Basil Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi All, I am still amazed that there are so few people signed up to this petition on the Number Ten e petition website, 791 last time I looked. Obviously people wanting to park (we are talking just parking here not overnighting or using as an Aire) in a local authority carpark for what ever reason, such as visiting local attractions or shopping without being ticketed for taking up too much space or overhanging bay or whatever other reason that they may decide is incorrect, are in the minority and it is not something that the majority want to do, strange! Is this really the reason or am I missing something? Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 or is it a fix???????????????????????? [cynic moi *-) ] B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Sorry! Is what a fix? Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrytraveller Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi Bas, I think most of the ancient MH'ers (like me) have given up touring and parking in UK, and are taking their MH into Europe before they are banned by so called green issues. I have signed the petition, but not holding my breath. I have no faith in our politicians, they never give a straight answer to a straight question, they must think the listeners are completely stupid. There seems to be no alternative party to vote for, unless its the BNP (^) Sorry to bring in politics - I feel a little bit better now - Regards Terry >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 That's a bit harsh Terry. I agree that nomadic non site touring in the UK is challenging, as is the weather, but there are areas that we are still welcome and when I find one I'll let you know. Makes me glad I'm the age I am and retired that's for sure! Certainly with their very different attitudes France and Germany are particularly appealing right now. Perhaps we should all do as the French would do - drive to London and clog up Westminster with a 1000 van protest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hello terry and starspirit, I can accept your points of view and yes you are reiterating the benefits abroad, but what I can't understand is everyone I speak to and lots send letters or complain on forums about how difficult it is to park when you for instance go to a campsite and then want to either visit a town or get some shopping, yet less than 800 people signing up to a petition when there are hundreds of thousands of motorhomers, I can't quite work it out is it complacency? Terry you are right in what you say and when the green issues start to bite and we can no longer travel abroad and are maybe restricted to short journeys at home that will then make the situation even worse. It is the fact that there is no provision being made for normal parking, not Aires, that the petition is about Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie123 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Ok I know I must be thick but where is the petition website? If it was more prominent then perhaps there would be more names I will certainly add mine if and when I find it. :$ :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Here you go eddie: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Motorhome Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie123 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Thanks Graham, I've added my name to petition. All the best Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Sory Eddie and thanks Graham, I was not cleaver enough to put the link in, probably thought that as it had been put on before most knew about it I suppose! Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Chapman Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 There is another aspect to the relatively small number of responses to the petition (791 out of a potential 80,000 registered Motor Caravans or a possible 160,000 Motor caravanners). Where is the petition being advertised? Only on the Motor Caravan forums? What is the likely active membership of these forums remembering that many are registered on several forums with the same or different name? The largest has 15000 registered users but the maximum accessing in any one day has been in the region of 400 so, on that basis, 791 is probably a good response. If you look at the Forums own surveys/petitions quite often the response is in tens and not even hundreds This petition needs to be advertised in the Motor Caravan magazines and with the owners clubs to get better coverage and we all need to tell as many others as possible. MMM how about giving this petition some exposure? Regards, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 So let me get this right, when I,m in my campervan I would be able to park in one of these spaces, even if it was a roamerhome, or my T25 that fits a standerd space? but if I'm working away and using a LWB Movano van and nipping into town for supplies I wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 colin - 2007-03-18 7:52 PM So let me get this right, when I,m in my campervan I would be able to park in one of these spaces, even if it was a roamerhome, or my T25 that fits a standerd space? but if I'm working away and using a LWB Movano van and nipping into town for supplies I wouldn't? From the information I have gathered it appears that many councils restrict car park weight limits to 1525 Kg in order to prevent commercial vehicles using them. It is that which tends to prevent MHs using them - except where councils make an exception. I wonder what would happen if they started applying the same rule to big 4x4s and other heavy cars as well as commercial vehicles and MHs :-) Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvin marvin Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I've added my name to the petition and I'm sure my wife will add hers. Just don't kid yourself this will have any effect. The only thing politicians are galvanised by is the potential loss of power. The numbers involved here are pretty insignificant in the scale of the country and its impact on seats. I'm sure that this gimmick of e-petitions will mean that they will use what matches with decisions that have already been taken. I've already decided that for the first time in my adult life, if I'm in the country I will not vote at the next general election. It appears that voting for the various parties only encourages them, so I've decided I'm going to ignore them by marking my vote with "None of the above" So whatever happens I'll just have to accept it and not moan, but this is a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 starvin marvin - 2007-03-19 10:09 AM I've already decided that for the first time in my adult life, if I'm in the country I will not vote at the next general election. It appears that voting for the various parties only encourages them, so I've decided I'm going to ignore them by marking my vote with "None of the above" I've done that in the past when our MEP, who had been doing a reasonable job for years, was deselected because of boundary changes. At least you are doing something positive - better that than just not bothering to vote at all. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icdsun Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Government owned E-Petitions also give them access to your email address, which when they bombard you with crap emails will be answered with "Lessons have been learned", my motto is beware of any politician with a mouth or an A***Hole, the resulting emission is the same. As a newbie I am greatly disappointed in the treatment that local authorities give motorhomes, it is a larger problem than I initially thought, as a group our disposable and spending power is considerable, our carbon footprint is low compared to a person taking flights, I have written to my local MP and MEP to ask them for their view on this and what they intend to do to protect us as a minority group, afterall, travelling communities (travellers) are apparently an ethnic minority and any attempt at enforcing laws on them is met with the usual outcry of Human Rights abuse etc and abject failure. It maybe that we need to ask our elected represenatives to petition the government as part of their green initative to allow parking on council carparks and provide waste & water disposal points, if they think there is a vote in it they will sell their soul down the river. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Basil - 2007-03-18 11:59 AM Sorry! Is what a fix? Bas I know some people who tried to vote on these polls who didn't receive their 'authentication' e-mail, many of which end up in the spam box. It took them several attempts to authenticate their vote. If this is happening a lot it will have a twofold effect - on their current attempt and put them off any future attempt. Lets face it, all you're going to see is a 'reply from Tone' telling you that he's right and you don't know what you're talking about! B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 twooks - 2007-03-19 2:25 PM Basil - 2007-03-18 11:59 AM Sorry! Is what a fix? Bas I know some people who tried to vote on these polls who didn't receive their 'authentication' e-mail, many of which end up in the spam box. It took them several attempts to authenticate their vote. If this is happening a lot it will have a twofold effect - on their current attempt and put them off any future attempt. Lets face it, all you're going to see is a 'reply from Tone' telling you that he's right and you don't know what you're talking about! B-) Can't say I have had that problem all five that I have signed up to e-mails for verification came within seconds, if any e-mail has gone to a Spam filter box then that is as retrievable as any other, so I don't see that as a problem more part of normal computer 'life'. With regard to a reply from'Tone', that would be good as it is not him that is saying anything about right or wrong so at least it would be brought to his attention after all he is still our elected Prime Minister like or loathe him. A larger number of signatories would give more weight to there being a problem, he could quite justifyably say that the tiny minority that has a problem is completely outweighed by the tens of thousands that obviously don't as they have not petitioned him and that is my point. Anyone who thinks that they can compile e-mail names and addresses would be wrong as most people should be using protected addresses by now and if they found it was being abused then discard it as easily as setting it up. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 icdsun - 2007-03-19 2:15 PM It maybe that we need to ask our elected represenatives to petition the government as part of their green initative to allow parking on council carparks and provide waste & water disposal points, if they think there is a vote in it they will sell their soul down the river. That's an idea I've put forward previously, Chris. There are local elections coming up in May. Why not have a word with the candidates in your ward and the local party leaders to see what they say. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizken Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Hi Basil, My thoughts are similar to Mike Chapman's, but he was quicker in posting a reply. The petitition needs to be advertised, in the same way that the recent petition on road pricing was publicised. It needs the backing of someone like Richard Hammond, who highlighted the other petition in the Mirror. I would suggest e-mailing MMM, Motor Caravan Magazine, Practical Motorhome, And Which Motorcaravan, requesting that they mention the petitition in their news column Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizken Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 On a different tack, which I omitted to add to the previous post that I have submitted a petition to the PM on the subject of Road Tolls, which points out that at the proposed top rate of £1,34 per mile, a vehicle doing 40 miles per gallon, at peak time/rates would pay the equivalent of an extra £53.60 per gallon. When, and if, this petition is accepted by Downing Street, I will post a thread asking for support Regards Ken Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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