John52 Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-07-09 8:43 PM t a Lion 110Ah would have cost us less than £30 to buy in. Thanks for the reply. I'm not disputing what you say, just trying to learn something here. I was obviously misinformed that Lion was one of the suppliers ECP had bought a part of. We've had a crash in the pound etc since then, the scrap man will give you £12.50, so I doubt if you could buy the materials to make it for £30 now when you add shipping, VAT etc etc? I can only say I've had a couple that are still performing well after a couple of years, and the rated capacities look as good as Bosch. I'm not one that has total confidence in official statistics, but often thats all we have :-S
John52 Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-07-10 8:32 AM John52 - 2017-07-09 7:16 PM ...If Tanya batteries are only an internet retailer presumably all their prices have to be internet level... Tayna is based at Abergele (as Allan has said above) in a good-sized warehouse and their opening hours are 8:30am-5pm Monday to Friday and 8:30-1pm Saturday. Although Tayna is a prominent on-line retailer of vehicle batteries, people can visit Tayna’s premises if they so wish (just as with Battery Megastore and Euro Car Parts). As I observed above, ECP’s pricing policy differs from Battery Megastore’s and Tayna’s (though I note that the latter has a ‘promo code’ scheme) https://www.tayna.co.uk/newsletter and this policy has apparently resulted in RFC7 paying £150 for a Bosch S5 battery (bought on-line from ECP) that is advertised for on-line purchase by Tayna for £119.17 including delivery. As a quick GOOGLE-search on “Bosch S5 100Ah” immediately identifies a range of asking-prices for the Bosch product https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bosch+s5+100ah with ECP’s being way highest, I find it difficult to understand why RFC7 chose to buy from ECP. I recommended ECP, but not for Bosch - for Lion Batteries with similar capacity rating at lower price because I have a couple I am very happy with. My experience (degree in retail management and working for supermarket chains) is there is not one retailer that is cheapest on everything. If you had the time and inclination you could save money by pricing every item at every supermarket before you buy. Even the most expensive overall supermarket will be selling something at the cheapest price.
John52 Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-07-10 8:32 AM Tayna is based at Abergele (as Allan has said above) in a good-sized warehouse and their opening hours are 8:30am-5pm Monday to Friday and 8:30-1pm Saturday. Although Tayna is a prominent on-line retailer of vehicle batteries, people can visit Tayna’s premises if they so wish (just as with Battery Megastore and Euro Car Parts). . Yes but ECP have not only a central warehouse like Tanya, but also large network of bricks and mortar branches - expensive to maintain so presumably they like to recover the costs of that by charging Halfords prices when they can get away with it :-S
Derek Uzzell Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 It still comes down to RFC7 ‘wasting' £30 by buying from ECP, seemingly only because you mentioned the company’s name.
John52 Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-07-10 9:17 AM It still comes down to RFC7 ‘wasting' £30 by buying from ECP, seemingly only because you mentioned the company’s name. If he took any notice of me why didn't he disconnect the old one first to see if it held its charge as I suggested? or get the battery I recommended?
John52 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-07-10 11:36 AM Why don’t you ask him? Well its fair to assume he doesn't take any notice of me since he didn't try disconnecting it first, and he didn't choose a Lion battery (lol) But since you blame me for him going to ECP perhaps you know different (lol)
John52 Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-07-09 8:43 PM John, The Lion is not a Euro Car parts own brand. Can I ask where you got this information from? The guy who told me Lion Batteries is a Euro Car Parts brand is still insisting it is, and trademarkia shows Euro Car Parts as the owner of the Lion Batteries trademark - link: http://www.trademarkia.com/ctm/trademarks-search.aspx?tn=lion+batteries
aandncaravan Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 "John, The Lion is not a Euro Car parts own brand. It tends to be, like most of the Asian budgets, bought in by a company as a bottom of the price range battery". I meant it isn't a unique product to Eurocarparts, but that many Battery retailers sell them and when they do, they are almost always the bottom end of their product range. Don't know any retailer who lists them as a 'Premium Brand'. But I didn't know that ECP were the Brand holders, that explains a lot. I opened up a Lucas battery a few weeks ago and the quality construction of the past has gone, it was just like the other badged budgets on the market. I had wondered who was producing those, so used your link above to search, but it doesn't list it.
John52 Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-07-14 12:37 PM "John, The Lion is not a Euro Car parts own brand. It tends to be, like most of the Asian budgets, bought in by a company as a bottom of the price range battery". I meant it isn't a unique product to Eurocarparts, but that many Battery retailers sell them and when they do, they are almost always the bottom end of their product range. Don't know any retailer who lists them as a 'Premium Brand'. But I didn't know that ECP were the Brand holders, that explains a lot. I opened up a Lucas battery a few weeks ago and the quality construction of the past has gone, it was just like the other badged budgets on the market. I had wondered who was producing those, so used your link above to search, but it doesn't list it. Yes, I noticed my Lucas Leisure battery looked the same as Numax. I think most of the British Manufacturers were bought so others can use the brand names. Which leads to the question when does Premium Brand just mean Premium Price *-) ECP branch is near enough for me to use click and collect, so I get it straight away and if any problems can return it to same branch - instead of trying to send a 25kg battery back to North Wales or wherever? There are mixed reviews of ECP on the web. But they have grown fast and in doing so put a lot of less efficient retailers out of business. Like when the Supermarkets started selling petrol. Smaller retailers couldn't compete on price so some spread rumours that supermarket petrol was inferior to theirs *-) I realise ECP use discriminatory pricing and are not always cheapest. You've got to watch 'em ;-) But then you could say that about any big company :-S
aandncaravan Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 John, we have opened lots of budgets, like Lion, and they are not premium. Cut open a new Lucas, Lion, Enduroline, etc and then slice a new Varta Powerframe like the LFD90 and compare. You will see a huge difference in durability and quality. Then do the same when the batteries are 2 years old, you will be astonished at the mess inside. And I don't mean the Varta. When we were rebuilding engines and Gearboxes plus all other mechanical work a while ago we switched to using Eurocarparts for a few months because the prices were so much cheaper. But the quality was really poor, so many parts didn't fit, were damaged, etc that we switched back to our original supplier, CES. Buy a Bosch battery in North Wales and take it back to any Bosch retailer in London. I think the same applies to Varta?
John52 Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-07-14 11:45 PM John, we have opened lots of budgets, like Lion, and they are not premium. Cut open a new Lucas, Lion, Enduroline, etc and then slice a new Varta Powerframe like the LFD90 and compare. You will see a huge difference in durability and quality. Then do the same when the batteries are 2 years old, you will be astonished at the mess inside. And I don't mean the Varta. When we were rebuilding engines and Gearboxes plus all other mechanical work a while ago we switched to using Eurocarparts for a few months because the prices were so much cheaper. But the quality was really poor, so many parts didn't fit, were damaged, etc that we switched back to our original supplier, CES. Buy a Bosch battery in North Wales and take it back to any Bosch retailer in London. I think the same applies to Varta? You must know more than I do because I have never cut a battery open. When you can't cut batteries open to see inside what do you do? I look at specifications and price (Lion beat the budget Varta battery on both in the earlier links in this thread) When I can't tell which is which I would rather pay a budget price for a budget battery, than a premiun price for what mighet be a budget battery :-S
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