Bulletguy Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have been handed a 225-page dossier urging them to investigate Dominic Cummings for allegedly perverting the course of justice, in relation to a statement about his journeys to the north-east of England at the height of the pandemic. The former regional chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal said Cummings’ claims during a press conference in Downing Street’s rose garden on 25 May affected the course of justice as they were made as Durham police’s investigation into his behaviour was already under way. In a statement, Afzal’s lawyers said: “The alleged offence of perverting the course of justice arises from Mr Cummings’ statement in the rose garden … Mr Cummings made public assertions about his conduct at Barnard Castle on 12 April and his actions on the weekend of 17-19 April that appear to be wholly inconsistent with accounts of his conduct at that time obtained from eyewitnesses.” Beautiful........bring it on. Next in line for the slammer.....his puppet. https://tinyurl.com/yyq74jno
Birdbrain Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Whats the difference ... To the squad on ere he's guilty as hell of anything and everything anyway from starting Covid, climate change, Labours rampant Jew hating and the poor weather ... Poor darlings
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 explains why the Tory press is trying to change the subject from the Current Prime Minister and his minder to the ex Labour leader. How do they explain the fact that Keir Starmer has the courage to suspend Jeremy Corbyn, but BoJo does not have the courage to do the same to Dominic Cummings? What sort of moron accepts 'testing my eyesight' as an excuse for going out for a drive >:-)
Birdbrain Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-31 6:47 AM explains why the Tory press is trying to change the subject from the Current Prime Minister and his minder to the ex Labour leader. How do they explain the fact that Keir Starmer has the courage to suspend Jeremy Corbyn, but BoJo does not have the courage to do the same to Dominic Cummings? What sort of moron accepts 'testing my eyesight' as an excuse for going out for a drive >:-) Same kind of blinkered "moron" that accepts the explanation of this fella ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying ... Hate on
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 the prominent lawyer Jolyon Maugham QC said Derbyshire’s Christmas festivities were unlikely to be disturbed. “The law is useless for moments like this. The police won’t be interrupting the Queen’s speech by kicking in your front door to demand proof of address,” he said. “You only get people to adhere if they feel the whole community is making sacrifices. But that went out the window when we saw what Dominic Cummings was doing – and I expect most of us think other government figures do it too.” https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/oct/27/victoria-derbyshires-covid-christmas-comments-problematic-say-experts
Birdbrain Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-31 8:34 AM the prominent lawyer Jolyon Maugham QC said Derbyshire’s Christmas festivities were unlikely to be disturbed. “The law is useless for moments like this. The police won’t be interrupting the Queen’s speech by kicking in your front door to demand proof of address,” he said. “You only get people to adhere if they feel the whole community is making sacrifices. But that went out the window when we saw what Dominic Cummings was doing – and I expect most of us think other government figures do it too.” https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/oct/27/victoria-derbyshires-covid-christmas-comments-problematic-say-experts ... While conveniently forgetting the Labour and SNP lot who did the same ... Hypocrite heaven
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-10-31 9:27 AM John52 - 2020-10-31 8:34 AM the prominent lawyer Jolyon Maugham QC said Derbyshire’s Christmas festivities were unlikely to be disturbed. “The law is useless for moments like this. The police won’t be interrupting the Queen’s speech by kicking in your front door to demand proof of address,” he said. “You only get people to adhere if they feel the whole community is making sacrifices. But that went out the window when we saw what Dominic Cummings was doing – and I expect most of us think other government figures do it too.” https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/oct/27/victoria-derbyshires-covid-christmas-comments-problematic-say-experts ... While conveniently forgetting the Labour and SNP lot who did the same ... Hypocrite heaven Cummings was worse because he was driving with suspect eyesight. But, unlike the Labour and SNP lot, is still in his post - because only BoJo can remove him
Birdbrain Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-31 9:32 AM Birdbrain - 2020-10-31 9:27 AM John52 - 2020-10-31 8:34 AM the prominent lawyer Jolyon Maugham QC said Derbyshire’s Christmas festivities were unlikely to be disturbed. “The law is useless for moments like this. The police won’t be interrupting the Queen’s speech by kicking in your front door to demand proof of address,” he said. “You only get people to adhere if they feel the whole community is making sacrifices. But that went out the window when we saw what Dominic Cummings was doing – and I expect most of us think other government figures do it too.” https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/oct/27/victoria-derbyshires-covid-christmas-comments-problematic-say-experts ... While conveniently forgetting the Labour and SNP lot who did the same ... Hypocrite heaven Cummings was worse because he was driving with suspect eyesight. But, unlike the Labour and SNP lot, is still in his post - because only BoJo can remove him Really ??? ... Stephen Kinnock was disciplined was he ??? ... Tahir Ali ???
StuartO Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Cummings has become a Darth Vader-type character in th eyes of many and there are those who are determined to see him done down because of his prominence. At the time of his trip from London to Durham and the excursion to Barnards Castle he was however acting alone simly as a father of a family under threat of COVID infection and he went to his family home in Durham where he could rely of getting somefamily support. This was a time when we knew little about the disease and lots of people were doing things like this in desperation because catching the virus seemed almost like getting a death sentence and his family needed help. I could identify with his desperation and the actions he took and I had sympathy for his actions. Durham police looked into it all and said there was “no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public”. But a retired Prosecutor, Mr Afzal, seems to be a on a mission to force what would appear to be disproportionate action, want Cummings charged with perverting the course of justice, seemingly simply because there were conflicting witness accounts of what actually happened. Mr Afzal's motives are not clear but he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about this and has submitted information and argumant demanding further investigation. Maybe the Durham police or the Durham CPS will look at it all again and maybe they won't but I dont see it as something Mr Afzal has any more right than any or us to press for, especially if he is on some sort of personal mission.
Guest pelmetman Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 The Loser squad blame Cummings for them losing Brexit :D............ Which just goes to show how Nasty they are.........and why they're flocking to NASTY Labour >:-) ........
Bulletguy Posted October 31, 2020 Author Posted October 31, 2020 StuartO - 2020-10-31 10:07 AM At the time of his trip from London to Durham and the excursion to Barnards Castle he was however acting alone simly as a father of a family under threat of COVID infection and he went to his family home in Durham where he could rely of getting somefamily support. This was a time when we knew little about the disease and lots of people were doing things like this in desperation because catching the virus seemed almost like getting a death sentence and his family needed help. I could identify with his desperation and the actions he took and I had sympathy for his actions. You have a short and selective memory Stuart. Matt Hancock said in the HoC on March 16th, "all unnecessary social contact should cease"......Johnson gave a public announcement on March 23d that "people ‘must’ stay at home". Five days later Cummings, his wife and child, left their home in London to drive up to his parents house at Durham ("people must stay at home" - Johnson March 16th). His wife was later to write in her Spectator blog describing the anguish of watching as her husband “lay doggo” with Covid-19 for 10 days before they emerged from quarantine “into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown”. Absolutely zero mention of the fact they'd gone to Durham and were not at home in London at all, and describing her Covid bed ridden husband who "lay doggo" for 10 days yet the same man packed and drove the family off up to Durham. Hallelujah.....it's a miracle. Lazareth has risen! Cummings claimed their decision to go to Durham was in case they needed childcare. Well i'm sorry but that is as lame as his excuse for "testing his eyesight". How do they think single parent families cope? A lot of people have been in a desperate situation but obeyed the 'stay at home' rules. Some who didn't have been handed extremely heavy fines. Whats different between the previous outrage over Cummings Durham and Barnard Castle "jolly" is this is a specific legal document levelling specific charges with supporting evidence, written by people who understand legal cases. This cannot simply be dismissed the same way as before - the document, in effect, sets out a legal case which justifies prosecution under the exact terms of the relevant law. There will be no ‘we reviewed the evidence and it’s not strong enough’ line with this; the people who write it know how much evidence has been needed in cases before and if that line gets pushed they can take it to review. Also they’re not bringing a case under the COVID regulations which we all know are vague and legally spotty, they’re going after Cummings for ‘perverting the course of justice’ which is a long standing and well understood piece of legislation, with a long history of prosecutions and precedents to fall back on. It doesn’t mean those in power won’t try to bend the rules to get Cummings off, but this time unlike last time they’re facing a group of people who know the rules if anything better than they do. Will it succeed? Johnson will do everything he can to get it shut down.
Barryd999 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-31 10:18 AM The Loser squad blame Cummings for them losing Brexit :D............ Which just goes to show how Nasty they are.........and why they're flocking to NASTY Labour >:-) ........ Its because of Brexit that the unelected President Cummings is running the country with his side kick moron sock puppet Johnson. Its because of that and them that we ended up with the worse death rate in the world from Covid at one point and are now blundering our way towards a much worse second wave but apparently "we" Are the nasty ones? Unbelievable.
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-10-31 3:51 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-31 10:18 AM The Loser squad blame Cummings for them losing Brexit :D............ Which just goes to show how Nasty they are.........and why they're flocking to NASTY Labour >:-) ........ Its because of Brexit that the unelected President Cummings is running the country with his side kick moron sock puppet Johnson. Its because of that and them that we ended up with the worse death rate in the world from Covid at one point and are now blundering our way towards a much worse second wave but apparently "we" Are the nasty ones? Unbelievable. The only explanation I can think of is people too thick to realise whats going on and only look at the pictures. BoJo always LOOKS relaxed and friendly, wheras by comparison those who care are tearing their hair out in desperation (at what BoJo is doing to the country) Press the mute button, just look at the picture, and BoJo probably looks nicer? PS: a bit like that video you posted - if you didn't understand whats being said and only look at the pictures you might think Potty Patel is nicer than Michael Spicer?
Barryd999 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-31 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-10-31 3:51 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-31 10:18 AM The Loser squad blame Cummings for them losing Brexit :D............ Which just goes to show how Nasty they are.........and why they're flocking to NASTY Labour >:-) ........ Its because of Brexit that the unelected President Cummings is running the country with his side kick moron sock puppet Johnson. Its because of that and them that we ended up with the worse death rate in the world from Covid at one point and are now blundering our way towards a much worse second wave but apparently "we" Are the nasty ones? Unbelievable. The only explanation I can think of is people too thick to realise whats going on and only look at the pictures. BoJo always LOOKS relaxed and friendly, wheras by comparison those who care are tearing their hair out in desperation (at what BoJo is doing to the country) Press the mute button, just look at the picture, and BoJo probably looks nicer? I dont think its just that. Its Brexit again. By now any rational thinking person would agree that the current government is totally hapless and has totally failed us all on every front from Brexit to handling Covid. However many long term Labour voters turned blue for Brexit and many long term Tory voters are so Brexit obsessed it was all that mattered so they all voted in someone who in normal times would never have got anywhere near number 10. Now, they are so heavily invested they cannot bring themselves to admit what a colossal mistake they have made. For many I suspect its just too much to bare.
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 StuartO - 2020-10-31 10:07 AM Cummings has become a Darth Vader-type character in th eyes of many and there are those who are determined to see him done down because of his prominence. At the time of his trip from London to Durham and the excursion to Barnards Castle he was however acting alone simly as a father of a family under threat of COVID infection and he went to his family home in Durham where he could rely of getting somefamily support. This was a time when we knew little about the disease and lots of people were doing things like this in desperation because catching the virus seemed almost like getting a death sentence and his family needed help. I could identify with his desperation and the actions he took and I had sympathy for his actions. Durham police looked into it all and said there was “no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public”. But a retired Prosecutor, Mr Afzal, seems to be a on a mission to force what would appear to be disproportionate action, want Cummings charged with perverting the course of justice, seemingly simply because there were conflicting witness accounts of what actually happened. Mr Afzal's motives are not clear but he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about this and has submitted information and argumant demanding further investigation. Maybe the Durham police or the Durham CPS will look at it all again and maybe they won't but I dont see it as something Mr Afzal has any more right than any or us to press for, especially if he is on some sort of personal mission. He failed to say he was going to his second home, which was illegal Then he took his virus out on a 60 mile drive to 'test his eyesight' And you - a Doctor - accept that Unbelievable :-S
jumpstart Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Quite simply he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-10-31 6:04 PM John52 - 2020-10-31 5:56 PM Barryd999 - 2020-10-31 3:51 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-31 10:18 AM The Loser squad blame Cummings for them losing Brexit :D............ Which just goes to show how Nasty they are.........and why they're flocking to NASTY Labour >:-) ........ Its because of Brexit that the unelected President Cummings is running the country with his side kick moron sock puppet Johnson. Its because of that and them that we ended up with the worse death rate in the world from Covid at one point and are now blundering our way towards a much worse second wave but apparently "we" Are the nasty ones? Unbelievable. The only explanation I can think of is people too thick to realise whats going on and only look at the pictures. BoJo always LOOKS relaxed and friendly, wheras by comparison those who care are tearing their hair out in desperation (at what BoJo is doing to the country) Press the mute button, just look at the picture, and BoJo probably looks nicer? I dont think its just that. Its Brexit again. By now any rational thinking person would agree that the current government is totally hapless and has totally failed us all on every front from Brexit to handling Covid. However many long term Labour voters turned blue for Brexit and many long term Tory voters are so Brexit obsessed it was all that mattered so they all voted in someone who in normal times would never have got anywhere near number 10. Now, they are so heavily invested they cannot bring themselves to admit what a colossal mistake they have made. For many I suspect its just too much to bare. Could be. like people who have been scammed may be too embarrassed to report it
John52 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-10-31 6:13 PM Quite simply he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. No sane person could accept his explanation for the jolly to Barnard Castle. (Let alone a Doctor) He was effectively saying to us all - f*ck you, I can do what I want. And there is nothing you can do about it. Time and again, BoJo has thrown others under a bus to save himself Yet BoJo's answer was 'piffle paffle wiffle waffle covid can affect your eyesight.' And BoJo's popularity rating plummeted Cummings must have one hell of a hold on BoJo
Barryd999 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-31 6:06 PM StuartO - 2020-10-31 10:07 AM Cummings has become a Darth Vader-type character in th eyes of many and there are those who are determined to see him done down because of his prominence. At the time of his trip from London to Durham and the excursion to Barnards Castle he was however acting alone simly as a father of a family under threat of COVID infection and he went to his family home in Durham where he could rely of getting somefamily support. This was a time when we knew little about the disease and lots of people were doing things like this in desperation because catching the virus seemed almost like getting a death sentence and his family needed help. I could identify with his desperation and the actions he took and I had sympathy for his actions. Durham police looked into it all and said there was “no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public”. But a retired Prosecutor, Mr Afzal, seems to be a on a mission to force what would appear to be disproportionate action, want Cummings charged with perverting the course of justice, seemingly simply because there were conflicting witness accounts of what actually happened. Mr Afzal's motives are not clear but he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about this and has submitted information and argumant demanding further investigation. Maybe the Durham police or the Durham CPS will look at it all again and maybe they won't but I dont see it as something Mr Afzal has any more right than any or us to press for, especially if he is on some sort of personal mission. He failed to say he was going to his second home, which was illegal Then he took his virus out on a 60 mile drive to 'test his eyesight' And you - a Doctor - accept that Unbelievable :-S Indeed it caused uproar here and we were feeling the effects of his little Jaunt to Barnard Castle for months afterwards. It put Barnard castle on the map and tourist enquiries and visitors were up 160% right when we didnt want them. Not only that but the local facebook groups were alive with morons saying if he can flout the rules so can we. There is no way in a million years he should have been allowed to carry on working in Government after that but this is what we are up against now. They just see themselves as untouchable and unaccountable. Some of the very traits they were against the EU for. Oh yeah and cummings is an unelected bureaucrat.
Guest pelmetman Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-10-31 6:13 PM Quite simply he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Get away with what?.........making a mistake :-| .......... How about the lawyer who let Savile escape justice whilst on Snakey Starmers watch......Or Blair who started a illeagal war and rewarded Janner with a Knighthood? ;-) ........... Should they be allowed to get away with "It"? >:-) .........
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