witzend Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Just read this in link below Travel within the UK discouraged, except for work and International travel out of the UK banned, except for work https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-cant-england-goes-second-164200688.html
Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure.
jumpstart Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Im already on a remote site in the motorhome. The question i would ask is do i drive 90 miles to my dental appointment in 3 weeks time?
StuartO Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit.
Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it.
colin Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 The governments own figures from a couple of weeks back show quite clearly the biggest spreaders are those under 19, leaving schools open will just prolong the hurt.
StuartO Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:56 AM StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it. I don't understand the weight the Government have been placing on keeping schools and universities open and yes, there are bound to be puzzling contradictions in the way some of the restrictions workout. They haven't said yet whether campsites should close either. But it doesn't matter what your prediction or mine might be; we're not the Government which has the responsibility to make the decisions. But the point I'm making is that it's not helpful at all for people to keep focusing on the contradictions and making a meal of hindsight challenges to what might have been done differently (and the media endlessly demanding apologies for what they now see as mistakes) when what matters at the moment is encouraging better compliance with the Government's restrictions because they are the Government's Restrictions and they're from the only Government we've got. This is a global pandemic which is killing a lot of people and we all need to cooperate in this crisis to avoid unnecessary extra deaths. So I say again, stop being a critic or a rebel and try to do your bit to make the new Lockdown work.
Guest pelmetman Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 colin - 2020-11-01 9:12 AM The governments own figures from a couple of weeks back show quite clearly the biggest spreaders are those under 19, leaving schools open will just prolong the hurt. You only need to see the pictures of the Young & Dumb cavorting on the streets to see where the virus is being spread *-) ............. Down here all the hot spots are in places with universities :-| ........... I wonder when they'll realise it'll be them and their kids who will be picking up the Pandemic tab? 8-) ..........
Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-01 10:44 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:56 AM StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it. I don't understand the weight the Government have been placing on keeping schools and universities open and yes, there are bound to be puzzling contradictions in the way some of the restrictions workout. They haven't said yet whether campsites should close either. But it doesn't matter what your prediction or mine might be; we're not the Government which has the responsibility to make the decisions. But the point I'm making is that it's not helpful at all for people to keep focusing on the contradictions and making a meal of hindsight challenges to what might have been done differently (and the media endlessly demanding apologies for what they now see as mistakes) when what matters at the moment is encouraging better compliance with the Government's restrictions because they are the Government's Restrictions and they're from the only Government we've got. This is a global pandemic which is killing a lot of people and we all need to cooperate in this crisis to avoid unnecessary extra deaths. So I say again, stop being a critic or a rebel and try to do your bit to make the new Lockdown work. Do you not think we should hold them to account though Stuart? Surely public opinion matters. If enough people cry foul on this government and its dodgy decisions then it will influence policy. Simply just being good little citizens and following everything they say without calling them out when they get it wrong is absolutely the wrong thing to do IMO. Of course I want the lockdown to work but its not enough and its too little too late. I guess I will be "doing my bit" just like during the first lockdown working with the charity i do work for protecting and helping the vulnerable across the Dales.
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-01 10:44 AM hindsight challenges . Have you been asleep for the past 5 weeks Stuart? The Medical profession has been calling for a circuit breaker lockdown ever since Dishi Rishi's Eat out to help Tory Donors & Fraudsters scam stoked up this second wave. Kier Starmer asked for it as soon as he found out the science BoJo claimed to be following over a fortnight ago, and was called a 'shameless opportunist' Just 10 days ago BoJo said a lockdown would be 'The Height of Absurdity' Now he is doing exactly that. And you have completely missed the point of Barry's post - that a Motorhome is a great way of self isolating. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/our-incompetent-leaders-played-down-coronavirus-to-protect-the-economy
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-01 8:20 AM Im already on a remote site in the motorhome. The question i would ask is do i drive 90 miles to my dental appointment in 3 weeks time? I can see no reason why not
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Weather is picking up Better make the most of it before the 'Height of Absurdity' starts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/boris-johnson-england-coronavirus-lockdown-timeline I hope I don't get a vehicle fault or medical problem that stops me driving back ;-)
Guest pelmetman Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 John52 - 2020-11-01 12:02 PM Weather is picking up Better make the most of it before the 'Height of Absurdity' starts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/boris-johnson-england-coronavirus-lockdown-timeline I hope I don't get a vehicle fault or medical problem that stops me driving back ;-) So you're planning on defying the Gorbals Gobbess? 8-) ........... She will be pleased >:-) ......... Any idea what her email address is? :D .........
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-11-01 1:20 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 12:02 PM Weather is picking up Better make the most of it before the 'Height of Absurdity' starts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/boris-johnson-england-coronavirus-lockdown-timeline I hope I don't get a vehicle fault or medical problem that stops me driving back ;-) So you're planning on defying the Gorbals Gobbess? 8-) ........... She will be pleased >:-) ......... Any idea what her email address is? :D ......... I don't think she'll be too upset at me nipping over the border to dispose of my binbags (lol)
Bulletguy Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-01 10:44 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:56 AM StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it. I don't understand the weight the Government have been placing on keeping schools and universities open..... Regards universities it seems to be financially motivated regarding residential students. Not so long back students were told universities would be re-opening and residential students returned....only to find themselves 'locked down' in their flats. The universities were not functioning at all but as long as the students are physically living there, they must have to pay. It seemed a bit senseless to me to have them travel from varying parts of the country, only to be shut in as soon as they arrived. I don't know why schools are open at all. Two weeks ago i had to go for a hospital appointment and took a taxi as i'm not up to driving at the moment. There are two schools in my village, a primary and senior. I was shocked to see all the kids piling out in groups of friends as they usually do.....and not a single mask to be seen anywhere. So ok the chances of them dying from Covid is extremely low, but they are prime carriers and will spread the virus. The bottom line is we've never really had a proper full on lockdown. Government should have looked at what countries did which quickly got their cases under control. Not worth mentioning the Pandemic Preparedness strategy as government totally ignored that and it may as well be in the bin now as that horse bolted long back.
witzend Posted November 1, 2020 Author Posted November 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 11:05 AM How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. Couldn't agree more all schools need to be closed the argument that kids are loosing out on education can be easily got over by shorting their day breaks and holidays extending their school time by 12 months leave at 17 instead of 16
Birdbrain Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:56 AM StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it. Does your concern stretch to other EU countries in lockdown or similar that have kept schools etc open or is it just here ???
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) and Brexit hasn't really started yet 8-) and after over 4 years we still haven't got one meaningful trade deal lined up 8-) All we have is BoJo's Blind Optimism Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S
Birdbrain Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 John52 - 2020-11-01 5:15 PM The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S and we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S Chuckle ... A fella who chucks human waste in public bins preaches to others about spreading germs ... You really couldn't make it up, well maybe he could
John52 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 5:23 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 5:15 PM The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S and we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S Chuckle ... A fella who chucks human waste in public bins preaches to others about spreading germs ... You really couldn't make it up, well maybe he could Bagged waste in dog waste bins How does that spread Covid *-)
Guest pelmetman Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 John52 - 2020-11-01 5:27 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 5:23 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 5:15 PM The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S and we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S Chuckle ... A fella who chucks human waste in public bins preaches to others about spreading germs ... You really couldn't make it up, well maybe he could Bagged waste in dog waste bins How does that spread Covid *-) You ain't fussy where you spread your sh1t.........So how do you know your not a superspreader? :-| ........
Birdbrain Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 John52 - 2020-11-01 5:27 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 5:23 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 5:15 PM The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S and we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S Chuckle ... A fella who chucks human waste in public bins preaches to others about spreading germs ... You really couldn't make it up, well maybe he could Bagged waste in dog waste bins How does that spread Covid *-) Never said it did hater, take the blinkers off ... Given youve guffed about that why would we believe you only chuck your poo in dog bins ??? ... Does that mean your a dog by the way and how exactly do you separate the pee from the poo ???
Birdbrain Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 5:54 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 5:27 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 5:23 PM John52 - 2020-11-01 5:15 PM The risk of kids dying from covid is so small they are probably better off risking it than missing out on school. They might not be social distancing if they weren't at school If kids are home their parents probably can't go to work. :-S and we are over 2 trillion in debt already 8-) Maybe the least worst option is to let kids risk it if they want to They probably will anyway, school or not I get that they might spread the virus to us old duffers We will just have to keep our distance from them as best we can. I'm convinced the biggest danger is in pubs, when you can't avoid getting close to strangers. Facing each other for extended periods, no wind to blow the virus away, talking loudly to be heard which projects the virus further, getting p*ssed and losing our inhibitions. If you were designing a situation to spread the virus, that would be it. Everyone I spoke to agreed we would have a second wave when they reopened the pubs. And the Eat Out subsidy concentrating people into 3 days guaranteed it. :-S Chuckle ... A fella who chucks human waste in public bins preaches to others about spreading germs ... You really couldn't make it up, well maybe he could Bagged waste in dog waste bins How does that spread Covid *-) Never said it did hater, take the blinkers off ... Given youve guffed about that why would we believe you only chuck your poo in dog bins ??? ... Does that mean your a dog by the way and how exactly do you separate the pee from the poo ??? Princess ???
Barryd999 Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-01 4:47 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:56 AM StuartO - 2020-11-01 8:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-01 8:00 AM Stay at home I think is the general message. No overnighting and essential journeys only. Unless you are at school or college though. Then its ok to go carry on spreading the virus. Driving your motorhome to a remote spot for a bacon butty and a bit of a walk is clearly more dangerous than being in college or school and mixing with several hundred others. go figure. It will always be possible for people who want to challenge or ignore or mock Government restrictions to do so and clearly the police only have limited resources to enforce them but we all need to do our best to comply rather than to rebel in the current serious situation which threatens the NHS and all of us unless we comply. "Then it's OK to go carry on spreading the virus" is a silly and irresponsible thing to say because you are clearly expected to observed social distancing etc even if you do have to travel. And of course taking your home on the road (by driving your motorhome anywhere, even to a quiet spot for a bacon butty) is clearly inconsistent with the Lockdown and the fundamental requirement to stay at home. If you live in your motorhome you should clearly stay put unless you have to move for the permitted exceptional reasons. Don't be a smart-arse rebel, do your bit. How am I being a smart arsed rebel? I am not suggesting breaking the rules. I actually dont think the rules are tough enough but they are pointless if schools and colleges are allowed to stay open. The science is suggesting that long term stays in enclosed spaces spreads the virus as social distancing makes very little difference. Have a look at this and check out the visualisation. https://kottke.org/20/10/visualizing-how-covid-19-spreads-indoors I was pointing out the ridiculousness of it not being allowed to drive to a deserted area in your motorhome for a bacon butty and to watch the rain but its somehow ok for a thousand kids to be crammed into a school for 7 hours to then go back home and spread the virus. Whats the point of the lockdown? Its like herding all the sheep into a pen but leaving the gate open. My prediction is within three weeks the government will be forced to close schools once a few more thousand have succumbed to the virus as a result of keeping them open. You can probably kiss goodbye to the lockdown ending this side of Christmas then. Had they done a proper full lockdown for four weeks they just "might" have been able to lift it. Does your concern stretch to other EU countries in lockdown or similar that have kept schools etc open or is it just here ??? Right now, just here. I have no idea what is going on in other countries. I do know though that we have been one of the worst hit in the world so something isnt working for us and we are an island so it should have been easier to control. I was talking to my sister tonight who is a teacher as his her daughter and both of them think its madness as there just isnt the protection in place for long term safety indoors. The latest evidence shows how easy the virus spreads if you are indoors and social distancing doesnt really help. Its more about time. in and out of a shop in five minutes is probably ok, in a school or a pub for several hours, not ok.
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