Arkansas allows rapists to sue victims

[Bulletguy]

Staggering. 8-)

 

Obama moved to permanently protect womens abortion rights but now it seems this is yet something else being unpicked with Arkansas leading the way to be the "go to" place for all rapists. *-)

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/barack-obama-permanently-protects-womens-right-to-abortion-planned-parenthood-donald-trump-a7411401.html

 

Arkansas has now passed through a law allowing rapists to sue victims who become pregnant and seek abortion. Also a pregnant woman's husband will have the power to stop her from having an abortion, even in cases of spousal rape.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/arkansas-abortion-law-that-will-let-rapists-sue-victims-husbands-second-trimester-a7561066.html

 

Cecily Kellogg, who almost died from preeclampsia, wrote a very forceful attack on Trump after he spouted lies about abortion during the campaign saying babies should not be “ripped from the womb” and they can be “ripped out" as late as “the ninth month and the final day”.

 

She wrote; Babies are not ripped out you f***ing asshole. What you described last night literally never happens. EVER. Nope, not once. Not ever. In EVERY SINGLE CASE of pregnancy termination done in the final trimester of pregnancy it is because the mom is dying or the baby’s condition is incompatible with life. If a baby is near full term and the mother is sick — say, like me, dying from a pregnancy related disease like preeclampsia—they deliver the f***ing baby alive if possible.

 

In fact, if the baby is past viability, they will whisk it to the NICU [neonatal intensive care unit] once born and do their damnedest to save that baby’s life.”

 

I think she makes her message pretty clear.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cecily-kellogg-medium-donald-trump-ripping-from-womb-pro-life-choice-essay-a7374051.html

[nowtelse2do]

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 12:14 AM

 

Staggering. 8-)

 

Bloody unbelievable. I wonder how many women were on the panel when that was passed. *-)

 

Dave

[Bulletguy]

nowtelse2do - 2017-02-06 5:50 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 12:14 AM

 

Staggering. 8-)

 

Bloody unbelievable. I wonder how many women were on the panel when that was passed. *-)

 

Dave

 

I don't know but Arkansas signed it within hours of the Senate approving the ban, despite having five days. Six more states have signed it as well now, Kansas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana. Even doctors are now at risk of being sued if they carry out an abortion. US is becoming the rape country of the world.

 

I could post up a link but it's from the "pro life" fundamentalists and peppered with extreme emotive descriptions, a' la Trump style. Pretty horrible stuff. I'd sooner hear or read first hand from women or gynaecologists than a bunch of crazed loons.

[antony1969]

"Go to place for all rapists" ... Are you suggesting that someone is going to rape someone just to get them pregnant and where is your evidence that any of this has led to the "US becoming the rape capital of the world"

[colin]

nowtelse2do - 2017-02-06 5:50 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 12:14 AM

 

Staggering. 8-)

 

Bloody unbelievable. I wonder how many women were on the panel when that was passed. *-)

 

Dave

 

Yes it is unbelievable that rapists should be able to sue victims, that's because it's not true.

[Bulletguy]

nowtelse2do - 2017-02-06 5:50 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 12:14 AM

 

Staggering. 8-)

 

Bloody unbelievable. I wonder how many women were on the panel when that was passed. *-)

 

Dave

 

Regarding Arkansas.

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

colin - 2017-02-06 7:33 PM

 

Yes it is unbelievable that rapists should be able to sue victims, that's because it's not true.

 

Only spousal rape. Husbands cannot sue their wife but can sue the doctor.

 

 

Under a new Arkansas state law women can be barred from having an abortion by their spouse or family member, even in instances of spousal rape or incest. The "Unborn Child Protection From Dismemberment Abortion Act," which became Act 45 after it was signed into law by Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson last week, is one of the most restrictive anti-abortion legislations in the country.

 

The law also contains a frightening clause that enables a woman's husband to sue the doctor who performs her abortion for monetary damages. Husbands are also able to file civil lawsuits seeking injunctive relief, or a court order to prevent the abortion from taking place. In cases of spousal rape, classified as "criminal conduct," husbands cannot sue for monetary damages but are still given the right to sue for injunctive relief and block an abortion. In the case of pregnant minors, parents or legal guardians can sue.

[candapack]

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 8:54 PM

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

BG, I'm generally on your side on the Trump/Brexit threads.

But, while I think you can get away with "25, all male bar one woman", when it's nearly 25% women, you need to say "mostly" male.

(I'm feeling pedantic tonight)

[Bulletguy]

candapack - 2017-02-06 9:19 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 8:54 PM

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

BG, I'm generally on your side on the Trump/Brexit threads.

But, while I think you can get away with "25, all male bar one woman", when it's nearly 25% women, you need to say "mostly" male.

(I'm feeling pedantic tonight)

 

Errm.......have a read of the number i wrote again!! :->

[candapack]

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 9:45 PM

 

candapack - 2017-02-06 9:19 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 8:54 PM

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

BG, I'm generally on your side on the Trump/Brexit threads.

But, while I think you can get away with "25, all male bar one woman", when it's nearly 25% women, you need to say "mostly" male.

(I'm feeling pedantic tonight)

 

Errm.......have a read of the number i wrote again!! :->

 

You wrote - "25 senators, all male bar 6 women"

I pointed out, perhaps clumsily, that if it was 25 senators, all male bar ONE woman, your wording might have been OK. But as from your figures women comprise nearly 25% of the Arkansas Senate, it is more honest to say it is MOSTLY male, rather than ALL male (except for some women).

 

[Bulletguy]

candapack - 2017-02-06 10:03 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 9:45 PM

 

candapack - 2017-02-06 9:19 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 8:54 PM

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

BG, I'm generally on your side on the Trump/Brexit threads.

But, while I think you can get away with "25, all male bar one woman", when it's nearly 25% women, you need to say "mostly" male.

(I'm feeling pedantic tonight)

 

Errm.......have a read of the number i wrote again!! :->

 

You wrote - "25 senators, all male bar 6 women"

I pointed out, perhaps clumsily, that if it was 25 senators, all male bar ONE woman, your wording might have been OK. But as from your figures women comprise nearly 25% of the Arkansas Senate, it is more honest to say it is MOSTLY male, rather than ALL male (except for some women).

 

Hhmm.......mere semantics. Still comes out the same no matter which way round you want to write it!!

[candapack]

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 10:34 PM

 

candapack - 2017-02-06 10:03 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 9:45 PM

 

candapack - 2017-02-06 9:19 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-02-06 8:54 PM

 

Total of 25 Senators on the committee........all male with the exception of six women.

 

 

BG, I'm generally on your side on the Trump/Brexit threads.

But, while I think you can get away with "25, all male bar one woman", when it's nearly 25% women, you need to say "mostly" male.

(I'm feeling pedantic tonight)

 

Errm.......have a read of the number i wrote again!! :->

 

You wrote - "25 senators, all male bar 6 women"

I pointed out, perhaps clumsily, that if it was 25 senators, all male bar ONE woman, your wording might have been OK. But as from your figures women comprise nearly 25% of the Arkansas Senate, it is more honest to say it is MOSTLY male, rather than ALL male (except for some women).

 

Hhmm.......mere semantics. Still comes out the same no matter which way round you want to write it!!

Agreed. Except it's pedantry, not semantics. Whatever, boring as ****.

Keep chipping away at the usual suspects, makes good reading.

To be honest, I don't really know why I chipped in here. Like you, I am 100% anti Trump, and anti Brexit. But in the same way that I cringe at Daily Mail style headlines, I felt your post was unnecessarily misleading.

[StuartO]

Abortion is a very difficult issue because there is a potential conflict between the interests of the woman and those of the unborn child.  Arkansas is Bible belt, so a lot of people believe the interests of an unborn child, in whatever circumstances conception took place, should be paramount.  So even a victim of rape has to go through with a pregnancy once it starts.

 

At the other end of the spectrum of views, some people believe that women should have the right to determine the pregnancy at any stage, even if the baby is potentially viable, because it's her body.  In some jurisdictions women are free to use drugs which precipitate early abortion as a contraceptive method.

 

And there is usually an expectation that if an abortion is lawful, a doctor will perform it on demand, even if he/she has ethical objections.  And no-one wants women going to back-street abortionists for lack of proper medical care.

 

It's a very difficult set of issues to resolve and it's no wonder people in different countries and religious/ethical contexts come to very different conclusions.  Their country/jurisdiction, their decision - or do we think that we in this country have to right to impose our decisions all over the world?

 

[starvin marvin]

StuartO - 2017-02-07 10:27 AMAbortion is a very difficult issue because there is a potential conflict between the interests of the woman and those of the unborn child.  Arkansas is Bible belt, so a lot of people believe the interests of an unborn child, in whatever circumstances conception took place, should be paramount.  So even a victim of rape has to go through with a pregnancy once it starts.

 

At the other end of the spectrum of views, some people believe that women should have the right to determine the pregnancy at any stage, even if the baby is potentially viable, because it's her body.  In some jurisdictions women are free to use drugs which precipitate early abortion as a contraceptive method.

 

And there is usually an expectation that if an abortion is lawful, a doctor will perform it on demand, even if he/she has ethical objections.  And no-one wants women going to back-street abortionists for lack of proper medical care.

 

It's a very difficult set of issues to resolve and it's no wonder people in different countries and religious/ethical contexts come to very different conclusions.  Their country/jurisdiction, their decision - or do we think that we in this country have to right to impose our decisions all over the world?

In my view it should always be the woman's right to choose....no if's, no but's.

[StuartO]

Dead easy to take a position like that in an isolated position and that's certainly one viewpoint, but the point I was trying to make is that there are lots of conflicting opinions, including very large numbers of people in the US Bible Belt who fundamentally (and in many cases violently) disagree.  Does that not matter?

 

And even if your parliament passes a law to give women the absolute right to decide, how do you solve the problem of persuading doctors, who feel they were trained to save life rather than take life, to do the abortions if they don't want to?  And if you live in America, the problem of the bible bashers turning up with explosives and guns to destroy abortion clinics?