chas Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Regards a thread a short while back on some manufacturers of motorcaravans not suppling a spare wheel, but giving a can of tyre sealant to fix the punctured tyre. Well its been a good few years since I encountered a puncture, but today I found that my van had indeed had a slow puncture, and I decided to fix it with a tyre sealant, one made for the larger size tyre ( 15" ) Followed the instructions to the letter, and the tyre after the injection was supposed to inflate to at least get you home or to a garage to top up the pressure. No chance ! it still remained flat. So anyone out there who thinks this idea will help them are in for a big shock. Carry a 12v compressor with you or you will be stuck. I had one so no problem. chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi Chas, I read somewhere that using the can of tyre sealant caused some difficulty when the punction is repaired by the traditional method. Apparently, its the devils own job to remove the sealant from the rims to obtain a good seal again, also repairing by vulcanising is imeded. What was your experience Chas, of later work on the wheel by the tyre fitters? Just as a matter of some interest perhaps, I had a slow puncture, picked a nail up in Arromanches, drove to Bayeaux and the tyre fitter repaired the puncture with a rubber plug for 10 euros, still legal in France, went illegal in uk about 20 or more years ago I think. Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi terry.I have a bmw m roadster and it has the tyre sealant and no spare. I had call to use the sealant once on the rear, the tire when up ok, but when I had to take the car into bmw for a new tire, I watched as they tryed all sorts to get the old tire off and save the wheel. in the end they cut the tire off and spend an age cleaning up the wheel. I am sorry to say that you are wrong re pluging tires, just had two done on my 4x4 here in exmouth due to builders leaving pin nails all over the road, total cost to them was 30 pounds. I like you had the idea that they no longer pluged tires here, but they do here in exmouth anyway. terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi Terry- The sealant seems to have worked and as far as I can see will stay that way. I found the offending nail/stud and extracted it before the injection of sealant. I have heard that the tyre fitters dont like to clear the mess if the tyre needs any attention, but as far as I am concerned if the tyre should pick up another nail or whatever it will self heal itself imeadiatly. As part of checking the van over I always see that the wheels are free from sharp flints or metal objects. The tyre as stated was a slow puncture and so remedial action could be taken before damage occured. I think most punctures do occure when driving along and by the time one as realised something is wrong and found a suitable place to pull over from harms way, the tyre would be wrecked and therefore would not be considered worth repairing anyway. regards chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 hi all, i think the sealant in question, has to be put into the tyre permantly, it self seals alledgely, even if you pull a nail out or larger, it seals straight away. i think it cost around £30/£40 per wheel? its not the same as you use to repair a flat and inflate the tyre, i know thats useless, and they refuse to fix a punture afterwards. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Thanks Terry1956 (a good year obviously), Chas and Peter for the info, it is as suspected the tyre sealant can make a mess of the rims, okay for steel rims as they can be repainted easily, but a bit expensive if you have alloys. I got the info about not plugging tyres from a tyre fitter many moons ago, he couldn't repair the puncture on a new Morris Traveller with a plug in 1969, when he said then it was illegal. The first time I saw a plug used was on my 1938 Morris Minor back in 1956, and was a new procedure at that time. Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi Terry, I always did have the idea that they also stoped pluging tires, maybe its for high speed tires, not motorhomes or 4x4,s I don,t think I would be to happy with a plug on the M, mind you at 500 pounds a tire, I may rethink. How did you know it was a good year, :-D :-D terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Chapman Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hello All, The can of Tyre Sealant supplied with a vehicle and mentioned by Chas, in place of a spare wheel is one of two types. 1. Can of one-shot sealant that is put into the tyre through the valve and has sufficient pressure to inflate the tyre to a degree determined by the size of the tyre. 2. Can of one-shot sealant that is put into the tyre through the valve but not designed to re-inflate the tyre to a working pressure. In both cases, especially the second, a compressor will be required to inflate the tyre to the correct pressure and most of the new vans without a spare have a compressor as standard or as a chargeable option. It is these sealants that cause the tyre to be trashed when repairing a puncture as has been mentioned. These sealants should not be confused with the permanent tyre sealant like Protex which is pumped into the tyre and seals a number of punctures and does not damage the tyre or wheel. To the best of my knowledge, unless the law has recently changed, tyre plugging is perfectly legal as long as it is done correctly with the correct type of plug. It must be in the tread area of the tyre NOT the shoulder or sidewall. The plug should be of a mushroom shape, inserted from the inside and a patch, in some cases, vulcanised over the plug head. The illegal plug/method is the rubber strip type coated in sealant and inserted into the puncture hole from the outside using a special tool (Bodkin) to force the plug into the hole. These can be legal if the tyre is removed and a patch vulcanised over the inside of the puncture hole. Hope this is of assistance. Regards, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 Hi Mike- The can I used to repair the slow puncture was for the larger tyre and stated that it would inflate the tyre, it did not and a compressor was needed, hence the warning in the first post. chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingpete Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Many motorcyclists swear by "Ultraseal", which is a pumped in pinkish liquid sealant. Seen it demo'd a lot and seems very good. Riders I know have used it and tell of it being successful, and not just once. It stops the leaks and does not need replacing until tyre change is called for. I spoke to my local specialist in bike tyres, and he has no problems with changing tyres that have had it, other than it stinks and is a mess to clean off hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith T Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 breakaleg - 2007-03-16 12:07 PM hi all, i think the sealant in question, has to be put into the tyre permantly, it self seals alledgely, even if you pull a nail out or larger, it seals straight away. i think it cost around £30/£40 per wheel? its not the same as you use to repair a flat and inflate the tyre, i know thats useless, and they refuse to fix a punture afterwards. pete I think there is some confusion here about the actual product. Form earlier information gleaned from some very helpful replies on the forum a while back there are two distinct differences - firstly a simply can from which you inject what I beleive to be a tempoary repair, until you can get the tyre taken off and sorted out in th every short term, and seocndly aproduct, of which Ultraseal is one axample, which is injected into all four tyres and 'self'seals in the event of puncture. My new motorhome wiull not be suppied with t spare, but the tepm can stuff, and I have done some research on Ultraseal. Without acutally knowing the full details of the tyres which will be on the motorhome, I have been quoted approx £60 for all for tyres, professionally done by theeir agent at Plymouth. There are various fitters around the country I think, and also sometimes at the outdoor shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp002c784tp002c784tp Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi All I am very interested in inserting a sealant repair in my Motorhome tyres and had intended having it done at the Peterbourgh show next month until I read in February MMM in the Marketplace section an article for "Punctureseal", it stated that you could have the treatment done to 4x16inch tyres for about £47 and if you applied before the end of April you will receive a 15% discount, this I thought a very good deal. So I found the Punctureseal web site and I was very impressed with there details, they have 4 grades and they claim to supply the Emergency services and the millitary with there top grade product. I sent all my details to Punctureseal and requested the self install price for my 4 tyres and the reply was that I require 4x64 units =£80 less 15% = £68 +£4 p/p, This I thought was a big difference to the £47 quoted by the MMM article. I queried this price with Punctureseal and quoted the MMM quotation of £47 and they replied that they thought MMM where quoting for 2 caravan tyres ? I emailed MMM about these prices and the reply was that the article writer was in Australia and could not comment until his return. I received a DVD from Punctureseal and it is very impresive claiming that a vehicle had been run over a Police "stinger" and all 4 Tyres survived, They also claim that there products will survive the life of the Tyres and is easley cleaned off in the event of the tyre having to be removed. Terry :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Seems a lot dearer than Ultraseal, they were chargeing around £49 at Peterboro last time. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp002c784tp002c784tp Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi Basil Yes hence the reason for waiting until I go to the Peterbourgh show Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK3 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 A point worth remembering tyre seal is great if you discover you have a punture while static however you will still require a foot pump. If you have a punture on the road the chances are the tyre beading will come off the wheel rim needing the wheel off and a lot of hard work briused hands and swearing to get it back on before you apply tyre seal regards mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp002c784tp002c784tp Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Mark3 The Idea of Punctureseal or Ultraseal is you insert it in the Tyres before you have a puncture and it prevents you ever having one ! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 tp002c784tp002c784tp - 2007-03-20 8:07 PM Mark3 The Idea of Punctureseal or Ultraseal is you insert it in the Tyres before you have a puncture and it prevents you ever having one ! Terry Woah! I don't think even Punctureseal or Ultraseal would go quite that far, Terry. You can still suffer sidewall damage, hit something on the road, or just park carefully in a puddle with a broken bottle in it. If your tyre is holed in the wrong place, or if the hole is too big, the tyre still goes flat, and you still don't have a spare! With these systems, and no spare, make sure your breakdown cover will deal with an irreparable flat where you have no spare, wherever in the world you plan on going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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