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Now if I remember my history.....there were a number of states within a country where the citizens voted to leave the union. The central government said we will not allow them to leave. The states left anyway. The federal government sent an army to”invade” the states. Hence started the American civil war.
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This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

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Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

A European army .......With Germany in charge 8-) ........

 

What could go wrong? >:-) .........

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Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

“Military Projects “. Mmmmmm.

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Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

 

We don't need any help from the EU in defending ourselves from any global threats in the future.

 

We've got Dave, who was in the navy for ten years.

 

;-)

 

p.s. AND --- we've now got our own aircraft carrier.

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We need to be part of it just so we can veto everything. Can you imagine Spain agreeing to any “military project” we propose. Anything Italy proposes will be sunk by France. Germany will be reluctant to do anything, but will be opposed by Greece. It’s all going to march along swimmingly.
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malc d - 2019-10-31 8:28 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

 

We don't need any help from the EU in defending ourselves from any global threats in the future.

 

We've got Dave, who was in the navy for ten years.

 

;-)

 

p.s. AND --- we've now got our own aircraft carrier.

 

And in eight years time we will have our "own" planes to fly off it.

 

PS they'll still be american planes just with british pilots, we wont be able to service them though as the weapons and navigation system is classified.

 

PPS Dont forget that HMS Queen Elizabeth is still at anchor on the Solent, having developed a leak.

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malc d - 2019-10-31 8:28 AM

 

p.s. AND --- we've now got our own aircraft carrier.

 

We'll soon have 2 ;-) ...........

 

Not that the EU appears interested in wanting a Navy :-| .........

 

It seems they just want a army? ;-) .........

 

I'm guessing the places they may want to invade wont require ships 8-) .......

 

 

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Fast Pat - 2019-10-31 8:56 AM

 

malc d - 2019-10-31 8:28 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

 

We don't need any help from the EU in defending ourselves from any global threats in the future.

 

We've got Dave, who was in the navy for ten years.

 

;-)

 

p.s. AND --- we've now got our own aircraft carrier.

 

And in eight years time we will have our "own" planes to fly off it.

 

PS they'll still be american planes just with british pilots, we wont be able to service them though as the weapons and navigation system is classified.

 

PPS Dont forget that HMS Queen Elizabeth is still at anchor on the Solent, having developed a leak.

 

I think that was in June . My understanding is that she was off the eastern seaboard USA,doing flight trials.

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malc d - 2019-10-31 8:28 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2019-10-31 7:51 AM

 

This is from 2017. Pesco is not new. Its also not signed up by everyone. You dont have to join but why wouldnt you?

 

PESCO doesn’t threaten NATO, it strengthens the European pillar of NATO, it also promises funding for security and military projects and makes us less reliant on the US.

 

WTF is everyone so worked up about this for?

 

 

We don't need any help from the EU in defending ourselves from any global threats in the future.

 

We've got Dave, who was in the navy for ten years.

 

;-)

 

p.s. AND --- we've now got our own aircraft carrier.

Rule Englander and all that patriotic stuff eh Malc? Trouble is he spends more time out of UK than in it (allegedly ;-) ) so wouldn't be much use.

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