jumpstart Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Hi, as I have time on my hands,been thinking of fixing some 2mm PVC sheets to the walls in the washroom shower end. The van is a Elddis 115 2019 with the walls in the shower covered with some sort of vinyl covering. It seems to me that as the covering is very thin ( like wall paper) it wouldn’t be long before it gets worn as we wipe it down after showering. I was thinking of using a sikaflex adhesive to bond to the walls. Any comments or recommendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Good luck with that - especially if it is very warm! It is very cramped working in a tight spave and accurate measuring, cutting and joint sealing is crucial to prevent water ingress. It can also be quite trying removing and refixing all the various fittings so a lot of thinking, measuring and picture drawing time before you start should pay dividends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 If you are worried about the shower walls ,would it not be better to cover them with some sort of removable shower curtain.? Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just thought it easier to wipe down and last longer. It only needs to be on two walls...the basin wall and side wall as the door is on the other side ,the shower curtain covers of the we end. Was wondering if the sikaflex sticks to the vinyl covering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 As you presumably will be sticking it to an already flat surface, I would guess you could use thinner sheet, 1 or 1.5mm, we had plastic sheet glued to a flat surface of the shower in our house and I think it was a lot thinner than 2mm, not sure what glue was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Back in the 70s I rebuilt a shower compartment that had rotted and after painting it in primer I papered it with a heavy vinyl faced paper and a strong mix paste. Being a waterproof paper it held OK. Is it feasible to peel off the old wall covering first and use a similar method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just thought that the vinyl covering was a weak point in the shower . One scratch to the surface would allow water ingress. So PVC sheets are easy to cut and certainly 1 mm would be fine,it’s just a harder waterproof cover. Wondered if anyone had done this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassie Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 If you use sikafix or similar it needs to be a certain thickness. I think with thin PVC it would not be totally flat and show the bumps where the adhesive is used. Wouldn’t be so much a concern with thicker sheets. I would have thought that a contact adhesive like evostick would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 It depends on what you get up to in the shower - the mind boggles! In 50 or so years of using vans, but probably only 30 years with a shower, we never managed to damage the shower walls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niktam Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I have a 196 and I assume the 115 is built with similar materials and fittings? It has always concerned me that the "toilet cistern" appears to me to be planted against the wall so my question is when the water runs down behind the cistern(as the plastic of the "cistern" is not stuck to the wall.) If so where does it go on top of the casing for the cassette or somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 niktam - 2020-04-14 8:49 PM I have a 196 and I assume the 115 is built with similar materials and fittings? It has always concerned me that the "toilet cistern" appears to me to be planted against the wall so my question is when the water runs down behind the cistern(as the plastic of the "cistern" is not stuck to the wall.) If so where does it go on top of the casing for the cassette or somewhere else? Run a neat thin bead of white sanitary quality silicone sealant around the joint. Not too much just in case you ever need to remove the loo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 jumpstart As its an Elddis ;-) ........ and given their history 8-) ....... You'll better of sticking it to the outside :-| ...... I have a 30 year old camper with vynl wallpaper in the rarely used shower department B-) ...... According to the service engineers damp meter its dry as a bone apart from a corner of the window:-D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 30 years without a shower’s pushing it ! ;-) ;-) I’m trying to preempt any possible wall covering damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 30 years without a shower’s pushing it ! ;-) ;-) I’m trying to preempt any possible wall covering damage. It's actually a very good shower ;-) ........ Much better than the shower in our posh Carlight guest wing :D ....... That said we tend to stay on campsites B-) ........ So we prefer to use the facilities as er indoors decided years ago it was my job to clean the bathroom 8-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 pelmetman (and others) When posting on the Motorhome Matters forum, would you please minimise ‘quoting’. The multiple quoting issue was raised by Keithl (also like me a forum Moderator) in his posting of 27 March 2020 7:04 PM here https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Stranded-in-Spain-pt-2-/54728/31/ and, in that thread I instanced this Chatterbox discussion as an extreme case https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Calls-for-NHS-volunteers/54721/ As an example, I’ve edited yours and jumpstart’s postings above to remove the quoting and the thread still flows perfectly well. I don’t care what happens on the Chatterbox forum - you can do your ‘quoting’ worst there as far as I’m concerned. :-( :-( :-( :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Jumpstart I'd leave well alone, especially on such a new van. By introducing a second layer, you are more likely to end up trapping moisture/encouraging mould etc.. The easiest way to shield the wall would be to use a telescopic curtain pole(s) to carry an additional shower curtain (which could be unclipped to dry out if needs be,and to aid air flow to the wall) A previous Compass/Elddis (2007?) we had, only had the "vinyl wall paper" covering but I'm pretty sure it also had a wrap around shower curtain track?..although I may well be misremembering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 jumpstart My 2005 Hobby motorhome’s bathroom/toilet area had a separate shower cubicle. The cubicle had plastic sheeting on its vertical walls and a folding Remis plastic door, but Hobby - in its infinite wisdom - extended the bathroom’s ‘paper covered’ ceiling into the shower cubicle and (unsurprisingly as the bathroom had no celing-height ventilation) mould formed on the shower cubicle’s ceiling and cleaning the mould off damaged the surface. I covered the shower cubicle’s ceiling area with white plastic sheeting bought from a local firm specialising in providing materials to professional bathroom installers, using a Sikaflex-type product as the adhesive . It was a fiddly job - particularly as the ceiling was curved - but the result was very successful. As Tracker warns, covering the walls would be challenging: the panel sizes would be a lot larger than my Hobby’s cubicle’s ceiling, but at least you’d be working with vertical surfaces and just two walls. A Sikaflex-type adhesive should bond OK between the existing surface and an added plastic skin. As Cassie says, if you used very thin plastic you might get bumps. The plastic I used was quite thick and I dotted the adhesive all over the ceiling before putting the plastic covering in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 I’ve spent multiple years refurbing kitchens and bathrooms so doing this small area would be tricky but doable. I was more concerned about adhesive and possibly condensation between layers. There is a vinyl cover strip vertically half way along the wall which is some sort of contact adhesive but is peeling with some mould on the visible curled edges. When I pointed this out to the dealer they are sympathetic but say what do you want us to do...shrug. So that is why I thought of PVC sheet . I agree that a thicker sheet is advertised, it’s always good to get the views on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Hi Jump start, I have a 115 of 2015 vintage, the coating in mine is really tough stuff and after five years of use is not showing any sign of wear. As for sticking anything to the walls (presuming it is the same covering ) was the devils own job just to get three towel hooks to adhere to it after about four attempts I finally got double sided waterproof Gorilla tape to fix it and one of them came off after a couple of years. lol Good luck Pete P.S after five vans, four from new three Auto Sleepers, this Elddis Sunseeker 115 has been the best of the lot so far, Of course, some aspects are done more cheaply but overall it has been well made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 breakaleg I think I’ve generally been persuaded not to carry this out. However I do still have the problem with the25mm wide join strip of the same material which I s peeling. So will probably glue on a cover strip. Had a lot of outings in ours and very pleased with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 jumpstart The peeling is because damp is pushing it out from the outside ;-) .......... You'll be better of applying your mastic to the outside :-| ....... After carefully cutting back the exposed mastic to a sticky core......and hope that the new gunk is acceptable to the old gunk :-S ....... Derek the Useful will prolly know chapter and verse what will accept what :D ...... Although dont mention I said it 8-) ....... As I fear he's still struggling to accept me as his internet adopted son :D ....... Who was born on the darkside in CB :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 QUOTING In my posting of 15 April 2020 8:25 AM above I politely asked that, on the Motorhome Matters forum, forum members use the QUOTE feature sparingly. and not indiscriminately. This request clearly fell on deaf ears, so I’ll ask again: Don’t QUOTE unless it’s really necessary and - if you do QUOTE - just quote the part of a preceding posting that’s relevant. If I see this sort of thing https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/BOO-/54883/31/ starting to happen here I shall get really peeved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-16 6:46 PM QUOTING Don’t QUOTE unless it’s really necessary and - if you do QUOTE - just quote the part of a preceding posting that’s relevant. Yes Daddy :D ....... (Edited to shorten quote as per Derek's request - Keithl) :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Morning Jumpstart, I know the strip you mean, the one at the rear of the washroom? mine was curled up on the edges but sound over the joint, unsightly If it is the same as mine it would be difficult to wet this joint during normal use. My van was like this on delivery from the factory. They use the same seal across the van but the ones outside of the washroom show no signs of curling t the edges, I mentioned this while the van was still under warranty and the dealer did say that they could replace the strip but it would end up the same and after talking to someone who had it done just confirmed this. I think that what they line the washroom with is a different type boarding to what is used in the body of the van more (oily ) for the want of a better word, as I said before getting anything to stick was difficult, I tried a variety of different glues and they all just peeled off the wall when the hooks dropped off the wall. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 “breakaleg” thanks for that ,yes it’s the same. Just looks unsightly so will see if a sika adhesive/sealer will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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