jumpstart Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I now know personally a number of people who have coronavirus and have recovered. Two are in their mid 60’s , two in 30’s. For all of them it took about two weeks to get over it. As none of them could get on to NHS by phone ,nor have been tested they are not in any national statistics. There must be many others who also have recovered that are unknown by the government. There are also two people who live with someone who has it but show no symptoms and are not unwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-01 1:57 PM I now know personally a number of people who have coronavirus and have recovered. Two are in their mid 60’s , two in 30’s. For all of them it took about two weeks to get over it. As none of them could get on to NHS by phone ,nor have been tested they are not in any national statistics. There must be many others who also have recovered that are unknown by the government. There are also two people who live with someone who has it but show no symptoms and are not unwell. The statistics are meaningless. Nobody knows how many have had it or even have it now. Even the death tolls are now meaningless as they are only counting people where the family have given permission to include them in the Covid deaths and I also read that they may be citing the underlying condition as cause of death but all of it is finger in the air stuff. In some respects if hundreds of thousands of us have it or have had it then perhaps the mortality rate is not as bad as some think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-01 1:57 PM I now know personally a number of people who have coronavirus and have recovered. Two are in their mid 60’s , two in 30’s. For all of them it took about two weeks to get over it. As none of them could get on to NHS by phone ,nor have been tested they are not in any national statistics. There must be many others who also have recovered that are unknown by the government. There are also two people who live with someone who has it but show no symptoms and are not unwell. If people have had no contact with a doctor or the NHS they won't know for sure that they've had Covid-19 - although I've no doubt the figure is a lot different to those constantly repeated on the media. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-01 3:12 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-01 1:57 PM I now know personally a number of people who have coronavirus and have recovered. Two are in their mid 60’s , two in 30’s. For all of them it took about two weeks to get over it. As none of them could get on to NHS by phone ,nor have been tested they are not in any national statistics. There must be many others who also have recovered that are unknown by the government. There are also two people who live with someone who has it but show no symptoms and are not unwell. The statistics are meaningless. Nobody knows how many have had it or even have it now. Even the death tolls are now meaningless as they are only counting people where the family have given permission to include them in the Covid deaths and I also read that they may be citing the underlying condition as cause of death but all of it is finger in the air stuff. In some respects if hundreds of thousands of us have it or have had it then perhaps the mortality rate is not as bad as some think. Statistics is all everyone has though and imo it makes more sense to look at worst case scenario than downplay it. Only yesterday it was being reported new data from the ONS suggests the mortality rate could be 20% higher than official figures have shown. https://tinyurl.com/ubupgdy Another 563 people have died in the past 24 hours after contracting coronavirus, taking the UK death toll to 2,352. Thats now our largest daily jump though i suspect it's only a matter of time before that figure is exceeded. https://tinyurl.com/souodw7 Everyone needs to start taking this matter much more seriously than they have been and total lockdown and self isolation for all bar key workers, strictly enforced. Thats what Singapore, South Korea, China and Hong Kong did. Use their actions as a template and we might begin to progress, but until we do, we will just be treading water to try and stay afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 malc d - 2020-04-01 3:28 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-01 1:57 PM I now know personally a number of people who have coronavirus and have recovered. Two are in their mid 60’s , two in 30’s. For all of them it took about two weeks to get over it. As none of them could get on to NHS by phone ,nor have been tested they are not in any national statistics. There must be many others who also have recovered that are unknown by the government. There are also two people who live with someone who has it but show no symptoms and are not unwell. If people have had no contact with a doctor or the NHS they won't know for sure that they've had Covid-19 - although I've no doubt the figure is a lot different to those constantly repeated on the media. :-( They all had temp of around 40, coughing, headache, really tired needing to sleep all the time, loss of taste and smell but none had any bad lung problem. You can’t get to see a Dr., can’t get anyone on the phone, but not bad enough to go to Hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-01 3:12 PM The statistics are meaningless. Nobody knows how many have had it or even have it now. Even the death tolls are now meaningless as they are only counting people where the family have given permission to include them in the Covid deaths and I also read that they may be citing the underlying condition as cause of death but all of it is finger in the air stuff. In some respects if hundreds of thousands of us have it or have had it then perhaps the mortality rate is not as bad as some think. Worldometer says current UK deaths stand at 2,352. The WHO says that the averaged death rate for the disease is between 1% and 2% of cases. Worldometer says current known (I assume from government sources) cases in UK is 29,474. The WHO average, based on Worldometer deaths, is between 117,600 and 235,200. Bearing in mind that the deaths, as Barry says, are being supressed by not testing the dying/dead for the virus where an underlying cause is known, and given the WHO averaged death rate, plus the fact that testing for the virus is so limited, I think it fairly safe to say that the government's figure for the total number of cases should be multiplied by four. Now, why do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-01 5:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-01 3:12 PM The statistics are meaningless. Nobody knows how many have had it or even have it now. Even the death tolls are now meaningless as they are only counting people where the family have given permission to include them in the Covid deaths and I also read that they may be citing the underlying condition as cause of death but all of it is finger in the air stuff. In some respects if hundreds of thousands of us have it or have had it then perhaps the mortality rate is not as bad as some think. Worldometer says current UK deaths stand at 2,352. The WHO says that the averaged death rate for the disease is between 1% and 2% of cases. Worldometer says current known (I assume from government sources) cases in UK is 29,474. The WHO average, based on Worldometer deaths, is between 117,600 and 235,200. Bearing in mind that the deaths, as Barry says, are being supressed by not testing the dying/dead for the virus where an underlying cause is known, and given the WHO averaged death rate, plus the fact that testing for the virus is so limited, I think it fairly safe to say that the government's figure for the total number of cases should be multiplied by four. Now, why do that? You might find your hero Bulletguy defended Germanys use of those very same tactics the other day ... Any chance you might condemn Germanys leader and Government ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-01 5:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-01 3:12 PM The statistics are meaningless. Nobody knows how many have had it or even have it now. Even the death tolls are now meaningless as they are only counting people where the family have given permission to include them in the Covid deaths and I also read that they may be citing the underlying condition as cause of death but all of it is finger in the air stuff. In some respects if hundreds of thousands of us have it or have had it then perhaps the mortality rate is not as bad as some think. Worldometer says current UK deaths stand at 2,352. The WHO says that the averaged death rate for the disease is between 1% and 2% of cases. Worldometer says current known (I assume from government sources) cases in UK is 29,474. The WHO average, based on Worldometer deaths, is between 117,600 and 235,200. Bearing in mind that the deaths, as Barry says, are being supressed by not testing the dying/dead for the virus where an underlying cause is known, and given the WHO averaged death rate, plus the fact that testing for the virus is so limited, I think it fairly safe to say that the government's figure for the total number of cases should be multiplied by four. Now, why do that? This is an interesting read on testing. As of 9am on Tuesday, a total of 143,186 people had been tested for Covid-19 in the UK, of which 25,150 tested positive, according to the Department of Health and Social Care. But the latest Public Health England figures show fewer than 10,000 tests per day are currently being carried out – in comparison to 70,000 per day in Germany. So far, tests have been focused on those admitted to hospital, and anyone with milder symptoms has been told to self-isolate at home. The NHS is aiming to get to 25,000 of these tests per day, with the ultimate aim being several hundred thousand, but health officials say this target will not be met until the end of April. https://tinyurl.com/ql9b9vj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-01 6:04 PM...………...You might find your hero Bulletguy defended Germanys use of those very same tactics the other day ... Any chance you might condemn Germanys leader and Government ??? Your point, avatar? There was no condemnation, just inconvenient truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 BBC breaking news reporter looks puzzled at the report. Understandably so too. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-01 6:37 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-01 6:04 PM...………...You might find your hero Bulletguy defended Germanys use of those very same tactics the other day ... Any chance you might condemn Germanys leader and Government ??? Your point, avatar? There was no condemnation, just inconvenient truth. I'll translate ... You'll take issue with a Tory UK Government doing so but a Merkel German Government you'll strangely stay quiet about ... Lordy My Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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