John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Obviously the EU is not going to give is a better deal as a non member than we had as a member. They might as well shut down now because everyone else wouild leave. So it will either be a bum deal or no deal I can see BoJo preferring no deal - because if he agrees to a bum deal he will own it, wheras a no-deal can be blamed on someone else. Worse for the country but better for him. As the Irish PM said 'Boris Johnson would set the country on fire if his hands were cold." But which one should Labour back?
John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-12-05 8:20 AM Just leaving the eu is a better deal. with a bum deal or with no deal? And better deal for who? My thoughts is the bum deal would be better than no deal for the country But worse for the politicians who vote for it because they would own it :-S
jumpstart Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 I’m not sure what your idea of a bum deal is. Its all just a trade deal. Most countries have them. The eu don’t want a competitive large economy on their door step. If we were the size of Greece ..they would’t give a toss.
John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-12-05 9:05 AM I’m not sure what your idea of a bum deal is. . a worse deal than we now have as a member making us less competative than we were before the referendum and before our industries started relocating abroad to be on the right side of potential EU trade barriers, so they can plan and invest for the long term.
John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 Doesn't affect me much personally as I long since gave up on UK shareholdings and moved my shareholdings to foreign companies. But even a bum deal would be a welcome reprieve for long suffering shareholders in British Industry.
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 John52 - 2020-12-05 9:37 AM Doesn't affect me much personally as I long since gave up on UK shareholdings and moved my shareholdings to foreign companies. But even a bum deal would be a welcome reprieve for long suffering shareholders in British Industry. Given the lifestyle your investments allow you to enjoy ;-) ........... I'd deffo say you have a Bum Deal 8-) ......... (lol) (lol) (lol) ...........
John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 Supporting BoJo's bum deal would be better than no deal for the country. But disastrous for Labour because BoJo could say they voted for it. And Nicola Sturgeon could say Labour is as bad as the Tories. The fact that Kier Starmer still wants to do it shows he is putting the country first
Barryd999 Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure.
John52 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 My guess is BoJo has taken over the negotiations himself so there are no witnesses to the fact it was him who scuppered the deal..... unless he is arrogant enough to think he can get the better of Ursula von der Leyen *-) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/05/brexit-why-is-boris-johnson-taking-over-talks-with-the-eu
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 4:58 PM Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure. Looks like Macron could grant your wish in just 26 days :D .............
Barryd999 Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-12-05 8:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 4:58 PM Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure. Looks like Macron could grant your wish in just 26 days :D ............. [/QUOTe] Perhaps but the buck still stops with you, Johnson and the rest of the Brexiteers. Nobody else. Own your sh1t! (lol)
Guest pelmetman Posted December 6, 2020 Posted December 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 9:09 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-05 8:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 4:58 PM Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure. Looks like Macron could grant your wish in just 26 days :D ............. [/QUOTe] Perhaps but the buck still stops with you, Johnson and the rest of the Brexiteers. Nobody else. Own your sh1t! (lol) Oh I do ;-) .......... Dragging your Loser arses out of the EU is indeed our victory B-) ......... A No Deal will just be the cherry on the top >:-) .........
Barryd999 Posted December 6, 2020 Posted December 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-12-06 9:38 AM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 9:09 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-05 8:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 4:58 PM Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure. Looks like Macron could grant your wish in just 26 days :D ............. [/QUOTe] Perhaps but the buck still stops with you, Johnson and the rest of the Brexiteers. Nobody else. Own your sh1t! (lol) Oh I do ;-) .......... Dragging your Loser arses out of the EU is indeed our victory B-) ......... A No Deal will just be the cherry on the top >:-) ......... LOL! So much so that you are too chicken to hang around here after the 1 January. *-) Assuming we do actually leave on 1 January of course and there isnt some kind of ratification extension.
Guest pelmetman Posted December 6, 2020 Posted December 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 10:16 AM pelmetman - 2020-12-06 9:38 AM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 9:09 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-05 8:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-12-05 4:58 PM Labour should probably abstain but it doesnt really matter. Its not their Brexit. Its the sole property of the ToryKipper party now. Labour can say they tried to go for a softer Brexit possibly with a confirmatory referendum but the people spoke at the 2019 election so its fcuk all to do with them now. Whichever way it goes now wont make that much difference. It will be a disaster for the UK either way but Johnson already owns it. Personally I would prefer no deal but it is true that he will try and blame the EU or the French if he fails to get a deal. There are millions of remainers of course just waiting to put people right and remind them of how we got to where we are. Johnson is going to have to pull some fancy rabbits out of the hat to get out of this one and remain PM in the New Year thats for sure. Looks like Macron could grant your wish in just 26 days :D ............. [/QUOTe] Perhaps but the buck still stops with you, Johnson and the rest of the Brexiteers. Nobody else. Own your sh1t! (lol) Oh I do ;-) .......... Dragging your Loser arses out of the EU is indeed our victory B-) ......... A No Deal will just be the cherry on the top >:-) ......... LOL! So much so that you are too chicken to hang around here after the 1 January. *-) Assuming we do actually leave on 1 January of course and there isnt some kind of ratification extension. 1 minute after midnight in 25 days time will mean its JOB DONE B-) ......... Some of us will be very busy in Brexit Blighty next year ;-) ......... I've got a lot to get done before I go to Spain for the winter :D ..........
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