Canada ... Whose to blame ??

[antony1969]

Listening to the Beeb seems they thought it was President Trump ... Hats off to Nicky Campbell though who destroyed Shami Chakyabotty , her who found no anti semitism in the Labour Party ... She's calling for the state visit of President Trump to be cancelled ... She wasn't crying when China's top dog got the red carpet and she didn't say she wouldn't want state visits by the heads of countries that ban Jews ... How silly these people look

[starvin marvin]

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 8:20 AM

 

Listening to the Beeb seems they thought it was President Trump ... Hats off to Nicky Campbell though who destroyed Shami Chakyabotty , her who found no anti semitism in the Labour Party ... She's calling for the state visit of President Trump to be cancelled ... She wasn't crying when China's top dog got the red carpet and she didn't say she wouldn't want state visits by the heads of countries that ban Jews ... How silly these people look

 

You really need to get out more.

[RogerC]

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 8:20 AMListening to the Beeb seems they thought it was President Trump ... Hats off to Nicky Campbell though who destroyed Shami Chakyabotty , her who found no anti semitism in the Labour Party ... She's calling for the state visit of President Trump to be cancelled ... She wasn't crying when China's top dog got the red carpet and she didn't say she wouldn't want state visits by the heads of countries that ban Jews ... How silly these people look

You mean 'Baroness' .....deference please  :-)

So what would you expect from a barrister who was director of 'Liberty' for over 12 years......and from a little research has never in her 'adult' life worked outside of the Westminster' bubble.....was on the governing board of the LSE when it accepted £1.5 million from Gadaffi's son....so there are some questionable aspects to her outpourings.

As for Canada....it's yet another unjustifiable despicable act and whoever carried it out.....well in today's liberal society I fear there is nothing in the legal lexicon that would come close to delivering the punishment they deserve.

RIP to those poor souls and may those left to grieve find comfort.

[antony1969]

RogerC - 2017-01-30 1:10 PM

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 8:20 AMListening to the Beeb seems they thought it was President Trump ... Hats off to Nicky Campbell though who destroyed Shami Chakyabotty , her who found no anti semitism in the Labour Party ... She's calling for the state visit of President Trump to be cancelled ... She wasn't crying when China's top dog got the red carpet and she didn't say she wouldn't want state visits by the heads of countries that ban Jews ... How silly these people look

You mean 'Baroness' .....deference please  :-)

So what would you expect from a barrister who was director of 'Liberty' for over 12 years......and from a little research has never in her 'adult' life worked outside of the Westminster' bubble.....was on the governing board of the LSE when it accepted £1.5 million from Gadaffi's son....so there are some questionable aspects to her outpourings.

As for Canada....it's yet another unjustifiable despicable act and whoever carried it out.....well in today's liberal society I fear there is nothing in the legal lexicon that would come close to delivering the punishment they deserve.

RIP to those poor souls and may those left to grieve find comfort.

Yes I suppose she worked hard for the Baroness title so its only fair I should use it ... Her outpourings are questionable as is her credibility ... Yet another Labour type who preaches to us about one thing then sends her boy to private school ... I'll cut her some slack she knew nothing about it as her ex-husband had dealt with all the school dealings and the first she knew about her boys private education was when the newspapers found out and let her know ;-)

[Violet1956]

Perhaps it's time to remind ourselves (myself included) of the various types of fallacious arguments that really get us nowhere when trying to supporting or defending a particular point of view. Here's a wiki article on the subject.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

e.g. Smoker tells son it's bad for him when he catches him having a crafty one behind the shed. He's a hypocrite but smoking is still bad for you no?

 

Veronica

[Guest pelmetman]

Violet1956 - 2017-01-30 1:33 PM

 

Perhaps it's time to remind ourselves (myself included) of the various types of fallacious arguments that really get us nowhere when trying to supporting or defending a particular point of view. Here's a wiki article on the subject.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

e.g. Smoker tells son it's bad for him when he catches him having a crafty one behind the shed. He's a hypocrite but smoking is still bad for you no?

 

Veronica

 

I've never smoked :D .........

[Guest pelmetman]

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 1:29 PM

RogerC - 2017-01-30 1:10 PM

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 8:20 AMListening to the Beeb seems they thought it was President Trump ... Hats off to Nicky Campbell though who destroyed Shami Chakyabotty , her who found no anti semitism in the Labour Party ... She's calling for the state visit of President Trump to be cancelled ... She wasn't crying when China's top dog got the red carpet and she didn't say she wouldn't want state visits by the heads of countries that ban Jews ... How silly these people look

You mean 'Baroness' .....deference please  :-)

So what would you expect from a barrister who was director of 'Liberty' for over 12 years......and from a little research has never in her 'adult' life worked outside of the Westminster' bubble.....was on the governing board of the LSE when it accepted £1.5 million from Gadaffi's son....so there are some questionable aspects to her outpourings.

As for Canada....it's yet another unjustifiable despicable act and whoever carried it out.....well in today's liberal society I fear there is nothing in the legal lexicon that would come close to delivering the punishment they deserve.

RIP to those poor souls and may those left to grieve find comfort.

Yes I suppose she worked hard for the Baroness title so its only fair I should use it ... Her outpourings are questionable as is her credibility ... Yet another Labour type who preaches to us about one thing then sends her boy to private school ... I'll cut her some slack she knew nothing about it as her ex-husband had dealt with all the school dealings and the first she knew about her boys private education was when the newspapers found out and let her know ;-)

How could you say such a think about no Shame Chuckerdummy? 8-) ........She's a grade A Liberal/Labour Luvvy ;-) .......With a masters degree in hypocrisy :D ......

[antony1969]

pelmetman - 2017-01-30 2:25 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-01-30 1:33 PM

 

Perhaps it's time to remind ourselves (myself included) of the various types of fallacious arguments that really get us nowhere when trying to supporting or defending a particular point of view. Here's a wiki article on the subject.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

e.g. Smoker tells son it's bad for him when he catches him having a crafty one behind the shed. He's a hypocrite but smoking is still bad for you no?

 

Veronica

 

I've never smoked :D .........

 

I have but like Bill "I didn't inhale" and I certainly did not have sexual relations with that woman

[Violet1956]

pelmetman - 2017-01-30 2:25 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-01-30 1:33 PM

 

Perhaps it's time to remind ourselves (myself included) of the various types of fallacious arguments that really get us nowhere when trying to supporting or defending a particular point of view. Here's a wiki article on the subject.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

e.g. Smoker tells son it's bad for him when he catches him having a crafty one behind the shed. He's a hypocrite but smoking is still bad for you no?

 

Veronica

 

I've never smoked :D .........

 

Would that be an attempt at a fallacious argument that you've never been guilty of hypocrisy either? ( clue the answer is in the Wiki article)

 

Veronica (AKA Fag Ash Lil) ;-)

[Violet1956]

antony1969 - 2017-01-30 2:37 PM

 

pelmetman - 2017-01-30 2:25 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-01-30 1:33 PM

 

Perhaps it's time to remind ourselves (myself included) of the various types of fallacious arguments that really get us nowhere when trying to supporting or defending a particular point of view. Here's a wiki article on the subject.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

e.g. Smoker tells son it's bad for him when he catches him having a crafty one behind the shed. He's a hypocrite but smoking is still bad for you no?

 

Veronica

 

I've never smoked :D .........

 

I have but like Bill "I didn't inhale" and I certainly did not have sexual relations with that woman

 

I think Trump would believe that the word fallacious relates to some of Bill’s misdeeds. ;-)

 

Veronica

[StuartO]

We don't seem to be discussing the Canadian attack on the mosque and who is to blame?  I'm not sure that seeking to apportion blame (is it Trump, the media, popularism, etc) takes us very far - any more than 1 million Brits joining the petition to cancel the invitation of President Trump to UK for a State Visit will achieve anything much.

 

As our PM said at the press conference in Turkey,  UK is responsible for UK's immigration policy and the US is responsible for the US's immigration policies.  Why are so many people in our Country unable to mind their own Country's business and keep their noses out of other people's?

 

[Guest pelmetman]

Starting to sound like a Muslim on Muslim attack.......

 

[Violet1956]

StuartO - 2017-01-30 3:58 PMWe don't seem to be discussing the Canadian attack on the mosque and who is to blame?  I'm not sure that seeking to apportion blame (is it Trump, the media, popularism, etc) takes us very far - any more than 1 million Brits joining the petition to cancel the invitation of President Trump to UK for a State Visit will achieve anything much.

 

As our PM said at the press conference in Turkey,  UK is responsible for UK's immigration policy and the US is responsible for the US's immigration policies.  Why are so many people in our Country unable to mind their own Country's business and keep their noses out of other people's?

I suppose it comes down to whether the President of the United States has a policy on immigration which is discriminatory on race or religious grounds rather than being a simple matter of deciding upon what border controls should be in place. The former is a legitimate issue for universal comment, the latter as you say is one entirely a matter for the US. We are free to comment on religious and or race discrimination wherever it exists in the world are we not Stuart? America prides itself on it's high standards in relation to freedom of thought conscience and religion and the US State Department comments freely and often criticises the failings of other countries in annual reports they issue about the degree to which other countries adhere to that principle. That makes them equally open to criticism from outside the US if they fail to live up to those standards in my view.Veronica

[Violet1956]

StuartO - 2017-01-30 3:58 PMWe don't seem to be discussing the Canadian attack on the mosque and who is to blame?  I'm not sure that seeking to apportion blame (is it Trump, the media, popularism, etc) takes us very far - any more than 1 million Brits joining the petition to cancel the invitation of President Trump to UK for a State Visit will achieve anything much.

 

As our PM said at the press conference in Turkey,  UK is responsible for UK's immigration policy and the US is responsible for the US's immigration policies.  Why are so many people in our Country unable to mind their own Country's business and keep their noses out of other people's?

Double post sorryVeronica

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2017-01-30 5:23 PM

 

Starting to sound like a Muslim on Muslim attack.......

 

Really???

 

Hate to disappoint you but he's a French-Canadian university student.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

[Bulletguy]

 

Mosque attack terrorist 27 year old French-Canadian Alexandre Bissonnette now charged with six counts of first degree murder. On his Facebook site removed since the arrest he also reportedly "liked" US President Donald Trump and French Front National leader Marine Le Pem.

 

No surprises there then. :-(

 

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau gave a very sincere and moving speech. Very professional, very ministerial.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38805163 :

[antony1969]

Whoever it is its sick and nobody can say otherwise ... Thats the difference you see I can see that , I dont try to condone the act or make excuses its just wrong and its also wrong to try and link Trump and Le Pen with it somehow ... but if it gets your point over

[StuartO]

Violet1956 - 2017-01-30 5:35 PM

StuartO - 2017-01-30 3:58 PMWe don't seem to be discussing the Canadian attack on the mosque and who is to blame?  I'm not sure that seeking to apportion blame (is it Trump, the media, popularism, etc) takes us very far - any more than 1 million Brits joining the petition to cancel the invitation of President Trump to UK for a State Visit will achieve anything much.

 

As our PM said at the press conference in Turkey,  UK is responsible for UK's immigration policy and the US is responsible for the US's immigration policies.  Why are so many people in our Country unable to mind their own Country's business and keep their noses out of other people's?

I suppose it comes down to whether the President of the United States has a policy on immigration which is discriminatory on race or religious grounds rather than being a simple matter of deciding upon what border controls should be in place. The former is a legitimate issue for universal comment, the latter as you say is one entirely a matter for the US. We are free to comment on religious and or race discrimination wherever it exists in the world are we not Stuart? America prides itself on it's high standards in relation to freedom of thought conscience and religion and the US State Department comments freely and often criticises the failings of other countries in annual reports they issue about the degree to which other countries adhere to that principle. That makes them equally open to criticism from outside the US if they fail to live up to those standards in my view.Veronica

 

There are lots of countries in the world where discrimination is practised, for example in South Africa big business has to appoint black people to senior positions (and so what are effectively token appointees with genuinely capable people working in the background) and in the Vatican you will probably find that the key psitions, perhaps all positions, are held by Catholics and in Israel they are all Jewish.  In predominantly muslim countries the leaders are all muslims, often of only one denomination.  In Northern Ireland we have had a power sharing arrangement based on religion as well as partisan affiliation.  Are you really suggesting that we in UK, the unelected ordinary, have the right (and perhaps even the duty?) to object loudly to all of this simply because some people choose to do things in their own country differently than we do in ours?

 

Freedom of speech needs to be exercised wisely and responsibly or it's being abused.

 

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-01-31 6:31 AM

 

Whoever it is its sick......

 

"Whoever it is".....????????? Are you blind??? I'd already posted and linked the detail seven hours before you made that comment. Obviously you couldn't bear to see it's a home grown radical white youth. Canadian born 'n bred.

 

....and its also wrong to try and link Trump and Le Pen with it somehow ...

 

No it's not. It's widely reported in all mainstream media he'd posted about them and "liked" both on his Facebook site which got taken down when police charged him. With luck someone may have grabbed a screenshot of it.

 

This thread will disappear now anyway because the terrorist doesn't fit the Muslim narrative. *-)

[Bulletguy]

This 24 year old Canadian was sentenced to 75 years with no parole for killing three RCMP officers three years ago. Hopefully that will prove to be the absolute minimum sentencing mass murdering scum Bissonnette receives.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/justin-bourque-gets-5-life-sentences-no-chance-of-parole-for-75-years-1.2818516

 

Former students who were at school with Bissonnette and others who knew him from social media have spoken out about him;

 

"Bissonnette was an “unpopular nerd,” and was not always taken seriously by classmates.“He replied to insults, but never with physical violence,” Labrecque Berger said, adding that he and his twin brother didn’t integrate with other students.

 

Another former classmate, Jean-Michel Allard-Prus, who studied politics with him, at Université Laval and has kept in touch with him, told Le Journal de Quebec that Bissonnette, “has right-wing political ideas, pro-Israel, anti-immigration. I had many debates with him about Trump. He was obviously pro-Trump.”

 

Vincent Boissoneault, who grew up with Bissonnette, was friends with him on Facebook, told the Globe and Mail, “I can tell you he was certainly no Muslim convert. I wrote him off as a xenophobe. I didn’t even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement.”

 

Acquaintances said he became interested in the far right movement when Marine Le Pen, the leader of the far-right National Front in France, spoke in Quebec City in March 2016.

 

Francois Deschamps, a committee member for the “Welcome to Refugees – Quebec City” group said Bissonnette was "known to several activists in Quebec City for his pro-Le Pen and anti-feminist identity positions at Université Laval and on social networks.” We see a lot of what extreme right-wing people do and say,” Deschamps told the newspaper. He said Bissonnette made statements on their Facebook page, “acting like a troll.”

 

Along with anti-immigrant and other right-wing beliefs, he also made anti-women’s rights remarks, Deschamps said.

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-01-31 4:17 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-01-31 6:31 AM

 

Whoever it is its sick......

 

"Whoever it is".....????????? Are you blind??? I'd already posted and linked the detail seven hours before you made that comment. Obviously you couldn't bear to see it's a home grown radical white youth. Canadian born 'n bred.

 

....and its also wrong to try and link Trump and Le Pen with it somehow ...

 

No it's not. It's widely reported in all mainstream media he'd posted about them and "liked" both on his Facebook site which got taken down when police charged him. With luck someone may have grabbed a screenshot of it.

 

This thread will disappear now anyway because the terrorist doesn't fit the Muslim narrative. *-)

 

Calm down ! ... I say whoever it is its sick and you go off on one that Im sad its a white youth ... Chill yaself fella ... Yes it is wrong to insinuate Le Pen and Trump were somehow responsible ... Charles Manson killed after believing The Beatles told him to do so... So are you blaming Lennon and McCartney for manson murders

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2017-01-31 8:40 PM

 

This 24 year old Canadian was sentenced to 75 years with no parole for killing three RCMP officers three years ago. Hopefully that will prove to be the absolute minimum sentencing mass murdering scum Bissonnette receives.

 

Eh?.....that does not compute? :-| .......

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-01-31 8:59 PM

 

Calm down ! ... I say whoever it is its sick and you go off on one

 

Antony it was reported in cold hard print who it was last night plus in the post preceding yours yet you then post "whoever it was..." . *-)

 

He's a right wing nut job whose going to be locked away for a VERY long time and rot slowly away in his stinking cell.

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2017-01-31 9:34 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-01-31 8:40 PM

 

This 24 year old Canadian was sentenced to 75 years with no parole for killing three RCMP officers three years ago. Hopefully that will prove to be the absolute minimum sentencing mass murdering scum Bissonnette receives.

 

Eh?.....that does not compute? :-| ......

 

Because you never opened the link did you? Try reading Dave. *-)

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2017-01-31 10:20 PM

 

pelmetman - 2017-01-31 9:34 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-01-31 8:40 PM

 

This 24 year old Canadian was sentenced to 75 years with no parole for killing three RCMP officers three years ago. Hopefully that will prove to be the absolute minimum sentencing mass murdering scum Bissonnette receives.

 

Eh?.....that does not compute? :-| ......

 

Because you never opened the link did you? Try reading Dave. *-)

 

Oops my mistake I thought you were talking about the topic ;-) ........