John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Has someone torpedo'd your post John?.........as its sunk without trace :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-23 11:05 AM Has someone torpedo'd your post John?.........as its sunk without trace :D ....... I must have pressed the enter button before I started typing. So the thread went up blank. Just edited it now :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 11:03 AM Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Why ? Knowing that a missile test went wrong would not have stopped the renewal of Trident. ( In fact it might make it more important to renew if it doesn't work properly ) If a train breaks down between London and Birmingham I don't expect HS2 to be cancelled. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 We used to celebrate if we managed to hit the target ;-) .............It didn't happen very often :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 malc d - 2017-01-23 11:21 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:03 AM Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Why ? Knowing that a missile test went wrong would not have stopped the renewal of Trident. ( In fact it might make it more important to renew if it doesn't work properly ) If a train breaks down between London and Birmingham I don't expect HS2 to be cancelled. ;-) How do you know? They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 11:30 AM malc d - 2017-01-23 11:21 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:03 AM Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Why ? Knowing that a missile test went wrong would not have stopped the renewal of Trident. ( In fact it might make it more important to renew if it doesn't work properly ) If a train breaks down between London and Birmingham I don't expect HS2 to be cancelled. ;-) How do you know? They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? As I understand it.....It wasn't armed, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a fail safe system built in ;-) ......... So a non issue really :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-23 11:38 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:30 AM malc d - 2017-01-23 11:21 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:03 AM Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Why ? Knowing that a missile test went wrong would not have stopped the renewal of Trident. ( In fact it might make it more important to renew if it doesn't work properly ) If a train breaks down between London and Birmingham I don't expect HS2 to be cancelled. ;-) How do you know? They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? As I understand it.....It wasn't armed, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a fail safe system built in ;-) ......... So a non issue really :D ....... 'Fail Safe'? How would being armed have prevented it going in the wrong direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 11:55 AM pelmetman - 2017-01-23 11:38 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:30 AM malc d - 2017-01-23 11:21 AM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:03 AM Theresa May 4 times refused to answer the question of whether she knew a test missile had veered of course towards the US before the Commons vote on replacing Trident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38711418 Reminds me of Thatcher and the Belgrano? Why ? Knowing that a missile test went wrong would not have stopped the renewal of Trident. ( In fact it might make it more important to renew if it doesn't work properly ) If a train breaks down between London and Birmingham I don't expect HS2 to be cancelled. ;-) How do you know? They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? As I understand it.....It wasn't armed, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a fail safe system built in ;-) ......... So a non issue really :D ....... 'Fail Safe'? How would being armed have prevented it going in the wrong direction? Because the rocket part is separate to the warhead, so I would imagine there is a big "ABORT" button somewhere for whoever fired it to push, once they realised some nutter had written "To Trump" on it :D ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Wouldn't have happened had Jeremy been in charge ... You could have pressed that button as many times as you like but nothing of any use would have come out ... Bit like Jeremys mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-01-23 12:56 PM Wouldn't have happened had Jeremy been in charge ... You could have pressed that button as many times as you like but nothing of any use would have come out ... Bit like Jeremys mouth Wouldn't that be preferably to sending a nuclear warhead the wrong way like Corporal Jones sending one up that came back down on themselves *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-23 12:16 PM I would imagine there is a big "ABORT" button Can you imagine where the missile will go when your imaginary button is pressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 11:30 AM They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? A nuclear warhead did not go in the wrong direction - ( - and it appears that Theresa May was not prime minister when it happened, so I see no connection with the Belgrano and Margaret Thatcher ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 1:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-01-23 12:56 PM Wouldn't have happened had Jeremy been in charge ... You could have pressed that button as many times as you like but nothing of any use would have come out ... Bit like Jeremys mouth Wouldn't that be preferably to sending a nuclear warhead the wrong way like Corporal Jones sending one up that came back down on themselves *-) You do know it wasn't armed don't ya ... Explain why its Theresa Mays Belgrano moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 malc d - 2017-01-23 2:18 PM John52 - 2017-01-23 11:30 AM They might think a nuclear warhead going in the wrong direction is more serious than a train breaking down? A nuclear warhead did not go in the wrong direction - ( - and it appears that Theresa May was not prime minister when it happened, so I see no connection with the Belgrano and Margaret Thatcher ). A missile designed to carry a nuclear warhead went in the wrong direction. So if Putin threatens us with nuclear missiles May can fire some back. She just doesn't know where they will go *-) PS: May's connection with Thatcher is they both ignore the question they are asked, and answer the question they want to be asked *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I’d question the suitability for office of any member of parliament who thinks that Theresa May should have opened up a discussion in the House of Commons about a problem that had occurred during a test of our nuclear deterrent. Do any of them really think they have the knowledge to decide whether the incident reflects on whether they should vote in keeping it without being given further details which should never be made public? If they do they are deluded and dangerous. *-) Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-01-23 2:41 PM I’d question the suitability for office of any member of parliament who thinks that Theresa May should have opened up a discussion in the House of Commons about a problem that had occurred during a test of our nuclear deterrent. Do any of them really think they have the knowledge to decide whether the incident reflects on whether they should vote in keeping it without being given further details which should never be made public? If they do they are deluded and dangerous. *-) Veronica Don't you think that if they could have kept this quiet they would? They haven't managed to censor the internet yet. If they think they could fire a long range missile in the wrong direction without anyone finding out and broadcasting it on the internet they must be the ones who are deluded. They could only ever keep it from Parliament until after the commons vote. PS: In any case does it force her to evade the question of when she knew about it? Or at least be honest and say she won't answer, instead of ignoring the question she has been asked, instead answering questions she has not been asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 These missiles are made in America, so it could be that this one was homesick ? ;-) p.s. It's very rare for any politician to give a straight answer to a straight question - so why pick on Theresa May ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I saw the interview on BBC's Andrew Marr programme. What was more embarrassing was May's refusal to answer the question four times and she just came across as a complete prat. However these test fire missiles often have a habit of flying off in the wrong direction. What else can be expected when buying American rubbish from Lockheed? On a smaller scale but just as important, occasionally we had issues with bullets veering off to the right. The factory MD once received a phone call from a very irate farmer whose land backed on to the factory complaining about bullets whizzing over his cattle and upsetting them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-trident-andrew-marr-interview-cover-up-watch-video-a7539896.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-23 2:46 PM Violet1956 - 2017-01-23 2:41 PM I’d question the suitability for office of any member of parliament who thinks that Theresa May should have opened up a discussion in the House of Commons about a problem that had occurred during a test of our nuclear deterrent. Do any of them really think they have the knowledge to decide whether the incident reflects on whether they should vote in keeping it without being given further details which should never be made public? If they do they are deluded and dangerous. *-) Veronica Don't you think that if they could have kept this quiet they would? They haven't managed to censor the internet yet. If they think they could fire a long range missile in the wrong direction without anyone finding out and broadcasting it on the internet they must be the ones who are deluded. They could only ever keep it from Parliament until after the commons vote. PS: In any case does it force her to evade the question of when she knew about it? Or at least be honest and say she won't answer, instead of ignoring the question she has been asked, instead answering questions she has not been asked. It is of no great concern to me that incident would become public knowledge eventually I just don't want the world to know what went wrong John either before the vote or after it. I don't see how the MPs that are whingeing about it feel they stood to benefit from being given the simple fact that it happened in terms of how they should vote. On what basis could they say that the incident showed them that Trident should be abandoned? There may be several good reasons why people want it to be abandoned but the fact that this happened without more detail being available than should enter the public domain surely can't be one of them. Her evasion was a bit clumsy perhaps but she doesn't have all the art of a good PM yet and who knows she may never acquire it. She needs to listen to a few experts about how that type of question could have been tackled better. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that detailing when exactly she heard about it might give our potential enemies a little more information than they should know. An extract from a BBC report reads- "But former nuclear submarine commander and Ulster Unionist Party assembly member, Steve Aiken, told Today that any fault "would have been sorted out". "There is a convention that we don't talk about the deterrent... because that is the nature of the deterrent - it is about the security of this nation and I would fully support the prime minister in avoiding those questions," he said." Good enough for me. Idiots don't get put in charge of nuclear submarines but some idiots have been voted in as members of parliament. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It was a test ... You test things to correct faults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 For goodness sake.....it was a bloomin TEST!!! To those who think all and everything should be made public I refer you to the quote from 'A Few Good Men': To select a few appropriate extracts...... 1 You want the truth......You cant handle the truth! 2 We live in a world that has walls, and those have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it you? 3 You have that luxury, you have the luxury of not knowing what I know....... 4 I have neither the time,or the inclination, to explain myself to a man, who rises and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner, in which I provide it. I'd rather you just say 'thank you' and go on your way. 5 Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn, what you think you are entitled to! Basically it matters not why she refused to answer. It was in context of a State Defence activity and not everyone needs or indeed is entitled to know everything.Those who moan and dare I say 'jeer' at the result of the test should just think on this: If military equipment or indeed anything we use or make use of was not 'tested' before being put into service/public domain I bet a £1 to 1p the first in the queue to sue when something goes wrong will be those 'liberal woolly' moaners we have to suffer today. It's time the moaning and whining stopped and the collective got behind the country to ensure it/we can stand tall and proud again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 RogerC - 2017-01-23 4:13 PMFor goodness sake.....it was a bloomin TEST!!! To those who think all and everything should be made public I refer you to the quote from 'A Few Good Men':To select a few appropriate extracts......1 You want the truth......You cant handle the truth! 2 We live in a world that has walls, and those have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it you?3 You have that luxury, you have the luxury of not knowing what I know.......4 I have neither the time,or the inclination, to explain myself to a man, who rises and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner, in which I provide it. I'd rather you just say 'thank you' and go on your way. 5 Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn, what you think you are entitled to!LOL.......but Kaffee still stuffed him good 'n proper didn't he? :D Just happens to be one of my favourite courtroom scenes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-01-23 4:02 PM "But former nuclear submarine commander and Ulster Unionist Party assembly member, Steve Aiken, told Today that any fault "would have been sorted out". What ywould you expect him to say? I expect if you had asked him before the test whether a missile could go off in the wrong direction he would have said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-01-23 4:02 PM It was a test ... You test things to correct faults How do they test a real nuclear missile? And what if they can't correct faults in their nuclear weapons? Do they withdraw them from service, or feed us with b*lls**t and bluff it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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