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Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

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Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

Are you suggesting Peston is publishing fake government documents?

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Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 10:03 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

Are you suggesting Peston is publishing fake government documents?

 

I dont care what Mr Peston publishes wether its true or false ... You told the whole world "no-deal is dead" so why you getting into such a tizzy

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Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

24 days to go ;-) .......and the LOSERS bowels have started Loosening (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2020-12-07 9:03 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

24 days to go ;-) .......and the LOSERS bowels have started Loosening (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

I suspect its going to be the other way around. Its not us "losers" that will be facing the music if it all goes tities up is it? Thats why you will be running away to hide with johnson in his Fridge on Jan 1.

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Barryd999 - 2020-12-07 11:41 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-12-07 9:03 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

24 days to go ;-) .......and the LOSERS bowels have started Loosening (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

I suspect its going to be the other way around. Its not us "losers" that will be facing the music if it all goes tities up is it? Thats why you will be running away to hide with johnson in his Fridge on Jan 1.

No doubt about it.......everything is already going tits up so i'm rather looking forward to the time we bring all these moronic clowns to account. I'm still waiting for the footings to be dug of the first of the 40 brand new hospitals.......and there's only nine years left now. The hypocrite Parasiteman is under the illusion he's going to spend next winter months basking in Spain.......he's in for a rude awakening.

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Brian Kirby - 2020-12-07 5:47 PM

 

jumpstart - 2020-12-06 8:44 PM

Always look on the bright side of life....tada.......tada tada tada...

Mind, you do have to remember the circumstances in which that little ditty was being sung in Life of Brian! :-D

 

And i always thought it was a happy ending.

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Bulletguy - 2020-12-07 1:32 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-07 11:41 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-12-07 9:03 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

24 days to go ;-) .......and the LOSERS bowels have started Loosening (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

I suspect its going to be the other way around. Its not us "losers" that will be facing the music if it all goes tities up is it? Thats why you will be running away to hide with johnson in his Fridge on Jan 1.

No doubt about it.......everything is already going tits up so i'm rather looking forward to the time we bring all these moronic clowns to account. I'm still waiting for the footings to be dug of the first of the 40 brand new hospitals.......and there's only nine years left now. The hypocrite Parasiteman is under the illusion he's going to spend next winter months basking in Spain.......he's in for a rude awakening.

 

Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

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jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2020-12-07 1:32 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-07 11:41 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-12-07 9:03 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-12-06 8:43 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-06 5:57 PM

 

Government documents leaked to Peston.

 

Does this sound like the Sunlit uplands to you? Must be! Apparently they knew what they were voting for.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

 

Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ... Government Insider Alarm !!! ...

 

24 days to go ;-) .......and the LOSERS bowels have started Loosening (lol) (lol) (lol) ........

 

 

I suspect its going to be the other way around. Its not us "losers" that will be facing the music if it all goes tities up is it? Thats why you will be running away to hide with johnson in his Fridge on Jan 1.

No doubt about it.......everything is already going tits up so i'm rather looking forward to the time we bring all these moronic clowns to account. I'm still waiting for the footings to be dug of the first of the 40 brand new hospitals.......and there's only nine years left now. The hypocrite Parasiteman is under the illusion he's going to spend next winter months basking in Spain.......he's in for a rude awakening.

 

Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

 

The weather is best in the bit of Spain we go to in winter ;-) ..........

 

 

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Brian Kirby - 2020-12-09 11:40 AM

 

jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM.........................Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

Turkey is correct, but Croatia is in EU, 'though not in Schengen. Question: how does a motorhome get to either Turkey or Croatia without entering Schengen?

 

You could in theory (I think) do a month or two in Europe, say France, Germany and Italy then go into Croatia for a month or two then have your last month of the Schengen 90 days in Europe slowly travelling home. This was one option I toyed with for a long summer trip but it would be a bit naff in Winter. I dont think Croatia is good for wilding or aires though.

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jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM.........................Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

Turkey is correct, but Croatia is in EU, 'though not in Schengen. Question: how does a motorhome get to either Turkey or Croatia without entering Schengen?

You could in theory (I think) do a month or two in Europe, say France, Germany and Italy then go into Croatia for a month or two then have your last month of the Schengen 90 days in Europe slowly travelling home. This was one option I toyed with for a long summer trip but it would be a bit naff in Winter. I don't think Croatia is good for wilding or aires though.

Yes you could, but you'd have to get your passport stamped at whichever border you crossed into Croatia, and again when re-entering Schengen from Croatia. It was 2008 when we went, so the border will have changed since, but I wouldn't put too much money on being able to find the right person with the right stamp before I'd made sure they are properly geared up! That is maybe a bit unfair, as they were not then in the EU, but the formalities were distinctly "light" - despite the length of the queue! :-)

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jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM.........................Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

Turkey is correct, but Croatia is in EU, 'though not in Schengen. Question: how does a motorhome get to either Turkey or Croatia without entering Schengen?

You could in theory (I think) do a month or two in Europe, say France, Germany and Italy then go into Croatia for a month or two then have your last month of the Schengen 90 days in Europe slowly travelling home. This was one option I toyed with for a long summer trip but it would be a bit naff in Winter. I don't think Croatia is good for wilding or aires though.

Yes you could, but you'd have to get your passport stamped at whichever border you crossed into Croatia, and again when re-entering Schengen from Croatia. It was 2008 when we went, so the border will have changed since, but I wouldn't put too much money on being able to find the right person with the right stamp before I'd made sure they are properly geared up! That is maybe a bit unfair, as they were not then in the EU, but the formalities were distinctly "light" - despite the length of the queue! :-)

 

It was the only summer option I could come up with for a five to six month trip without going all the way out to Turkey or down to Morocco which will be too hot probably anyway. The key would be to arrive in Croatia when ACSI season starts probably. Then you could maybe travel back up through Italy (perhaps Venice) in mid October and get over the Alps towards home before winter and snow sets in.

 

Yes proof of entry and exit to Croatia would be vital.

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jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM.........................Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

Turkey is correct, but Croatia is in EU, 'though not in Schengen. Question: how does a motorhome get to either Turkey or Croatia without entering Schengen?

You could in theory (I think) do a month or two in Europe, say France, Germany and Italy then go into Croatia for a month or two then have your last month of the Schengen 90 days in Europe slowly travelling home. This was one option I toyed with for a long summer trip but it would be a bit naff in Winter. I don't think Croatia is good for wilding or aires though.

Yes you could, but you'd have to get your passport stamped at whichever border you crossed into Croatia, and again when re-entering Schengen from Croatia. It was 2008 when we went, so the border will have changed since, but I wouldn't put too much money on being able to find the right person with the right stamp before I'd made sure they are properly geared up! That is maybe a bit unfair, as they were not then in the EU, but the formalities were distinctly "light" - despite the length of the queue! :-)

It was the only summer option I could come up with for a five to six month trip without going all the way out to Turkey or down to Morocco which will be too hot probably anyway. The key would be to arrive in Croatia when ACSI season starts probably. Then you could maybe travel back up through Italy (perhaps Venice) in mid October and get over the Alps towards home before winter and snow sets in.

Yes proof of entry and exit to Croatia would be vital.

You'll need to check this Barry, but my understanding is that you are entitled to 90 days in Schengen in any 180 day period, with the clock commencing when you enter. The 180 days period looks back, not forward. So, if you haven't entered Schengen at all during the preceding 180 days, you start with a full 90 days allowance that you can "spend" over as many bites as you wish, but you must remember that both the day you enter and the day you leave count as "Schengen days".

 

If you are then able to spend 90 consecutive days in Croatia as a visitor (possible, but until Croatia goes into Schengen, as far as I know, they make their own rules on that), you can split your Schengen time along the route both going and returning to suit your own preferences.

 

So when you enter and leave Schengen from/to UK, your passport will be date stamped or (once into 2022) recorded electronically on ETIAS , and checked again when you finally leave Schengen, and if the Croat Immigration Officers haven't correctly recorded your non-Schengen time, there will be liable to be a barney at the (presumably) French border as you could look as though you've spent 180 consecutive days in Schengen in lieu of 90!

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jumpstart - 2020-12-07 7:14 PM.........................Why go to Spain..when you can go to Turkey or Croatia...free of the EU.

Turkey is correct, but Croatia is in EU, 'though not in Schengen. Question: how does a motorhome get to either Turkey or Croatia without entering Schengen?

You could in theory (I think) do a month or two in Europe, say France, Germany and Italy then go into Croatia for a month or two then have your last month of the Schengen 90 days in Europe slowly travelling home. This was one option I toyed with for a long summer trip but it would be a bit naff in Winter. I don't think Croatia is good for wilding or aires though.

Yes you could, but you'd have to get your passport stamped at whichever border you crossed into Croatia, and again when re-entering Schengen from Croatia. It was 2008 when we went, so the border will have changed since, but I wouldn't put too much money on being able to find the right person with the right stamp before I'd made sure they are properly geared up! That is maybe a bit unfair, as they were not then in the EU, but the formalities were distinctly "light" - despite the length of the queue! :-)

It was the only summer option I could come up with for a five to six month trip without going all the way out to Turkey or down to Morocco which will be too hot probably anyway. The key would be to arrive in Croatia when ACSI season starts probably. Then you could maybe travel back up through Italy (perhaps Venice) in mid October and get over the Alps towards home before winter and snow sets in.

Yes proof of entry and exit to Croatia would be vital.

You'll need to check this Barry, but my understanding is that you are entitled to 90 days in Schengen in any 180 day period, with the clock commencing when you enter. The 180 days period looks back, not forward. So, if you haven't entered Schengen at all during the preceding 180 days, you start with a full 90 days allowance that you can "spend" over as many bites as you wish, but you must remember that both the day you enter and the day you leave count as "Schengen days".

 

If you are then able to spend 90 consecutive days in Croatia as a visitor (possible, but until Croatia goes into Schengen, as far as I know, they make their own rules on that), you can split your Schengen time along the route both going and returning to suit your own preferences.

 

So when you enter and leave Schengen from/to UK, your passport will be date stamped or (once into 2022) recorded electronically on ETIAS , and checked again when you finally leave Schengen, and if the Croat Immigration Officers haven't correctly recorded your non-Schengen time, there will be liable to be a barney at the (presumably) French border as you could look as though you've spent 180 consecutive days in Schengen in lieu of 90!

 

Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

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Barryd999 - 2020-12-09 6:41 PM.......................Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

That's how it looks to me at present. But I don't think anything is yet clear down to that level of detail. I think once whatever deal (or no deal) is finalised and signed by all parties, and we get sight of whatever it says, no-one can be sure that whatever they are planning won't run into the fine-print sand! Bummer, ain't it?

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Barryd999 - 2020-12-09 6:41 PM.......................Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

That's how it looks to me at present. But I don't think anything is yet clear down to that level of detail. I think once whatever deal (or no deal) is finalised and signed by all parties, and we get sight of whatever it says, no-one can be sure that whatever they are planning won't run into the fine-print sand! Bummer, ain't it?

 

Yeah but Im not that fussed until all this covid stuff is behind us. Could well be another summer in the UK. I wont be going in the current t van anyway. I counted on there being a glut of vans for sale over winter but there is nothing and prices are still high. That long carefree Europe trip seems a long way off right now.

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Brian Kirby - 2020-12-10 12:54 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-09 6:41 PM.......................Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

That's how it looks to me at present. But I don't think anything is yet clear down to that level of detail. I think once whatever deal (or no deal) is finalised and signed by all parties, and we get sight of whatever it says, no-one can be sure that whatever they are planning won't run into the fine-print sand! Bummer, ain't it?

 

That long carefree Europe trip seems a long way off right now.

UK might be banned from EU countries next year. The plan is to teach Brexit hypocrites a lesson in 'patriotism' and stop them entering EU countries. B-)

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brits-could-banned-entering-eu-23143912#source=push

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Brian Kirby - 2020-12-10 12:54 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2020-12-09 6:41 PM.......................Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

That's how it looks to me at present. But I don't think anything is yet clear down to that level of detail. I think once whatever deal (or no deal) is finalised and signed by all parties, and we get sight of whatever it says, no-one can be sure that whatever they are planning won't run into the fine-print sand! Bummer, ain't it?

 

That long carefree Europe trip seems a long way off right now.

UK might be banned from EU countries next year. The plan is to teach Brexit hypocrites a lesson in 'patriotism' and stop them entering EU countries. B-)

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brits-could-banned-entering-eu-23143912#source=push

 

They probably realise the country is going to go mental over Christmas when its let off the leash leading to a third spike. Well that and we will be treat like any other third country.

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Barryd999 - 2020-12-09 6:41 PM.......................Yes so as said proof of entry is vital as well as proof of returning to Schengen I guess. I suppose in time we will find out what the score is. Even if you have to pull up at the border post and demand a stamp you would have to have one.

That's how it looks to me at present. But I don't think anything is yet clear down to that level of detail. I think once whatever deal (or no deal) is finalised and signed by all parties, and we get sight of whatever it says, no-one can be sure that whatever they are planning won't run into the fine-print sand! Bummer, ain't it?

 

That long carefree Europe trip seems a long way off right now.

UK might be banned from EU countries next year. The plan is to teach Brexit hypocrites a lesson in 'patriotism' and stop them entering EU countries. B-)

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brits-could-banned-entering-eu-23143912#source=push

 

"The plan is to teach Brexit hypocrites a lesson" ... Not seeing that in the report posted ??? ... I must have misread it ... The ugly sisters give the impression to liking the supposed ban ... Strange, I thought they didn't like bans ... They sure did bitch and squeal when POTUS Trump banned those on Obamas list

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