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Shows what its like trying to export to the EU

This British supermarket hasn't had a delivery for 5 weeks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-55985956

Their lorries are still in UK - needing a separate set of paperwork for every one of hundreds of food items

Problem with one, or any one of thousands of customs officials wants to be awkward, and you have another lorryload of fresh food rotting away and empty shelves.

All this was predicted and dismissed as 'Project Fear'

 

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The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

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John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

 

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

 

Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

 

I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority >:-) ................

 

 

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:02 AM

 

 

It's always puzzled me why we sell our lamb to the EU and then import it from NZ? *-) ...........

 

 

Agreed, but as we actually produce 109% of the sheep meat we need and UK consumption is going down rapidly it looks like a lot of farmers are not going to be happy that their major market is no longer accessible. All thanks to Doris's oven ready deal.

 

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/uk-lamb-self-sufficiency-and-impacts-of-brexit

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-09 10:00 AM

 

pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:02 AM

 

 

It's always puzzled me why we sell our lamb to the EU and then import it from NZ? *-) ...........

 

 

Agreed, but as we actually produce 109% of the sheep meat we need and UK consumption is going down rapidly it looks like a lot of farmers are not going to be happy that their major market is no longer accessible. All thanks to Doris's oven ready deal.

 

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/uk-lamb-self-sufficiency-and-impacts-of-brexit

 

So we should pay the EU millions of pounds a week so that we can export .9% of our lamb? 8-) ........

 

Seems to me its you LOSERS that have a rubbish grasp of economic reality :D .........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 10:59 AM

 

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:02 AM

 

 

It's always puzzled me why we sell our lamb to the EU and then import it from NZ? *-) ...........

 

 

Agreed, but as we actually produce 109% of the sheep meat we need and UK consumption is going down rapidly it looks like a lot of farmers are not going to be happy that their major market is no longer accessible. All thanks to Doris's oven ready deal.

 

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/uk-lamb-self-sufficiency-and-impacts-of-brexit

 

So we should pay the EU millions of pounds a week so that we can export .9% of our lamb? 8-) ........

 

Seems to me its you LOSERS that have a rubbish grasp of economic reality :D .........

 

 

Where did you get that figure from? Nearly half our lamb is exported to Europe, or it was.

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jumpstart - 2021-02-09 11:45 AM

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-shellfish-idUSKBN2A90ZN

 

Apparently there is no legal barrier to EU shellfish trade.

 

True

But every species from every boat needs separate paperwork

How long does all that take when you have a lorryload of fresh fish needing to catch the ferry and reach the market on time

Make a mistake on one..... or a customs official wants to be awkward - or just do a routine check...the whole load is delayed, misses the ferry and the market.

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 10:59 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-09 10:00 AM

 

pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:02 AM

 

 

It's always puzzled me why we sell our lamb to the EU and then import it from NZ? *-) ...........

 

 

Agreed, but as we actually produce 109% of the sheep meat we need and UK consumption is going down rapidly it looks like a lot of farmers are not going to be happy that their major market is no longer accessible. All thanks to Doris's oven ready deal.

 

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/uk-lamb-self-sufficiency-and-impacts-of-brexit

 

So we should pay the EU millions of pounds a week so that we can export .9% of our lamb? 8-) ........

 

Seems to me its you LOSERS that have a rubbish grasp of economic reality :D .........

 

Not all lamb is the same

Even when it is

When we have a surplus of fresh produce we sell it

When we have a shortage we import it

 

Oh and 109 - 100 = 9

not .9

 

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jumpstart - 2021-02-09 11:45 AM

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-shellfish-idUSKBN2A90ZN

 

Apparently there is no legal barrier to EU shellfish trade.

 

He's lying. The rules have not changed, we have. The UK became a third country so the rules to third countries apply.

 

The government should or would have known this but of course did nothing to inform the shell fishing industry. Perhaps if they had took it upon themselves to start forging new markets four years ago they might not be in such an awful situation now but of course they were still riding the big Brexit lie that it was all going to be so much better for them outside of the EU.

 

Some of us tried to warn them but it was all "Project fear".

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:00 AM

 

John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

 

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

 

Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

 

I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority >:-) ................

Can you explain how a 68% loss of exports to the EU (link in the op) is somehow a benefit for UK?

 

You claimed the EU "need us more than we need them" so explain how such a massive loss in exports is 'beneficial'. You've gone out of your way to avoid giving an answer to this question over the past few days.. If you can't think of how it's 'beneficial' then just say so.

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Bulletguy - 2021-02-09 2:52 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:00 AM

 

John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

 

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

 

Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

 

I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority >:-) ................

Can you explain how a 68% loss of exports to the EU (link in the op) is somehow a benefit for UK?

 

You claimed the EU "need us more than we need them" so explain how such a massive loss in exports is 'beneficial'. You've gone out of your way to avoid giving an answer to this question over the past few days.. If you can't think of how it's 'beneficial' then just say so.

 

He is wrong about that 5% also. The truth is they dont really know and it doesnt include services.

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jumpstart - 2021-02-09 4:51 PM

 

Eat more interesting fish......its the same fish just renamed.

 

BBC News - Brexit: 'Under-loved' fish renamed for British tastes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55996938

 

Maybe they should have thought about such a marketing strategy five years ago but instead they chose to believe it was all "Project Fear". Ooops.

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Barryd999 - 2021-02-09 4:12 PM

 

 

He is wrong about that 5% also. .

 

It would still be meaningless even if it was right

Because it counts each business the same irrespective of size

A 'UK business' could be a car factory employing thousands, or a window cleaner employing one

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John52 - 2021-02-09 5:53 PM

 

Barryd999 - 2021-02-09 4:12 PM

 

 

He is wrong about that 5% also. .

 

It would still be meaningless even if it was right

Because it counts each business the same irrespective of size

A 'UK business' could be a car factory employing thousands, or a window cleaner employing one

 

Of course and this one single business is now talking about moving to the EU and losing 1000 jobs here in the UK and of course creating 1000 jobs in mainland Europe. Thats just one company.

 

Going great innit!

 

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/1000-jd-sports-jobs-could-19804520

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John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

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pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:00 AM

John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

Four days later and i'm STILL waiting for him to explain how losing 65% of exports to the EU is 'beneficial' to the UK. :-|

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John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

 

Talking of imports, wasn't Germany supposed to come riding to our rescue because we were so important? Not only did that not happen, it seems we are not so important after all and all we will get now is diminishing trade and a 50% price hike in freight rate charges.

 

https://trans.info/en/german-industry-association-predicting-germany-uk-freight-rate-rise-of-up-to-50-221876

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John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

 

You mean those high volume exporters selling things like cars who are just assembling parts here from the EU? ;-) ..........

 

I wonder just how much the UK economy actually earns from those international businesses :-| ........

 

Perhaps those folk who complain about our balance of trade........ Should by British instead of Kraut Krap for a chang >:-) ...........

 

BTW ..........Pelmetanomics is working fine for me B-) ..........

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Barryd999 - 2021-02-09 10:18 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2021-02-09 6:46 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:00 AM

John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

 

Talking of imports, wasn't Germany supposed to come riding to our rescue because we were so important? Not only did that not happen, it seems we are not so important after all and all we will get now is diminishing trade and a 50% price hike in freight rate charges.

 

https://trans.info/en/german-industry-association-predicting-germany-uk-freight-rate-rise-of-up-to-50-221876

 

Oh dear .........More "could" "might" "maybe" "perhaps" :D ........

 

Perhaps you ought to start buying British cheese and beer.......Instead of EU Crap >:-) ........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2021-02-10 9:25 AM

 

Barryd999 - 2021-02-09 10:18 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2021-02-09 6:46 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-02-09 9:00 AM

John52 - 2021-02-09 8:18 AM

The EU must be thoroughly fed up with negotiating,

and won't want to change a deal that benefits them.

So what can be done without rejoining the EU?

For which we have to have a change of Government first.

And they have got another 4 years

How many exporters can survive till then :-S

1 Seeing as just 5% of UK businesses export to the EU ;-) .........

2 I expect the benefits to the other 95% of not being in the EU will far exceed any losses to the Gobby LOSER minority

1 Actually, just under 10% according to the ONS. But, that just under 10% are all high volume exporters selling things like cars, aircraft, power generation etc, financial and businesses services etc.

2 The other 95% are not all exporters. Many are your neighbourhood butcher, baker and fishmonger. We have a more or less permanent negative balance of trade in goods, propped up by a positive balance in services. We import more of our food than we export, so we can ill-afford to lose any exports. If we do, the balance of trade will go into permanent deficit, the £ will lose value, and our food prices (among others) will rise. Good news all around! Pelmetanomics eh?! The way to prosperity! :-D

 

Talking of imports, wasn't Germany supposed to come riding to our rescue because we were so important? Not only did that not happen, it seems we are not so important after all and all we will get now is diminishing trade and a 50% price hike in freight rate charges.

 

https://trans.info/en/german-industry-association-predicting-germany-uk-freight-rate-rise-of-up-to-50-221876

 

Oh dear .........More "could" "might" "maybe" "perhaps" :D ........

 

Perhaps you ought to start buying British cheese and beer.......Instead of EU Crap >:-) ........

 

 

Except its not more "could" "might" "maybe" "perhaps" is it? The stats show we are not that big a deal to Germany anymore. You going to dismiss it as project fear again? (lol)

 

This bloke obviously thought it was all Project fear. Hear that faint squealing noise? Its the worlds tiniest violin playing. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=889888878503072

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