Fishing rights

[Bulletguy]

Hilarious stuff on this mornings Vine show with batty ex-Brexit party MEP June Mummery talking a right load of bo11ox over UK fishing deal, "taking back FULL control" and wanting "100% [of the fishing] back to the UK".

 

Best of all, she ends up clashing with fellow Brexiteer James Max, but unfortunately for wacko Mummery he has brain cells! (lol)

 

[Barryd999]

Apparently its bad form to call them thick but dear God. Thick as mince doesn't even come close with that one.

[John52]

FT did an article on it a couple of days ago from Brixham - everyone saying they wish they hadn't voted for Brexit. No point catching it if you can't sell it - and they haven't got the boats to catch it now even if they did get the quotas back that they have sold to EU boats.

Brexit voter saying he has just discovered he will have to complete certificates of origin for every consignment of fish on every lorry which may come from 30 different boats, with several different species 8-)

Mountains of paperwork have to be done in a hurry when you have lorryloads of fresh fish waiting to go. Just one mistake on the mountain of paperwork and it could be turned back at Calais - by the French who have no reason to make it easy, and every reason to make it difficult if we have just seized back the quotas we sold them :-S

Englands biggest fish exporter saying if we don't get a free trade deal he might as well give up :-S

[John52]

problem is that most of the fish we eat has to be imported, and most of what we catch has to be exported.

Because British people don't want the fancy stuff that we catch :-S

[Barryd999]

The whole Brexit fishing thing is completely political. I suspect its high up the agenda for the Tories and Brexiteers to demonstrate just how they "stuck it to the EU" (Well mainly those pesky French) over fishing. I think it could well backfire within weeks though if fishermen are unable to get their catches into Europe. The Guernsey Fishermen got a taste of that back in February when French vessels were denied access to their waters. The French just simply closed the ports to them. Game over.

 

Shell fishing in particular is at huge risk as nearly all of it goes to Europe and it has to be shipped really quickly. Without a deal and frictionless trade they are completely FUBARED.

 

[Guest pelmetman]

I see the LOSER fish swim in shoals in Chatterbox :D ..........

 

(lol) (lol) (lol) ...........

[jumpstart]

John52 - 2020-12-02 8:44 AM

 

problem is that most of the fish we eat has to be imported, and most of what we catch has to be exported.

Because British people don't want the fancy stuff that we catch :-S

 

Exactly what “ fancy” stuff are you refering to?

 

Imported fish prices will rise

Domestic fish catch will increase..price will drop.

Supermarket imported fish now too expensive...sales will drop

Supermarket domestic fish sales will increase.

[jumpstart]

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 8:55 AM

 

The whole Brexit fishing thing is completely political. I suspect its high up the agenda for the Tories and Brexiteers to demonstrate just how they "stuck it to the EU" (Well mainly those pesky French) over fishing. I think it could well backfire within weeks though if fishermen are unable to get their catches into Europe. The Guernsey Fishermen got a taste of that back in February when French vessels were denied access to their waters. The French just simply closed the ports to them. Game over.

 

Shell fishing in particular is at huge risk as nearly all of it goes to Europe and it has to be shipped really quickly. Without a deal and frictionless trade they are completely FUBARED.

 

You are probably right.

The fishing problem has always been a minnow. Its just a political football as we know it means so much to the eu countries.

[John52]

jumpstart - 2020-12-02 9:42 AM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 8:44 AM

 

problem is that most of the fish we eat has to be imported, and most of what we catch has to be exported.

Because British people don't want the fancy stuff that we catch :-S

 

Exactly what “ fancy” stuff are you refering to?

 

Imported fish prices will rise

Domestic fish catch will increase..price will drop.

Supermarket imported fish now too expensive...sales will drop

Supermarket domestic fish sales will increase.

 

You are lumping all the fish together and its not the same fish.

The fish caught in UK is mostly niche market fish that the average British consumer doesn't want.

Unless perhaps if you drop the price to the level where its not worth catching.

Thats the value of free trade.

For instance you couldn't sell snails here but you could sell them in France.

That gives you foreign currency to buy stuff that British people need.

Foreign currency thats becoming increasingly valuable here as BoJo trashes the pound.

 

Sorry but its too complicated to reduce to a 3 word slogan for you Brexiteers to understand :-S

[John52]

pelmetman - 2020-12-02 9:11 AM

 

I see the LOSER fish swim in shoals in Chatterbox :D ..........

 

(lol) (lol) (lol) ...........

 

Thats true actually

Its just that you still haven't worked out who the LOSERs are yet :-S

[jumpstart]

John52 - 2020-12-02 10:04 AM

 

jumpstart - 2020-12-02 9:42 AM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 8:44 AM

 

problem is that most of the fish we eat has to be imported, and most of what we catch has to be exported.

Because British people don't want the fancy stuff that we catch :-S

 

Exactly what “ fancy” stuff are you refering to?

 

Imported fish prices will rise

Domestic fish catch will increase..price will drop.

Supermarket imported fish now too expensive...sales will drop

Supermarket domestic fish sales will increase.

 

You are lumping all the fish together and its not the same fish.

The fish caught in UK is mostly niche market fish that the average British consumer doesn't want.

Unless perhaps if you drop the price to the level where its not worth catching.

Thats the value of free trade.

For instance you couldn't sell snails here but you could sell them in France.

That gives you foreign currency to buy stuff that British people need.

Foreign currency thats becoming increasingly valuable here as BoJo trashes the pound.

 

Sorry but its too complicated to reduce to a 3 word slogan for you Brexiteers to understand :-S

 

Don’t know what you think niche market fish are .

Monkfish,Sole,Mackeral,Haddock,Pollack,Whiting,Plaice,Hake,Hallibut.....all caught by Cornish fisherman,landed in uk and all available in supermarkets around here. Maybe you think these are fancy.

 

https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/snail-farming-sweeping-across-countryside-205772

 

Looks like the snail market has got off to a flying start.

[pepe63xnotuse]

I can sort of understand the "territory" side of things a bit ....?

(..eg, I wouldn't put up with a neighbour coming into our garden and helping themselves to my fruit and veg, just because a previous owner of our house had let them or sold them the "right" to :-D ).

 

However, a simple, genuine question.

If the UK homemarket can provide such a reliable, sustainable and profitable market for UK fishermen, why do they need to export so much and why did so much of the UK's quota get sold to foreign fishing boats/companies in the first place?

 

(as I say, genuine question, as I know nowt about it).

[colin]

pepe63 - 2020-12-02 11:37 AM

 

why did so much of the UK's quota get sold to foreign fishing boats/companies in the first place?

 

(as I say, genuine question, as I know nowt about it).

 

Because they where the ones willing to pay 'top dollar' for it.

There was a story a few years back of a Cornish fisherman wanting to retire, he refused high offers from French/Spanish to sell to a local man, as soon as the local man got it he sold on.

 

This is an interesting read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

[John52]

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum of our own money to get her to drop the case against Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

[Barryd999]

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:12 PM

 

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum to get her to drop the case agaibst Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

 

It sounds from the article that it could be legally difficult and the foreign owners will sue the government. At the very least they would need to be heavily compensated but they were described as long term investments. So much for chasing those funny foreigner fishermen away eh?

[John52]

John52 - 2020-12-02 10:10 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-12-02 9:11 AM

 

I see the LOSER fish swim in shoals in Chatterbox :D ..........

 

(lol) (lol) (lol) ...........

 

Thats true actually

Its just that you still haven't worked out who the LOSERs are yet :-S

 

We will all be the losers when EU fisherman sue us for the return of the mega money they paid English skippers to buy their English fish quotas.

BoJo will probably settle out of court without telling us how much it has cost us.

Like he has done already >:-)

[John52]

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 1:24 PM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:12 PM

 

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum to get her to drop the case agaibst Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

 

It sounds from the article that it could be legally difficult and the foreign owners will sue the government. At the very least they would need to be heavily compensated but they were described as long term investments. So much for chasing those funny foreigner fishermen away eh?

 

Can you simplify that to a 3 word slogan for Pelmet :-S

[Barryd999]

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:31 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 1:24 PM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:12 PM

 

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum to get her to drop the case agaibst Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

 

It sounds from the article that it could be legally difficult and the foreign owners will sue the government. At the very least they would need to be heavily compensated but they were described as long term investments. So much for chasing those funny foreigner fishermen away eh?

 

Can you simplify that to a 3 word slogan for Pelmet :-S

 

Froggy Fisherman Staying?

[Bulletguy]

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 7:15 AM

 

Apparently its bad form to call them thick but dear God. Thick as mince doesn't even come close with that one.

Hardly an Ambassador for Brexit is she? I was just staggered when she went off on one against James Max though as he's a known Brexiteer. She didn't like him stating the blindingly obvious. I imagine her supporters to be in the dimmer twins mould. :-|

[Bulletguy]

pepe63 - 2020-12-02 11:37 AM

 

I can sort of understand the "territory" side of things a bit ....?

(..eg, I wouldn't put up with a neighbour coming into our garden and helping themselves to my fruit and veg, just because a previous owner of our house had let them or sold them the "right" to :-D ).

You wouldn't have any say in the matter if owned by someone else! Quotas which were sold, we can't start saying we want those back and we want them for free...it doesn't work like that but some Brits seem to think it should do!

 

However, a simple, genuine question.

If the UK homemarket can provide such a reliable, sustainable and profitable market for UK fishermen, why do they need to export so much and why did so much of the UK's quota get sold to foreign fishing boats/companies in the first place?

 

(as I say, genuine question, as I know nowt about it).

The impression I got from speaking to professional fishermen in Scotland was price.....Brits don't want to pay much for fish. That came from a trawler owner whose boat I was watching unload at Peterhead. This was further confirmed by the skipper of prawn trawler on the Isle of Skye who had had a good catch and told me virtually all his prawns go to France because he gets a better price.

[Bulletguy]

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

 

pepe63 - 2020-12-02 11:37 AM

 

why did so much of the UK's quota get sold to foreign fishing boats/companies in the first place?

 

(as I say, genuine question, as I know nowt about it).

 

Because they where the ones willing to pay 'top dollar' for it.

There was a story a few years back of a Cornish fisherman wanting to retire, he refused high offers from French/Spanish to sell to a local man, as soon as the local man got it he sold on.

 

This is an interesting read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

Sounds about right........a classic case of cutting nose off to spite face! (lol)

[Bulletguy]

 

More here on quotas, 'quota hoppers', and those that actually own UK fishing industry. Just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List hold or control 29% of the UK’s fishing quota.

 

The finding comes from a new Unearthed investigation that traced the owners of more than 95% of UK quota holdings – including, for the first time, those of Scotland, the UK’s biggest fishing nation.

 

Also the 'black fish millionaires' an organised crime racket. 8-)

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/ (lots of embedded links worth a read)

[Guest pelmetman]

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:31 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 1:24 PM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:12 PM

 

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum to get her to drop the case agaibst Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

 

It sounds from the article that it could be legally difficult and the foreign owners will sue the government. At the very least they would need to be heavily compensated but they were described as long term investments. So much for chasing those funny foreigner fishermen away eh?

 

Can you simplify that to a 3 word slogan for Pelmet :-S

 

LOSER bloaters Kippered >:-) ..........

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2020-12-03 9:44 AM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:31 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-02 1:24 PM

 

John52 - 2020-12-02 1:12 PM

 

colin - 2020-12-02 12:19 PM

The UK has no plans to give UK fishermen the sold quotas.

 

Thats very reassuring *-)

 

Didn't say they won't.

Just that they have no plans to *-)

 

so they can do it without going back on their word

 

So I guess it didn't come from BoJo because he doesn't seem to bother about going back on his word

 

or being sued and having to settle by paying out large sums of your money

(Like the Civil Servant Cummings sacked for telling the truth, and we had to pay out an undisclosed sum to get her to drop the case agaibst Cummngs.)

 

Which we may have to again, when those EU boats who have bought English quotas from English skippers for mega money, sue us for compensation.

 

It sounds from the article that it could be legally difficult and the foreign owners will sue the government. At the very least they would need to be heavily compensated but they were described as long term investments. So much for chasing those funny foreigner fishermen away eh?

 

Can you simplify that to a 3 word slogan for Pelmet :-S

 

LOSER bloaters Kippered >:-) ..........

Johnsons government or UK fishermen? Can only be one or the other so which are you saying are the "losers" who have been "kippered"? :-|

[brugge]

I've got to say pulmetman for a six year old in a school playground your spelling is pretty good!