gp1 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Phoned up the man at the caravan shop glasgow and said about the hosepipe not fitting into the van. He said the the standard tap fitting at the end does come off so i tried and it came off surprisingly easily. And went back on again. So now i will have water. Also went into halford to get the baby seat. The lady from the bike section was unbelievably helpfull and knowledgable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Have you worked out the sat nav yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 sshortcircuit - 2018-08-02 10:19 PM Have you worked out the sat nav yet? Oh come on, be fair, give the guy a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 Thanks tracker yes i think the satnav is becoming a bit easier to use. Ive drilled down into a few of the menu options and its starting to make a bit of sense. I got it for 15 quid in a charity shop a couple of years ago and so i didnt have massive expectations of it. But it does the job. Just need to set it to quickest main routes now instead of country lanes. But to be honest its improved my driving skills quite a bit and the views have been nicer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec176 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Is it just me or is this a wind up, is this person for real? Surely not, nobody can be so useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 For years we navigated all over Europe with an up to 8 year old out of date sat nav and we never had any real problems. The main issue we found was the road renumbering in France a few years back but as long as you are aware that too was not a problem for us. Sometimes we found ourselves on roads that were not on the sat nav but they always rejoined sooner or later, usually in more or less the right place. Just treat it as it is intended, an aid and not a bible, and you hopefully won't get stuck, and if a suggested road looks iffy to you don't take it as the device will soon reroute if you ignore a turning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Yes have been aware that the satnav will re adjust if you force it to by taking a different route. Which i think is good. I will try taking a route which i suspect is the right one when we go away next week and see what happens. Unfortunately the map of going through / around cardiff makes no logical sense as i have studied it a few times but maybe i need a more close up map. Im using a large a -z. It makes sense that if the satnav doesnt know i want main routes it will take me the shortest route in distance (country lanes) but not the quickest (main roads) i just have to get around to finding where in the menus this setting is. Apart from this it seems fine apart from adjusting the volume which has always been inaudible or shouting but i reckon a setting of 65 percent is about right. Not having designed the hosepipe myself and not wanting to render a brand new hosepipe unuseable i think its fairly sensible to check with the person who is selling them what it was designed to do. Also the thread on here where i asked about it no one was able to give me an answer so i supplied one myself after having found out incase anyone else was in the same boat. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Hozelock type fittings are removable and interchangeable to allow hoses to be altered or extended - that is the point of them and their simplicity, so just unscrew one and remove or replace it and any garden shop will have them in stock for you to look at if you are confused. Rocket science it is not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don636 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I believe this hosepipe issue was down to the Hozelock end not fitting in the tank fill hole and the solution is simply to either take the fitting off and put the hose into the hole or rig up a Hozelock fitting with a short length of hose. I have the same problem but I use an end fitting that you can twist to vary the spray pattern from off or to narrow to wide - the type of fitting that gets narrower towards the end. The narrow end fits in the fill point easily and you can actually wedge it in there due to the tapered shape. I stick the end it a little bit then twist the nozzle to open the flow and avoid water blasting the side of the van then jam it in the hole where it will stay as long as I don't open the flow up to full force. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 The primary reason why a definitive answer was not provided for gp1’s original enquiry was due to him not identifying the hose he bought other than saying it was "the universal fit kit from tbe caravan shop glasgow”. http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/hose-pipe-into-motorhome-/49830/ Im guessing that gp1’s hose is one of the Coplexel range http://www.arrid.com.au/pdf/Pump/Flat%20Hose/Drinking%20Water%20Flat%20Hose.pdf that come with various Hozelock-type end-fittings. If one were totally unfamiliar with Hozelock-type fittings, I suppose their removal might prove challenging, but I would have thought the forum-responses to gp1’s original question were adequate enough to avoid needing to contact the hose’s vendor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 All joking aside, I find it hard to comprehend why we are discussing a hose pipe, especially one whose fittings are allegedly fool proof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandy Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Tracker - 2018-08-03 7:31 PM All joking aside, I find it hard to comprehend why we are discussing a hose pipe, especially one whose fittings are allegedly fool proof! To quote Woody Allen, "Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so ingenious". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 aandy - 2018-08-03 7:59 PM Tracker - 2018-08-03 7:31 PM All joking aside, I find it hard to comprehend why we are discussing a hose pipe, especially one whose fittings are allegedly fool proof! To quote Woody Allen, "Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so ingenious". If your hose is too short you can cut it in half and clip a bit in the middle to extend it - pretty ingenious eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Thanks derek yes rereading your text 'To address this issue, you’d either have to remove the hose’s end-fitting or (as I’m guessing many people will do) ' i now realise that if i had follwed your advice literally i would have been ok. In fact im beginning to suspect that i am not by nature someone who expects success when a and b are followed. Had the same problem with the gas. Tilt the oven lid back for example. For me it should read; tilt the lid as far back as it will go without anything behind obstructing it. Then i would have been ok. Tilting the lid back if followed does not actually achieve the desired result. Same with ' remove the hoses end'. I tried that and it didnt work. If you or the instructions had said; the end attachment is designed to come off. Unscrew the ring and pull off the attachment i would of had no problem. Anyway i am too thick to follow the inferred gist of intsructions. But that gap in information between the giver (who knows) and the reciever (who doesnt know) is a very common problem. Still alls well thst ends well. And yes i will think differently and with more care about answers i recieve in the future. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 P.s. i like the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Tracker - 2018-08-03 10:11 PM ...If your hose is too short you can cut it in half and clip a bit in the middle to extend it - pretty ingenious eh? Being able to do that will depend on the construction of the hose. Any water-hose that is not a simple ‘single-wall’ tube (eg. the expandable type, or a hose comprising two or more concentric tubes) will have specialised non-removable end-fittings. If such hoses are ruptured repairs are essentially impracticable, as is extending the hose using the method you suggest. Even though such hoses are not repairable and their end-fittings cannot be removed without surgery, Hozelock-type adapters allow them to be extended, to be connected to water-taps, and to add garden accessories like sprinklers and sprayers. Gp1’s water-related problems have been discussed twice before http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/how-do-you-feed-water-into-motorhome-thru-hosepipe-/49599/ http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/hose-pipe-into-motorhome-/49830/ The Caravan Shop in Glasgow advertises two cassetted water hoses (photos attached). The Brunner product was mentioned in passing here http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/fiamma-security-handle-any-good-/49658/ and (based on the posting of 26 June 2018 8:08 PM) I believed that gp1 had decided not to choose the Brunner hose. With no firm identification details from gp1 I assumed he had purchased the Coplexel hose. Although it seemed probable (as the Coplexel hose was the flat type) that its end-fittings could not be removed without cutting them off, It seemed certain that Hoselock-type adapters could be connected to those end-fittings in the usual way. As I did not know (and still don’t know) what hose gp1 bought, even with my Mark 10 crystal-ball running at maximum boost, it was never going to be possible for me to instruct gp1 in EXACTLY how to remove the hose’s end attachments. I’m not sure if my wife has any hands-on experience of Hozelock-type fittings (and she has definitely never put water into our motorhomes) so she might well be perplexed if presented with a caravan water-hose with no instructions on how to use it. So I’ve some sympathy with gp1’s plight. There will come a point where it’s assumed that instructions are unnecessary (for example it’s reasonable to assume that someone buying paracetamol tablets will not attempt to use them by inserting them up their nose) and it’s likely that every respondent to gp1’s water-related enquiry would have assumed that he was either aware of how adapters attached to a hose or could work this out for himself. If gp1’s hose is unusual (I can’t picture what "Unscrew the ring and pull off the attachment” entails) then it’s doubtful that any forum-member could have provided blow-by-blow instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 gp1 - 2018-08-02 11:47 PM Thanks tracker yes i think the satnav is becoming a bit easier to use. Ive drilled down into a few of the menu options and its starting to make a bit of sense. I got it for 15 quid in a charity shop a couple of years ago and so i didnt have massive expectations of it. But it does the job. Just need to set it to quickest main routes now instead of country lanes. But to be honest its improved my driving skills quite a bit and the views have been nicer. Hi,gp1, just be careful about setting to the quickest route as this may lead you down some bad roads/tracks unless of course you can pre-load vans weight and dimensions. If the sat nav thinks you are a car then I would look at other route options rather than quickest. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I must confess, I never considered anything other than a conventional hose pipe! There are several options of alternative hose and some people swear by them whilst others swear at them! Personally I never found any of them to be worth their while with several charecteristics that I found unacceptable, so I always took the view that if it ain't broke don't fix it and we used a selection of common or garden hoses of varying lengths for over 50 years adding hozelock type fittings as required without any problems, draining it as I coiled it and stuffed it back in it's Tesco carrier bag ready for the next fill up. With some of the 'improved' hoses you have to extend the entire hose (flat hoses) and ensure there are no kinks, with others the flow rate can be low, and with so many they rarely seem to retract they way the adverising shows, plus with most of them, as Derek points out, you can't change the end fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I have an elderly 10-metre cassetted fabric-outer water-hose made by Black&Decker. It originally looked like the example in the attached photo, but the B&D cassette broke and the hose was transferred to an even more ancient cassette whose hose had finally begun to leak badly at an end-fitting. The end-fittings of this type of hose cannot be replaced, though adapters can, of course, be connected to the end-fittings in the usual manner. Yes, it does have to be fully unwound to use, and rewinding it needs care, but the rewinding-time should be no longer than draining a conventional garden hose while coiling it up and then bagging it. The advantage for me is that the complete cassette+hose assembly is very light and takes up minimal storage space - far less space than an equivalent length of ordinary garden hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Hi derek sorry about the confusion. The one i bought was the universal kit. Blue hosepipe and with a couple of attatchments for waterhog and a float? Sorry i cant be more specific. Its not flat or on a reel. It was a hurried choice but i think its ok. Yes i was on camp when i opened it. It was the kind of thing where you think well i probably could get this off but would it ever go back on again. So i decided not to risk it. Anyway it was very kind of you to write such a long message. Im not sure about the paracetamol example as i have seen plenty of people tsking those but i have only ever seen one person filling their van and tbst was from a distance. I dont like to spy too much or too obviously. But yes if i had sat down and investigated more thouroughly i would have possibly solved the problem. Unfortunately there are so many other things to do when arrivijng on site i had mentally already decided it was not fit for purpose and was thinking about alternative ways to solve the problem. Basically as there was water and a shower block i decided it wasnt imperitive so i consigned it to the failure box and forgot about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I now realise that this is what you bought (photo attached) https://www.thecaravanshop.co.uk/water-waste/mains-water-adaptor/mains-water-adaptor-kit/prod_1072.html It’s aimed more at caravans than motorhomes, as the float-valve is intended to be fitted to a portable water carrier, whereas motorhome owners generally fill up their vehicle’s on-board water tank directly by inserting a hose into a ‘hole’ in the motorhome’s side. I can also understand how someone who had never encountered a Hozelock-type fitting might be puzzled about how one of the blue hose’s end-fittings could be removed if that fitting were too large to go into the water-filling ‘hole’. (Pity you didn’t ask for advice before choosing this product, and you’d be better off replacing the end-fitting and adding an ‘extension' to the hose as mentioned earlier.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Thanks derek thats the one. Cant wait to use it tomorrow. And well.be able to.cook so going to be a good holiday. Very kind of you to do all that research. Yes i suppose illustrations of products arent sometimes enough to go on but as a hosepipe i like it and it will do for several things. Including washing the van and keeping cool and for onboard water. Not sure whether i ought to give the shower a go i guess if its a hot day with window open might be worth a go. We got the pump replaced as it was intermittent so may as well see what it can do. You never know one day we might get a little caravan - infact one of our nighbours have got one at end of garden and someones living in it. Perhaps even paying rent. But would need a crane to put it in. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldi Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Tracker - 2018-08-03 10:11 PM aandy - 2018-08-03 7:59 PM Tracker - 2018-08-03 7:31 PM All joking aside, I find it hard to comprehend why we are discussing a hose pipe, especially one whose fittings are allegedly fool proof! To quote Woody Allen, "Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so ingenious". If your hose is too short you can cut it in half and clip a bit in the middle to extend it - pretty ingenious eh? Good morning, I am sorry tracker but your ingenious idea of clipping the hose pipe in half to extend it is wrong. All you need to do is disconnect the fitting at one end and reconnect more pipe to the required length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Not sure how that would work... If gp1 wanted to extend his 7.5m-long hose, he could connect a 2nd similar-design hose to the original using the adapter 2nd-down on the right of the attached photo (He already has such and adapter). Or he could remove one of the end-fittings from his current hose, transfer this to one end of another piece of ‘bare’ hose-pipe, and then connect the ‘naked’ ends of the two hoses together using the adapter 3rd-down on the left of the attached photo. (A 7.5m hose SHOULD be sufficiently long for most motorcaravanners,.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 goldi - 2018-08-06 8:10 AM I am sorry tracker but your ingenious idea of clipping the hose pipe in half to extend it is wrong. All you need to do is disconnect the fitting at one end and reconnect more pipe to the required length Duuh! I am indebted to my learned friend and I bow to your superior experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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