John52 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Ironic that the crash in the pound caused by the Brexit vote has led to supermarkets having to increase prices, which they are doing craftily by replacing pint beer bottles with smaller half litre ones :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-02-23 11:55 AM Ironic that the crash in the pound caused by the Brexit vote has led to supermarkets having to increase prices, which they are doing craftily by replacing pint beer bottles with smaller half litre ones :D So what was their excuse in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2016 when the exchange rate was 1.18 euro to the pound like it is today? ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Strange.....I don't recall buying supermarket beer in anything other than metric measures for some time now....... Maybe yours was flogging off old stock and just recently ran out of it..... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yes it's true all our bottled or canned beers are sold in metric but here is an example of what John means. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/bulmers-cider-accused-conning-drinkers-8889125 568ml is one imperial pint........or for the pedants, 0.99954020226939. 500ml is not so whilst the price remains the same, you are getting less beer. Expect those prices to rise though. Its not the only item affected though. I've noticed weight reductions from 450g to 400g on packed meals. The packaging looks the same but you are getting 50g less which is quite a significant drop. There are numerous examples of "shrink shop -rising prices" post-Brexit, perhaps one of the most cynical being the Brexit Toblerone which i initially thought was a spoof when i first saw posts about it on social media......it wasn't. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/08/toblerone-gap-brexit-falling-pound-2016 Channel 4 Dispatches ran a good documentary on Monday, "Supermarkets: Brexit & Your Shrinking Shop". Painful to watch for even the most fanatical Brexiter. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/64584-005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The repackaging with smaller weight/less content has been a 'profit making tool' for the grocery industry for decades....... The nice 'man' size KitKat is a prime example of same price.....smaller goods...... more profit. More recently there was an outcry from the 'connoisseurs' about the weight/design of the Toblerone bar changing.....so it's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Fish and chips has gone up in Scarborough too (Had a nice few days there earlier this week when weather great) Fish might be caught there but is sold on the international markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-02-23 4:15 PM Channel 4 Dispatches ran a good documentary on Monday, "Supermarkets: Brexit & Your Shrinking Shop". Painful to watch for even the most fanatical Brexiter. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/64584-005 Funny that ;-) .........I can remember the same hue and cry when we went decimal (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 John52 - 2017-02-23 5:13 PM Fish and chips has gone up in Scarborough too (Had a nice few days there earlier this week when weather great) Fish might be caught there but is sold on the international markets. Where did you eat ??? ... We were in Scarborough Sunday ( beautiful day ) and had fish and chips ... Same price as ever where we go and same great quality ... No price change that I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-23 5:34 PM Bulletguy - 2017-02-23 4:15 PM Channel 4 Dispatches ran a good documentary on Monday, "Supermarkets: Brexit & Your Shrinking Shop". Painful to watch for even the most fanatical Brexiter. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/64584-005 Funny that ;-) .........I can remember the same hue and cry when we went decimal (lol) ........ This has nothing to do with decimalisation. It's post-Brexit damage plus the weakened pound against the dollar and fuel increases. The tax hikes haven't hit you.............yet. You'd best get back in that shed knocking up a few more "rock star pelmets". (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Strange how all the 'knocking' and doom and gloom is blamed on 'Brexit' when there are those who claim that in reality (which I suppose is true) nothing has changed 'yet'. In reality the only thing that has changed is the fact that the UK voted by a majority to leave the EU. This it seems has given the green light to those who would pounce on all and any opportunity to make a fast 'buck'.....they now have something to blame the price hikes on etc because the city speculators are playing with the currencies once more and using the out vote as a reason (read excuse) for their currency manipulation activities. Once again the financial sector is playing fast and loose with our financial foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-02-23 9:00 PM pelmetman - 2017-02-23 5:34 PM Bulletguy - 2017-02-23 4:15 PM Channel 4 Dispatches ran a good documentary on Monday, "Supermarkets: Brexit & Your Shrinking Shop". Painful to watch for even the most fanatical Brexiter. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/64584-005 Funny that ;-) .........I can remember the same hue and cry when we went decimal (lol) ........ This has nothing to do with decimalisation. It's post-Brexit damage plus the weakened pound against the dollar and fuel increases. The tax hikes haven't hit you.............yet. You'd best get back in that shed knocking up a few more "rock star pelmets". (lol) (lol) You mean that currency that has devalued to levels not seen since 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 .......all before there was ever any talk of BREXIT ;-) ......... So I suspect I'll survive without having to get my tools out :D ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 If you havent watched it you should watch the CH4 documentary that BG posted earlier. It is true that this kind of con in the supermarkets has been going on for a while but its increased dramatically since the crash of sterling following the referendum. Its not just beer its loads of food stuffs. Same packaging less content. Just go and compare the prices of most goods per litre or kg (assuming you can bear to use the metric system) now compare them to a year ago. Loads of stuff is up 5-15% and of course its only going in one direction. Up. We can pretty much assume I think that when or if we declare we are leaving the EU you can expect a further drop in the pound, inflation to rise and import costs to go up. If we crash out and face tariffs you can probably add in another 15%. See the pattern here? two or three years from now you could be looking at increases of 30, 40 or even 50% on what they were last year. Its happening everywhere but its been disguised. In some cases businesses are taking the hit. Dairy is up 30% and most of its produced here! Its because of the way its globally priced. All down to Brexit. At the moment the Dairy industry is bearing some of the brunt but you can bank on it that those rises will eventually be passed on to you. A personal example is I sell software. Its up 10-20% because of Brexit. I Cannot currently pass that on as there are still versions at the old retail price available and some competitors are prepared to take a hit to stay competitive. Every copy of MS Office I flog which granted isnt many I am losing twenty quid on compared to last year. The true costs of Brexit will be enormous but at the moment they are being disguised but they are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-02-24 12:01 PM If you havent watched it you should watch the CH4 documentary that BG posted earlier. It is true that this kind of con in the supermarkets has been going on for a while but its increased dramatically since the crash of sterling following the referendum. Its not just beer its loads of food stuffs. Same packaging less content. Just go and compare the prices of most goods per litre or kg (assuming you can bear to use the metric system) now compare them to a year ago. Loads of stuff is up 5-15% and of course its only going in one direction. Up. We can pretty much assume I think that when or if we declare we are leaving the EU you can expect a further drop in the pound, inflation to rise and import costs to go up. If we crash out and face tariffs you can probably add in another 15%. See the pattern here? two or three years from now you could be looking at increases of 30, 40 or even 50% on what they were last year. Its happening everywhere but its been disguised. In some cases businesses are taking the hit. Dairy is up 30% and most of its produced here! Its because of the way its globally priced. All down to Brexit. At the moment the Dairy industry is bearing some of the brunt but you can bank on it that those rises will eventually be passed on to you. A personal example is I sell software. Its up 10-20% because of Brexit. I Cannot currently pass that on as there are still versions at the old retail price available and some competitors are prepared to take a hit to stay competitive. Every copy of MS Office I flog which granted isnt many I am losing twenty quid on compared to last year. The true costs of Brexit will be enormous but at the moment they are being disguised but they are there. More scaremongering Barry *-) ........The BoE target is 2% we're still at 1.6% .......wake me up when we get there :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-02-23 7:38 PM John52 - 2017-02-23 5:13 PM Fish and chips has gone up in Scarborough too (Had a nice few days there earlier this week when weather great) Fish might be caught there but is sold on the international markets. Where did you eat ??? ... We were in Scarborough Sunday ( beautiful day ) and had fish and chips ... Same price as ever where we go and same great quality ... No price change that I saw Winking Willy's opposite the harbour. Great Fish & Chips but £6 something as opposed to £5 something last year. (Best curry sauce I'm told is is at the Fish Pan opposite the new lifeboat house) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-24 12:23 PM Barryd999 - 2017-02-24 12:01 PM If you havent watched it you should watch the CH4 documentary that BG posted earlier. It is true that this kind of con in the supermarkets has been going on for a while but its increased dramatically since the crash of sterling following the referendum. Its not just beer its loads of food stuffs. Same packaging less content. Just go and compare the prices of most goods per litre or kg (assuming you can bear to use the metric system) now compare them to a year ago. Loads of stuff is up 5-15% and of course its only going in one direction. Up. We can pretty much assume I think that when or if we declare we are leaving the EU you can expect a further drop in the pound, inflation to rise and import costs to go up. If we crash out and face tariffs you can probably add in another 15%. See the pattern here? two or three years from now you could be looking at increases of 30, 40 or even 50% on what they were last year. Its happening everywhere but its been disguised. In some cases businesses are taking the hit. Dairy is up 30% and most of its produced here! Its because of the way its globally priced. All down to Brexit. At the moment the Dairy industry is bearing some of the brunt but you can bank on it that those rises will eventually be passed on to you. A personal example is I sell software. Its up 10-20% because of Brexit. I Cannot currently pass that on as there are still versions at the old retail price available and some competitors are prepared to take a hit to stay competitive. Every copy of MS Office I flog which granted isnt many I am losing twenty quid on compared to last year. The true costs of Brexit will be enormous but at the moment they are being disguised but they are there. More scaremongering Barry *-) ........The BoE target is 2% we're still at 1.6% .......wake me up when we get there :D ......... I stopped taking their statistics seriously when Thatcher was laying waste to mining and manufacturing industry but her official unemployment count was coming down *-) Inflation may be 1.6% if you live in a flat screen TV and eat DVD players, (and never plug them in.) *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-23 12:21 PM John52 - 2017-02-23 11:55 AM Ironic that the crash in the pound caused by the Brexit vote has led to supermarkets having to increase prices, which they are doing craftily by replacing pint beer bottles with smaller half litre ones :D So what was their excuse in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2016 when the exchange rate was 1.18 euro to the pound like it is today? ;-) ........... Commodities are priced in US Dollars. I wonder why you Brexiteers studiously avoid talking about the pound Dollar rate *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 John52 - 2017-02-24 3:38 PM pelmetman - 2017-02-23 12:21 PM John52 - 2017-02-23 11:55 AM Ironic that the crash in the pound caused by the Brexit vote has led to supermarkets having to increase prices, which they are doing craftily by replacing pint beer bottles with smaller half litre ones :D So what was their excuse in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2016 when the exchange rate was 1.18 euro to the pound like it is today? ;-) ........... Commodities are priced in US Dollars. I wonder why you Brexiteers studiously avoid talking about the pound Dollar rate *-) You mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? :D ...........besides has the euro not fallen against the dollar to?........Has inflation reached the 2% BoE target yet?.......Like I said to Barry..... YAWN.....wake me up when it happens (lol) ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-24 3:44 PM You mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? That was because the oil price was high which affects the price of fuel. The crash in the pound is more serious because it affects the price of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 John52 - 2017-02-24 11:03 PM pelmetman - 2017-02-24 3:44 PM You mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? That was because the oil price was high which affects the price of fuel. The crash in the pound is more serious because it affects the price of everything. So the EU is in the same boat as us? ;-) .........Except when GREXIT happens and the euro sinks without trace :D ....... Besides where's this rampant inflation? :-S ........We're still .4% below the 2% BoE target >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-25 8:20 AM John52 - 2017-02-24 11:03 PM pelmetman - 2017-02-24 3:44 PM You mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? That was because the oil price was high which affects the price of fuel. The crash in the pound is more serious because it affects the price of everything. So the EU is in the same boat as us? ;-) .........Except when GREXIT happens and the euro sinks without trace :D ....... Besides where's this rampant inflation? :-S ........We're still .4% below the 2% BoE target >:-) ........ When compared to external currency like the US dollar which is the world standard for commodity prices, Brexit is dragging the Euro down too, but not by as much as the pound. Inflation is partly being disguised by smaller pack sizes, retailers currency hedging, politician's selective use of statistics etc. But when your currency is worth that much less against the dollar further inflation is inevitable. I'm glad I followed Warren Buffets Advice to his wife and put my savings in an S&P 500 tracker. Since its priced in US dollars its risen about 50% in pound terms over the last year (although since prices are in Brexit pounds its much less than that in real terms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 John52 - 2017-02-24 11:03 PMpelmetman - 2017-02-24 3:44 PMYou mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? That was because the oil price was high which affects the price of fuel. The crash in the pound is more serious because it affects the price of everything.....Fish sold in international markets...... .....no sh1t Sherlock.....now why didn't I think of that. Thank goodness there's those amongst us who are so smart as to realise these things...... ....strange though how Mr Smartypants ignores the fact that transport costs going through the roof because of fuel hikes impacted on the price of 'everything'....from the obvious cost of getting 'goods to market', running plant/machinery/factories/power generation....even those fishing boats selling on the 'international' market etc etc etc all affected the value of the money in your pocket......none of it going as far as it once did all because of the increase in the market price of Brent crude......but hey why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge! .....an in addition...Pints/ltrs....Brexit faultFish and chips....Brexit fault .............I wonder what all those blaming 'everything' on Brexit used to use as a whipping boy before there was Brexit to pin the all encompassing blame on?? I wonder how long it will be before those who are ardent global warming campaigners start blaming that on Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Considering brent crude is currently at just over $50 a barrel so still cheaper, even taking into account the drop in the pound to when it was over a $100 a barrel ;-) .......... More Remoaner hyperbole >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-02-25 2:59 PMConsidering brent crude is currently at just over $50 a barrel so still cheaper, even taking into account the drop in the pound to when it was over a $100 a barrel ;-) ..........More Remoaner hyperbole >:-) ......... ahhh but you can't blame the price of oil dropping on Brexit........you can only pour blame and scorn on it if it causes 'problems and hardship'.....because Brexit is the root of 'all our problems'.......well it is if the 'what if, those out voters didn't know what they were voting for, we're doomed.....doomed I tell ye' brigade would have us believe. Interestingly given the 'fact' that relatively (please note 'relatively' is used to convey the degree of influence exercised by the UK in comparison with the seemingly overarching power wielded by Germany) little influence appears to have been exerted by the UK 'inside' the union, seemingly to be frequently at odds with France and Germany (amongst others) it astonishes me that there are those who even after all this time of EU mis-management, profligate wasting of our money, accounts not being signed off, Euro crises....the PIGS financial catastrophies, the admission by Germany that Merkel's 'open to all policy' was/is a disaster etc etc...still can not go even a little way towards accepting it's massive failures, towards accepting that the fiscal might of Germany delivers it too much power and influence on other member countries and that as a 'Union' it's influence is too centric to meet the diverse needs of the members. As a trading bloc it should/might have worked but the political and fiscal unity, as some political heavyweights/beneficiaries of the EU 'trough' appear to desire, can only lead to an oligarchy.....and that is something I would never ever want the UK to ever be a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 RogerC - 2017-02-25 5:37 PMpelmetman - 2017-02-25 2:59 PMConsidering brent crude is currently at just over $50 a barrel so still cheaper, even taking into account the drop in the pound to when it was over a $100 a barrel ;-) ..........More Remoaner hyperbole >:-) .........ahhh but you can't blame the price of oil dropping on Brexit........you can only pour blame and scorn on it if it causes 'problems and hardship'.....because Brexit is the root of 'all our problems'.......well it is if the 'what if, those out voters didn't know what they were voting for, we're doomed.....doomed I tell ye' brigade would have us believe.Interestingly given the 'fact' that relatively (please note 'relatively' is used to convey the degree of influence exercised by the UK in comparison with the seemingly overarching power wielded by Germany) little influence appears to have been exerted by the UK 'inside' the union, seemingly to be frequently at odds with France and Germany (amongst others) it astonishes me that there are those who even after all this time of EU mis-management, profligate wasting of our money, accounts not being signed off, Euro crises....the PIGS financial catastrophies, the admission by Germany that Merkel's 'open to all policy' was/is a disaster etc etc...still can not go even a little way towards accepting it's massive failures, towards accepting that the fiscal might of Germany delivers it too much power and influence on other member countries and that as a 'Union' it's influence is too centric to meet the diverse needs of the members. As a trading bloc it should/might have worked but the political and fiscal unity, as some political heavyweights/beneficiaries of the EU 'trough' appear to desire, can only lead to an oligarchy.....and that is something I would never ever want the UK to ever be a part of.Bit rich for Britain to talk of EU extravagance.The House of Lords alone is bigger than the whole of the European Parliament for 27 countries. And what EU official has a string of palaces for extended family and hangers on like Britain's unelected Head of State? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 RogerC - 2017-02-25 1:35 PMJohn52 - 2017-02-24 11:03 PMpelmetman - 2017-02-24 3:44 PMYou mean like oil? ;-) ........Remind me did the sky fall in when we were paying £1.45 a litre for fuel? That was because the oil price was high which affects the price of fuel. The crash in the pound is more serious because it affects the price of everything.....Fish sold in international markets...... .....no sh1t Sherlock.....now why didn't I think of that. Thank goodness there's those amongst us who are so smart as to realise these things..........strange though how Mr Smartypants ignores the fact that transport costs going through the roof because of fuel hikes impacted on the price of 'everything'....from the obvious cost of getting 'goods to market', running plant/machinery/factories/power generation....even those fishing boats selling on the 'international' market etc etc etc all affected the value of the money in your pocket......none of it going as far as it once did all because of the increase in the market price of Brent crude......but hey why let the facts get in the way of a good whinge!.....an in addition...Pints/ltrs....Brexit faultFish and chips....Brexit fault.............I wonder what all those blaming 'everything' on Brexit used to use as a whipping boy before there was Brexit to pin the all encompassing blame on??I wonder how long it will be before those who are ardent global warming campaigners start blaming that on Brexit?Are you blaming the crash in the pound since Brexit on the price of oil ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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