. If I were to think about taking up religion seriously again I think I’d try them out first.

 

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Just watched this morning and found it very interesting.

 

The fundamentalist boxer guy......oh dear! *-) I just knew there was going to be a clash with him from the beginning when he first entered the house to be met by the Bollywood looking lady.....and promptly 'separates' himself by sitting at the opposite end of the room!

 

What i didn't expect though whilst she represented everything he despised about women (make up, uncovered hair, figure hugging western clothes etc) it was the older more traditionally dressed lady who really tore into him!! She made some very good points but boxer guy has been radicalised.....just like extremist xenophobic nut jobs on 'the other side'. And a good example of that was when the white student guy met the EDL guy on his own. White student guy was perfectly happy to talk to him but 'Mr EDL' didn't have any of thug boys to hold his hand.........so walks off muttering excuses!! Hilarious but sad.

 

Their reaction to the gay Muslim guy was interesting too though boxer guys was obviously going to be predictable! I enjoyed the Karaoke evening too....that was good.

 

I had a weird experience this time last year. I'd gone to a Bearings specialist which is some way from where i live but i knew where the place was, but when i got there to my horror i found they'd closed down and moved...but the notice didn't indicate where to!

 

The building was in a very obscure back street of a town so hardly anyone around. Then i spotted a woman walking down the street.....but she was alone, wearing a full niqab and had a small child with her.....and i'm a single bloke on my own in a vehicle. I really couldn't imagine a worse combination for "suspect activity" but i thought what the heck i have to find this place! At worst she'd ignore me and carry on, at best she might say "i don't know" and walk off. Imagine my surprise when not only did she know exactly where they'd re-located to, she gave me spot on directions in a very broad local accent!

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I think the program does actually show that they are indeed "nice people". I think like has been said above there are radicals in all religions and extremists but they are not the norm. These people are the norm across Muslim society I would say. Certainly the less radical ones in the group are more like the Muslims I have come across in my life. I Reckon there is no place in modern society and especially our western culture for any kind of religion that is set in the dark ages or sees itself above all others and has no tolerance for any other religion or race than its own. However amongst those in the program there was just the one guy who was clearly that way.

 

All of them believed that they were still true to their faith in the way they interpreted ISLAM and the Koran but the difference in what they believed was vast. I am sure there are many Christians who go around preaching and obeying all the commands and words in the bible but just like these people the vast majority have not been radicalised and fit in well to general society. All of them were concerned however about ISIS, terrorism and the fact that many tar them all with the same brush. I am glad its been shown, perhaps it will change some peoples views and perceptions of Muslims. Whilst its true that the vast majority of terrorist attacks are currently being carried out in the name of ISLAM this has nothing to do with the people in this film or British Muslims in general. The IRA blew up and murdered plenty of innocent people but it didnt mean that everyone in Northern Ireland or those living in England, Scotland and Wales supported their terrorism.

 

Im just about to watch the second program now.

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Barryd999 - 2016-12-13 10:00 PM

 

I think the program does actually show that they are indeed "nice people". I think like has been said above there are radicals in all religions and extremists but they are not the norm. These people are the norm across Muslim society I would say.

 

There are radicals and extremists everywhere Barry and not just among faith/religions. Those with extremist views are no different imo and you don't need look very far to see the loopy lot spouting off their usual clap trap. It's a predictable mantra. They are also 'not the norm' and in a minority, thankfully.

 

I enjoyed part 2 (just watched it this morning). Haqq is so dogmatic he began to sound like a record with the needle stuck in the groove. Rehash previous, rinse, then repeat, then rehash, rinse and repeat again and so on. That's his wacko mantra! I really felt for Zohra, the Shia lady he had a pop at. Haqq of course is Sunni and though it wasn't said directly, he implied she wasn't worthy of living. Everyone was disgusted with him over that outburst. Zohra fought back best she could but was visibly shaken and very upset....who wouldn't be? I'm not surprised he's done time in Belmarsh.

 

Meeting the locals was good despite the young chap turning up in Panama hat, bow tie, blazer and pressed slacks! The young atheist lad came with the right attitude. Open about his atheism but more than prepared to listen to views of others without being judgmental or attempting to force his own views (Haqq style!). The tour Panama hat man organised to a war memorial drew an interesting response with only Mehreen, Zohra and a couple of others going along. Mehreen is very western and well integrated at ease with anyone. I liked both her and Zohra.

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I have a feeling that anyone willing to do this on television is unlikely to be representative of anyone other than people who want to be on television.

One of the best chauffeurs that we ever employed was a Muslim, a lovely guy who's faith was deep, and who's company I enjoyed immensely, and he was very critical of the terrorists. We spoke one day about people who supported terrorism by sending money to a madrassa, he said he did it, but only to make sure that his branch of Islam would ultimately prevail.

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I've not watched it , though it does seem by the reviews on here that it's really good TV ... I did see an advert for it with a fella saying " I'm black and Muslim and some people hate me " ... Kinda put me off ... Those tolerant Muslims who live in Tower Hamlets seem like a nice bunch ... The Islamification of the area well under way ... Folk getting hospitalized for smoking in public during Ramadam , gay pub stormed by up to 30 Muslims threatening those inside , white teacher attacked for daring to teach about Islam , Muslim gangs enforcing wearing of the veil and the local police face accusations of covering up the Islamic street patrols ... London , dontcha just love it
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Bulletguy - 2016-12-14 3:22 PM

 

Meeting the locals was good despite the young chap turning up in Panama hat, bow tie, blazer and pressed slacks! The young atheist lad came with the right attitude. Open about his atheism but more than prepared to listen to views of others without being judgmental or attempting to force his own views (Haqq style!). The tour Panama hat man organised to a war memorial drew an interesting response with only Mehreen, Zohra and a couple of others going along. Mehreen is very western and well integrated at ease with anyone. I liked both her and Zohra.

 

I'm an atheist and I like Panama hats........are you prejudiced or sumfink? 8-) ........

 

 

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antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it , though it does seem by the reviews on here that it's really good TV ... I did see an advert for it with a fella saying " I'm black and Muslim and some people hate me " ... Kinda put me off ... Those tolerant Muslims who live in Tower Hamlets seem like a nice bunch ... The Islamification of the area well under way ... Folk getting hospitalized for smoking in public during Ramadam , gay pub stormed by up to 30 Muslims threatening those inside , white teacher attacked for daring to teach about Islam , Muslim gangs enforcing wearing of the veil and the local police face accusations of covering up the Islamic street patrols ... London , dontcha just love it

 

Give it a go. I worked as you know in and around London for years and none of the Muslims I came across were like that. I am not saying that these kind of nutcases do not exist because they do. What I think the program did well was show that out of the ten people in the house they all had different views of Islam, integration and their outlook on the world. If they are truly representative of Muslim society in Britain then for me it was encouraging. I posted it on here because its been discussed a fair bit over the past few months and I wanted to see if having watched it if it had changed anyone's views. Thankfully out of the ten I would say there was only one that I would have considered radicalised or of the type that seems to fit the stereotype you describe. He was a boxer and only converted to ISLAM eleven years ago.

 

Some I didnt care for and it just confirmed to me that an Ahole is an ahole despite what religion or colour they are. The older lady (Forget her name) was spot on though. A real wise woman. Stop hiding behind the culture and integrate (or something along those lines) was her parting shot and the Shia girl just suggesting that you just go and talk to them, say hello. I think integration is a two way street really. I hope broadcasting this helps bridge what appears to be a widening gap on both sides.

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Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 7:04 PM

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it , though it does seem by the reviews on here that it's really good TV ... I did see an advert for it with a fella saying " I'm black and Muslim and some people hate me " ... Kinda put me off ... Those tolerant Muslims who live in Tower Hamlets seem like a nice bunch ... The Islamification of the area well under way ... Folk getting hospitalized for smoking in public during Ramadam , gay pub stormed by up to 30 Muslims threatening those inside , white teacher attacked for daring to teach about Islam , Muslim gangs enforcing wearing of the veil and the local police face accusations of covering up the Islamic street patrols ... London , dontcha just love it

 

Give it a go. I worked as you know in and around London for years and none of the Muslims I came across were like that. I am not saying that these kind of nutcases do not exist because they do. What I think the program did well was show that out of the ten people in the house they all had different views of Islam, integration and their outlook on the world. If they are truly representative of Muslim society in Britain then for me it was encouraging. I posted it on here because its been discussed a fair bit over the past few months and I wanted to see if having watched it if it had changed anyone's views. Thankfully out of the ten I would say there was only one that I would have considered radicalised or of the type that seems to fit the stereotype you describe. He was a boxer and only converted to ISLAM eleven years ago.

 

Some I didnt care for and it just confirmed to me that an Ahole is an ahole despite what religion or colour they are. The older lady (Forget her name) was spot on though. A real wise woman. Stop hiding behind the culture and integrate (or something along those lines) was her parting shot and the Shia girl just suggesting that you just go and talk to them, say hello. I think integration is a two way street really. I hope broadcasting this helps bridge what appears to be a widening gap on both sides.

 

I'd rather pull my own toe nails out Barry ... If I want a piece of the real Muslim world in Britain I don't have to venture many miles to sample it

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Cant see how a bit of BBC tokenism is going to make the slightest bit of difference *-) ........

 

Clamping down on those behind the Trojan horse project in Birmingham schools, along with preventing the spread of madrases is the only way we'll prevent the radical Islamist's getting even more of a foothold in the UK :-| ......

 

Gawd knows why I'm expected to be tolerant of their intolerance *-) ..........

 

 

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Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

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Archiesgrandad - 2016-12-14 4:01 PM

 

I have a feeling that anyone willing to do this on television is unlikely to be representative of anyone other than people who want to be on television.

One of the best chauffeurs that we ever employed was a Muslim, a lovely guy who's faith was deep, and who's company I enjoyed immensely, and he was very critical of the terrorists. We spoke one day about people who supported terrorism by sending money to a madrassa, he said he did it, but only to make sure that his branch of Islam would ultimately prevail.

AGD

 

There will always be an X Factor/Big Brother element about this type of programme as the format on both has proved a winner with viewers and in the case of X Factor, hugely increased Cowells wealth! The best representation really would be found among your own neighbours.

 

The taxi company i use has a few Muslim drivers from various countries. They have a couple of Indian drivers as well and i asked if they ever fell out over political differences. He laughed as he told me one of the Indian guys was his best mate and the only thing they fell out over was cricket and football!

 

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it , though it does seem by the reviews on here that it's really good TV ... I did see an advert for it with a fella saying " I'm black and Muslim and some people hate me " ... Kinda put me off ... Those tolerant Muslims who live in Tower Hamlets seem like a nice bunch ... The Islamification of the area well under way ... Folk getting hospitalized for smoking in public during Ramadam , gay pub stormed by up to 30 Muslims threatening those inside , white teacher attacked for daring to teach about Islam , Muslim gangs enforcing wearing of the veil and the local police face accusations of covering up the Islamic street patrols ... London , dontcha just love it.

 

Tower Hamlets is not representative of London just as Richmond where my son lives isn't. Both are chalk 'n cheese. It's like comparing Moss Side in Manchester to Altrincham or Salford Quays.

 

Most cities, including Huddersfield no doubt, you will find both bad and good areas.

 

Incidentally the man attacked for smoking during Ramadam was Muslim himself, not that that makes it any better but shows how stupid extremism is in whatever form. Just as bats as the loopy lot filling their heads with white supremacist rubbish.

 

 

 

Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 7:04 PM

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it,

 

Give it a go.

 

Fear fuels racism and xenophobia Barry whichever side of the fence it's on. Ironically it's fear which seeps into the minds of the vulnerable and radicalises them. It's comparable to how Haqq behaved by refusing to shake hands with any females, both muslim and non-muslim. They are afraid of the contact so shut themselves off.

 

I worked as you know in and around London for years and none of the Muslims I came across were like that. I am not saying that these kind of nutcases do not exist because they do. What I think the program did well was show that out of the ten people in the house they all had different views of Islam, integration and their outlook on the world. If they are truly representative of Muslim society in Britain then for me it was encouraging. I posted it on here because its been discussed a fair bit over the past few months and I wanted to see if having watched it if it had changed anyone's views. Thankfully out of the ten I would say there was only one that I would have considered radicalised or of the type that seems to fit the stereotype you describe. He was a boxer and only converted to ISLAM eleven years ago.

 

Some I didnt care for and it just confirmed to me that an Ahole is an ahole despite what religion or colour they are. The older lady (Forget her name) was spot on though. A real wise woman. Stop hiding behind the culture and integrate (or something along those lines) was her parting shot and the Shia girl just suggesting that you just go and talk to them, say hello. I think integration is a two way street really. I hope broadcasting this helps bridge what appears to be a widening gap on both sides.

 

I agree with your first para. Haqq was the boxer with extremist views who none really took a liking to despite trying hard with him. The older lady was Saba and i understood better in part 2 how and why she was much wiser. Not just wisdom with age but in her youth she'd trekked around the Far East and lived as a hippie. She'd been around longer than any of the others.....been there, done that and got the T-shirt as the saying goes. Haqq wasn't the only one on the receiving end of her sharp no nonsense tongue either. She gave short shrift to Nabil (the big black guy) when he pulled the race card.

 

In short, Saba didn't suffer fools gladly!

 

Zohra was the Shia lady who evil minded Haqq reduced to tears. She reminded me of Darshna Soni, a news reader on Channel 4.

 

Talking of wisdom with age, have you seen the YT clip of the old lady giving IS men a tongue lashing? :D

 

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Archiesgrandad - 2016-12-14 4:01 PM

 

I have a feeling that anyone willing to do this on television is unlikely to be representative of anyone other than people who want to be on television.

One of the best chauffeurs that we ever employed was a Muslim, a lovely guy who's faith was deep, and who's company I enjoyed immensely, and he was very critical of the terrorists. We spoke one day about people who supported terrorism by sending money to a madrassa, he said he did it, but only to make sure that his branch of Islam would ultimately prevail.

AGD

 

There will always be an X Factor/Big Brother element about this type of programme as the format on both has proved a winner with viewers and in the case of X Factor, hugely increased Cowells wealth! The best representation really would be found among your own neighbours.

 

The taxi company i use has a few Muslim drivers from various countries. They have a couple of Indian drivers as well and i asked if they ever fell out over political differences. He laughed as he told me one of the Indian guys was his best mate and the only thing they fell out over was cricket and football!

 

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it , though it does seem by the reviews on here that it's really good TV ... I did see an advert for it with a fella saying " I'm black and Muslim and some people hate me " ... Kinda put me off ... Those tolerant Muslims who live in Tower Hamlets seem like a nice bunch ... The Islamification of the area well under way ... Folk getting hospitalized for smoking in public during Ramadam , gay pub stormed by up to 30 Muslims threatening those inside , white teacher attacked for daring to teach about Islam , Muslim gangs enforcing wearing of the veil and the local police face accusations of covering up the Islamic street patrols ... London , dontcha just love it.

 

Tower Hamlets is not representative of London just as Richmond where my son lives isn't. Both are chalk 'n cheese. It's like comparing Moss Side in Manchester to Altrincham or Salford Quays.

 

Most cities, including Huddersfield no doubt, you will find both bad and good areas.

 

Incidentally the man attacked for smoking during Ramadam was Muslim himself, not that that makes it any better but shows how stupid extremism is in whatever form. Just as bats as the loopy lot filling their heads with white supremacist rubbish.

 

 

 

Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 7:04 PM

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-14 4:36 PM

 

I've not watched it,

 

Give it a go.

 

Fear fuels racism and xenophobia Barry whichever side of the fence it's on. Ironically it's fear which seeps into the minds of the vulnerable and radicalises them. It's comparable to how Haqq behaved by refusing to shake hands with any females, both muslim and non-muslim. They are afraid of the contact so shut themselves off.

 

I worked as you know in and around London for years and none of the Muslims I came across were like that. I am not saying that these kind of nutcases do not exist because they do. What I think the program did well was show that out of the ten people in the house they all had different views of Islam, integration and their outlook on the world. If they are truly representative of Muslim society in Britain then for me it was encouraging. I posted it on here because its been discussed a fair bit over the past few months and I wanted to see if having watched it if it had changed anyone's views. Thankfully out of the ten I would say there was only one that I would have considered radicalised or of the type that seems to fit the stereotype you describe. He was a boxer and only converted to ISLAM eleven years ago.

 

Some I didnt care for and it just confirmed to me that an Ahole is an ahole despite what religion or colour they are. The older lady (Forget her name) was spot on though. A real wise woman. Stop hiding behind the culture and integrate (or something along those lines) was her parting shot and the Shia girl just suggesting that you just go and talk to them, say hello. I think integration is a two way street really. I hope broadcasting this helps bridge what appears to be a widening gap on both sides.

 

I agree with your first para. Haqq was the boxer with extremist views who none really took a liking to despite trying hard with him. The older lady was Saba and i understood better in part 2 how and why she was much wiser. Not just wisdom with age but in her youth she'd trekked around the Far East and lived as a hippie. She'd been around longer than any of the others.....been there, done that and got the T-shirt as the saying goes. Haqq wasn't the only one on the receiving end of her sharp no nonsense tongue either. She gave short shrift to Nabil (the big black guy) when he pulled the race card.

 

In short, Saba didn't suffer fools gladly!

 

Zohra was the Shia lady who evil minded Haqq reduced to tears. She reminded me of Darshna Soni, a news reader on Channel 4.

 

Talking of wisdom with age, have you seen the YT clip of the old lady giving IS men a tongue lashing? :D

 

 

Huddersfield isn't a city ... Tower Hamlets will become more the norm in larger areas of London ... No go areas for non-Muslims ... Just like in Paris , Cologne , Antwerp , Malmo ... Its not fear of racism that keeps non-Muslims out of such areas its fear of getting a good hiding or worse ... Your fear theory , Ive known some , who you'd call racists in my time but I don't recall fear being the reason they have a dislike for someone ... Could you please explain for a simple country boy your fear theory

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Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 8:48 PM

 

Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

 

If the 10 are typical of Muslims in the UK then we can assume 10% are "Bat Sh1t crazy" ;-) .........and 10% of 3 million is a lot 8-) .........and considering 1.5 million weren't born here, so are less likely to be Westernised I'd say the figure of 10% is a underestimate :-| ........

 

 

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Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 8:48 PM

 

Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

 

If the 10 are typical of Muslims in the UK then we can assume 10% are "Bat Sh1t crazy" ;-) .........and 10% of 3 million is a lot 8-) .........and considering 1.5 million weren't born here, so are less likely to be Westernised I'd say the figure of 10% is a underestimate :-| ........

 

I think AGD made a very good point and I agree with him that it is unlikely that this was the kind of programme that would attract participants who are wholly representative of any particular group. Nevertheless I don’t think the programme makers lay claim to have represented in exact proportion the views of the Muslim population of the UK. A group of 10 Christians would hardly cover the varying beliefs in such a broad cohort. They just wanted to portray that Muslims are as diverse and as divided in their beliefs and in the way they go about their lives as the rest of us in the UK. That is not to deny that there is a threat to our security from extremists who regard themselves as an elite that are the only true followers of Islam. The programme showed how those who espouse such views exhibit contempt for other Muslims from different cultures and nationalities as well as those they consider typically British. The voices of moderate Muslims who speak out against Haqq and people like him are rarely heard in the popular press. The programme provided a wakeup call for those of both liberal and illiberal bent. In particular I was given a lasting impression that you can’t reason with people like Haqq who was probably punched too many times in his already stupid head by better boxers. He is clearly dangerous and I’m glad he remains under surveillance.

 

Veronica

 

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Violet1956 - 2016-12-15 6:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2016-12-15 8:21 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 8:48 PM

 

Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

 

If the 10 are typical of Muslims in the UK then we can assume 10% are "Bat Sh1t crazy" ;-) .........and 10% of 3 million is a lot 8-) .........and considering 1.5 million weren't born here, so are less likely to be Westernised I'd say the figure of 10% is a underestimate :-| ........

 

I think AGD made a very good point and I agree with him that it is unlikely that this was the kind of programme that would attract participants who are wholly representative of any particular group. Nevertheless I don’t think the programme makers lay claim to have represented in exact proportion the views of the Muslim population of the UK. A group of 10 Christians would hardly cover the varying beliefs in such a broad cohort. They just wanted to portray that Muslims are as diverse and as divided in their beliefs and in the way they go about their lives as the rest of us in the UK. That is not to deny that there is a threat to our security from extremists who regard themselves as an elite that are the only true followers of Islam. The programme showed how those who espouse such views exhibit contempt for other Muslims from different cultures and nationalities as well as those they consider typically British. The voices of moderate Muslims who speak out against Haqq and people like him are rarely heard in the popular press. The programme provided a wakeup call for those of both liberal and illiberal bent. In particular I was given a lasting impression that you can’t reason with people like Haqq who was probably punched too many times in his already stupid head by better boxers. He is clearly dangerous and I’m glad he remains under surveillance.

 

Veronica

 

Not watched it but taking 10 Muslims who provide supposedly good telly is not representative of anything . good or bad ... Happy viewing though

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antony1969 - 2016-12-15 6:17 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2016-12-15 6:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2016-12-15 8:21 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 8:48 PM

 

Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

 

If the 10 are typical of Muslims in the UK then we can assume 10% are "Bat Sh1t crazy" ;-) .........and 10% of 3 million is a lot 8-) .........and considering 1.5 million weren't born here, so are less likely to be Westernised I'd say the figure of 10% is a underestimate :-| ........

 

I think AGD made a very good point and I agree with him that it is unlikely that this was the kind of programme that would attract participants who are wholly representative of any particular group. Nevertheless I don’t think the programme makers lay claim to have represented in exact proportion the views of the Muslim population of the UK. A group of 10 Christians would hardly cover the varying beliefs in such a broad cohort. They just wanted to portray that Muslims are as diverse and as divided in their beliefs and in the way they go about their lives as the rest of us in the UK. That is not to deny that there is a threat to our security from extremists who regard themselves as an elite that are the only true followers of Islam. The programme showed how those who espouse such views exhibit contempt for other Muslims from different cultures and nationalities as well as those they consider typically British. The voices of moderate Muslims who speak out against Haqq and people like him are rarely heard in the popular press. The programme provided a wakeup call for those of both liberal and illiberal bent. In particular I was given a lasting impression that you can’t reason with people like Haqq who was probably punched too many times in his already stupid head by better boxers. He is clearly dangerous and I’m glad he remains under surveillance.

 

Veronica

 

Not watched it but taking 10 Muslims who provide supposedly good telly is not representative of anything . good or bad ... Happy viewing though

 

I would have more respect for your views about the two programmes Antony whatever they were if you had watched them. Steel yourself and take a look; it's not comfortable viewing but at least it challenges the preconceived ideas we all have when trying to understand people of differing backgrounds and faiths.

 

Veronica

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Violet1956 - 2016-12-15 6:38 PM

 

antony1969 - 2016-12-15 6:17 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2016-12-15 6:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2016-12-15 8:21 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2016-12-14 8:48 PM

 

Fair enough but isnt it a bit like saying all white British born christian people are EDL members?

 

We see posts saying they refuse to integrate, are all probably terrorists or want to bring in Sharia law or are radicalising the youngsters etc etc. Yet thats not what I saw in the program apart from one bloke who to quote one of the other Muslims is "Bat Sh1t crazy".

 

Is it right to tar so many people with the same brush?

 

If the 10 are typical of Muslims in the UK then we can assume 10% are "Bat Sh1t crazy" ;-) .........and 10% of 3 million is a lot 8-) .........and considering 1.5 million weren't born here, so are less likely to be Westernised I'd say the figure of 10% is a underestimate :-| ........

 

I think AGD made a very good point and I agree with him that it is unlikely that this was the kind of programme that would attract participants who are wholly representative of any particular group. Nevertheless I don’t think the programme makers lay claim to have represented in exact proportion the views of the Muslim population of the UK. A group of 10 Christians would hardly cover the varying beliefs in such a broad cohort. They just wanted to portray that Muslims are as diverse and as divided in their beliefs and in the way they go about their lives as the rest of us in the UK. That is not to deny that there is a threat to our security from extremists who regard themselves as an elite that are the only true followers of Islam. The programme showed how those who espouse such views exhibit contempt for other Muslims from different cultures and nationalities as well as those they consider typically British. The voices of moderate Muslims who speak out against Haqq and people like him are rarely heard in the popular press. The programme provided a wakeup call for those of both liberal and illiberal bent. In particular I was given a lasting impression that you can’t reason with people like Haqq who was probably punched too many times in his already stupid head by better boxers. He is clearly dangerous and I’m glad he remains under surveillance.

 

Veronica

 

Not watched it but taking 10 Muslims who provide supposedly good telly is not representative of anything . good or bad ... Happy viewing though

 

I would have more respect for your views about the two programmes Antony whatever they were if you had watched them. Steel yourself and take a look; it's not comfortable viewing but at least it challenges the preconceived ideas we all have when trying to understand people of differing backgrounds and faiths.

 

Veronica

 

No thank you .. Ive said previously I need not drive too far to sample the delights of that world and its no-go areas so a TV give me fame quick programme is not something that can add to that

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