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So I'm pretty new here, and new to Motorhomes as well.

I'm planning to travel europe with my girl for the summer, and will probably be spending a lot of time in my new Motorhome. I'm looking at ford duettos at the minute and they really stand out to me as being a really good size, decent amout of space, better fuel economy than some smaller vans I was looking at. I really like the look of older vans as well, and some of the newer conversions just have no personaliy inside.

The only thing with the Duettos is the amount of seatbelts, most of the conversions I've looked at have 3 seatbelts, I might have seen some with 4 but I don't rememeber fully. I know It's a really small hill to die on, when I like everything else about these vans, but I sadi from the start my minimum was 4. I'm going to be going to a lot of festivals and traveling long distrances, so I want to be able to bring people along to share the road and the price of gas. I'm worried that if I have less belts, I'll just end up taking people anyway and getting in trouble with old bill...

So to end a long winded question, can anybody recomend similar size panel van conversions that have more seatbelts?

This is what ive been looking at

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Looking at Autosleepers, of that age/price range, I think the Peugeot based Harmony had 2 rear seat belts (although I think it may have been a fair bit smaller, being swb).They did the Symbol(again Peugeot)as an ES(extra seat) model but neither of those seem to come up (on the likes of ebay etc) very often

We used to have a 2003 Duetto (Mk 6 Transit, mwb) and there have been times where we regret switching down the "coach-builts" route...

 

When I do scan the likes of ebay, occasionally the likes of the early Romahone R30 come up but they do hold their prices...

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804075320936?advertising-location=at_motorhomes&sort=datedesc&make=ROMAHOME&price-from=500&model=R30&page=1

 

(this one's almost cheap at 19k, I've seen them with asking prices nearer 25K (lol) )

 

RE: Duetto & extra seats. It may be worth joining /asking on here- http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/ - you never know, maybe someone has reconfigured their offside seating (as to per a Harmony?)and retrofitted a rear seatbelt?

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Welcome to the Forum.

 

There are often several solutions to an issue, sometimes the 'by the book, solution is overly expensive and often a more cost effective solution can be found?

 

Without doing any research it may be that if a vehicle is designed in an era where seat belts were not compulsory it may not be illegal to use such a vehicle without seat belts - I don't know?

 

Many years ago when no vans had rear seat belts it was not hard to retro fit them yourself, if you had some diy capability, using secondhand parts from a breaker.

 

Without doubt they would not meet whatever standards now apply but they would look the part if anyone looked and if bolted through steel using load spreading washers would be pretty strong too?

 

Maybe not a perfect solution but possibly a practical solution which no doubt the purists will soon be shouting NO at!

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Troubadour - 2018-04-15 11:03 AM

 

Thanks, I'll look into it, i've done a bit of reading and not seen anything to promising about retro fitted seat belts.

I cant envisage what 'spare' floor space there'd be but if it'd only be for occasional use, what about a removable seat(ebay, minibus seat,with integral seatbelts?)anchored using unwind tracking?

Okay.it'd need removing and stowing in an awning when on site , but it would be one solution.?

 

 

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pepe63 - 2018-04-15 4:30 PM

 

Troubadour - 2018-04-15 11:03 AM

 

Thanks, I'll look into it, i've done a bit of reading and not seen anything to promising about retro fitted seat belts.

I cant envisage what 'spare' floor space there'd be but if it'd only be for occasional use, what about a removable seat(ebay, minibus seat,with integral seatbelts?)anchored using unwind tracking?

Okay.it'd need removing and stowing in an awning when on site , but it would be one solution.?

Missed the edit deadline...

That of cause should be "Unwin" (not unwind) :$

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Troubadour - 2018-04-12 10:31 AM

 

...I'm going to be going to a lot of festivals and traveling long distrances, so I want to be able to bring people along to share the road and the price of gas. I'm worried that if I have less belts, I'll just end up taking people anyway and getting in trouble with old bill...

 

 

The Auto-Sleepers “Duetto” in your link is 1996 vintage and advertised at £9995.

 

If this is the type/size/age/price of motorhome you are interested in then (as Tracker has suggested) a lack of seating with security-belts may not be a legal obstacle in the UK provided that your passengers will always be adults.

 

There’s a lengthy piece on motorhomes and seatbelts here

 

https://www.lifesure.co.uk/blog/2014/11/motorhomes-and-seatbelts-the-law/

 

and it would be worth you browsing through this 2017 forum discussion on the subject (and looking at the links in it)

 

http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/motorhome-seat-belt-law/46513/

 

Plainly, if you can find a motorhome that meets your requirements regarding design, size and cost, and that has at least four seats with seatbelts, that would be best - but there won’t be many models similar to Duetto available for around £10K.

 

This company specialises in retro-fitting seatbelts

 

http://seatbeltservice.co.uk/camper-van-seat-belts/

 

https://en-gb.facebook.com/seatbeltservice/

 

but how difficult it would be to modify (say) a Duetto to retro-fit an extra belted seat (and how much it would cost) is anybody’s guess.

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Tracker - 2018-04-15 12:23 PM

 

Welcome to the Forum.

 

There are often several solutions to an issue, sometimes the 'by the book, solution is overly expensive and often a more cost effective solution can be found?

 

Without doing any research it may be that if a vehicle is designed in an era where seat belts were not compulsory it may not be illegal to use such a vehicle without seat belts - I don't know?

 

Many years ago when no vans had rear seat belts it was not hard to retro fit them yourself, if you had some diy capability, using secondhand parts from a breaker.

 

Without doubt they would not meet whatever standards now apply but they would look the part if anyone looked and if bolted through steel using load spreading washers would be pretty strong too?

 

Maybe not a perfect solution but possibly a practical solution which no doubt the purists will soon be shouting NO at!

 

I was told that it was now illegal to retro fit extra seat belts! If it is , and you do fit them , then your insurance would not be valid. If you intend to carry extra people , you need to look at , the sleeping arrangements. It is not very very private in a camper van, unless you have a large shower room , that will allow getting dressed etc.

You may have to look at maybe a coachbuilt, for the extra space. Our van sleeps 5 (at a pinch) and has 4 seat belts, with room to move around. Don't forget to check your licence , if you look at over 3500.

Keep looking , with an open mind, and you will find something suitable, and don't be afraid to ask on this forum, about any that take your fancy

 

PJay

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It is not hard to rig up a curtain to separate a section for ablutions and dressing, but the more occupants you have the more amusing the guessing game is for every sound that emanates from behind the curtain, and the longer the whole process takes, and even worse it delays breakfast!
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Derek Uzzell - 2018-04-15 6:10 PM

 

PJay - 2018-04-15 5:57 PM

 

...I was told that it was now illegal to retro fit extra seat belts...

 

PJay

 

It isn’t...

But I think it would be wise to talk to the firm that Derek instances in his previous post, regarding what they could do, and at what cost. I think I'd also ask them what, if any, certification they provide for the new installation. I'm just a bit uneasy at some of their illustrations appear to show upper belt mountings attached to furniture which, if correct, I doubt would have the required strength.

 

There is usually a substantial steel frame concealed within the seat structure, that is bolted through the vehicle floor to ensure that the belts will resist the forces involved in an accident. Unless there is a frame of some sort already present, that could be adapted or enhanced to take two belts with minimal intrusion, the work within the seat base will be quite extensive, and that isn't likely to be cheap.

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Troubadour - 2018-04-12 10:31 AM

 

 

This is what ive been looking at

Link to ebay

 

Looks a bargain to me B-) ..........

 

I'd buy it and make your guests get the bus :D ........

 

 

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Thanks for all the responses. I've been looking at some of the other autosleepers from around the same time, and I think some of the symponys or harmonys have 4 belts (which is fine)

I just looked it up, and the law changes in 1991, so anything after that a seat belt would still be required in the back, and the one i linked is a 1996. the other thing is I;m going to be spending most of my time in Europe.

 

I'll be honest, I'm a bit of a hippy, and privacy for getting dressed isn't going to be a problem for any of my crew (lol)

 

Part of this is I have a real mind to give back to the hitch hiking community, since I've been traveling by thumb for 4 years and I feel like it's about time i gave some rides, also, you can save a fortune in fuel, by taking blabla car passengers, and since I'll be drivign all the way to spain, I'll need that.

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Troubadour - 2018-04-15 9:34 PM

 

...I just looked it up, and the law changes in 1991, so anything after that a seat belt would still be required in the back, and the one i linked is a 1996. the other thing is I;m going to be spending most of my time in Europe...

 

 

From 1987 seatbelts needed to fitted as standard to the rear seats of new CARS marketed in the UK and, from 1991, it became compulsory for people using such seats to wear the seatbelts.

 

But those regulations did not apply to MOTORHOMES and there would no legal prohibition preventing (say) five people travelling in a 1996 Duetto (2 in the cab, 1 on the forward-facing belted seat and two on the inwards-facing settee). Carrying passengers in unbelted seats may legitimately be considered unwise from a safety point of view, as can carrying passengers in inwards-facing seats (belted or otherwise), but if the motorhome were built long enough ago (eg. pre-2007) and its seating complied with UK law at the time, then adults can still legally be carried in unbelted seats located in the motorhome’s habitation area.

 

One possibility that might help with a mid-1990s Duetto could be to replace the single passenger cab-seat with a ‘double’ version that (probably) has a lap-belt for the central section. That way 3 people could travel in the cab and one in the rear and all 4 people could wear belts.

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