Barcobird Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Thanks to the Brexiteers in the UK I now have to import my motorhome to Portugal because the new 90 day rule Is not long enough for travelling Europe. I have the engine number in the v55 and on the metal plate under the bonnet but during inspection they are going to check the number on the block as well. I have searched everywhere but can’t find it, it doesn’t help having the engine shoe horned into an A class motorhome. Reading an earlier thread someone mentioned it is a series of dots on the block. Does anyone know the exact location for a Fiat Ducato 2.3 diesel euro 6 ?
rayc Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 It is on the front [radiator side] of the block at the gearbox end.
Barcobird Posted November 4, 2020 Author Posted November 4, 2020 Excellent, thanks Rayc. Just got to find a way of getting to it now, pole with a mirror I guess. Surprised it’s on a plate and not stamped on the block
rayc Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Barcobird - 2020-11-04 5:17 PM Excellent, thanks Rayc. Just got to find a way of getting to it now, pole with a mirror I guess. Surprised it’s on a plate and not stamped on the block It is not a plate. It is a machined surface and the number is stencilled or stamped on it.
Alanb Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Barcobird - 2020-11-04 5:17 PM Excellent, thanks Rayc. Just got to find a way of getting to it now, pole with a mirror I guess. Surprised it’s on a plate and not stamped on the block Looks like a machined face on the block, to me. Alan
Hans Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 Take a record of this number in case your engine is for sale on the market after theft of the motorhome.
Derek Uzzell Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Barcobird - 2020-11-04 3:51 PM ...Reading an earlier thread someone mentioned it is a series of dots on the block. Does anyone know the exact location for a Fiat Ducato 2.3 diesel euro 6 ? This is the earlier forum thread that mentioned the ‘dots’. https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Ducato-Engine-Number/39431/ It goes without saying that, although the number is where shown in rayc’s photos (that I’ve taken the liberty of ‘enhancing’) reading the number when the motor is in situ will be challenging - so best of luck to the Portuguese inspectors! Although no help to Barcobird, a print out provided to me by a local Fiat Professional agency shows the specification of my Rapido’s Ducato base-vehicle that includes the Fiat factory-fitted options, when the Ducato chassis was handed over to Rapido and also quotes the Ducato’s engine number. I’ve attached below a photo relating to a secondhand Ducato 2.3litre Euro 4 motor and that shows the format of the informatin on the engine block (the dotting is obvious). The engine number shown on my 2015 Ducato’s Fiat Professional printout comprises 7 numbers, so 0851175 may be the number of the engine in the photo.
Deneb Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 The number is a dot-machine stamping into a machined face. If the inspectors wish to physically see it they will presumably have equipment necessary to enable them to do so, as it will be a regular occurrence for them. I used to have to do it regularly and variously used a torch, a flexible mini-lamp, various sized and shaped mirrors, some on flexi-shafts, a borescope, wire wool, abrasive paper, degreasing and other chemicals. I doubt too much intervention will be necessary on a Euro 6 vehicle, but reading a 20-odd year old engine is a different matter. The line starting F1AE is the engine type designation code. The seven-digit number (0851175 in the image) is the sequential production number. Together, those two lines form the complete engine number, but the seven-digit number is commonly referenced as "the engine number" and is all that normally appears on registration documents. The numbers may still be present on a printed paper label also stuck on the engine, probably on the plastic timing cover, but for an official inspection the stamped number is the only acceptable location since paper labels can be falsified or transferred between vehicles, and paper documents can also be falsified or contain unintentional errors.
Barcobird Posted November 5, 2020 Author Posted November 5, 2020 Thank you all very much, your replies are extremely helpful. Looking at the first picture it looks quite accessible until you are lying on your back trying to get past loads of ancillary parts and tubes. It is the inspectors job to read it but I know from earlier experiences if he can't then I have a trip and a large bill to Fiat for them to provide me with a certificate ! They simply will not trust v55's or metal plates so the more help I can give the guy the better :-D
Deneb Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Barcobird - 2020-11-05 10:37 AM Looking at the first picture it looks quite accessible until you are lying on your back trying to get past loads of ancillary parts and tubes. You should try the ones on more recent Mercedes Sprinters. Many's the time I have had to remove the heater airbox, stand on a step and tip myself upside down into the engine bay off of a caravan step or similar, whilst a helpful assistant passes me the necessary tools. Then I had to rely on him to pull me back out when I'd finished, since I'd never make it on my own!
Barcobird Posted November 12, 2020 Author Posted November 12, 2020 Just to conclude, the motorhome went for the inspection. I pointed out where the number was and with the aid of a flexible stick type torch he was able to read it. The chassis number was a pain in the butt, I had to remove the gas bottles(gaslow plumbed in system)for him to see the number through a little glass panel over the wheel arch. Inspection of the gas system is scheduled for today then we should be good to go and get it imported :-)
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