jumpstart Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-13 4:21 PM For those that to learn a little more rather than engage in nationalism about a vaccine developed by a multi national team by a Swedish British company that manufacture throughout Europe here's some more information on jabbing strategies https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n86 Nationalism like this... Daily Mail: European snub Oxford vaccine after EU campaign cast doubts. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9256597/European-snub-Oxford-vaccine-EU-campaign-cast-doubts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-13 4:28 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-13 4:21 PM For those that to learn a little more rather than engage in nationalism about a vaccine developed by a multi national team by a Swedish British company that manufacture throughout Europe here's some more information on jabbing strategies https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n86 Nationalism like this... Daily Mail: European snub Oxford vaccine after EU campaign cast doubts. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9256597/European-snub-Oxford-vaccine-EU-campaign-cast-doubts.html You have to feel sorry for our European neighbours still under the yoke of the EU :-| ....... Who are prepared to sacrifice the lives of its citizens to score petty points 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-13 1:32 PM............................There was a interesting discussion on Newsnight the other night, two scientists in a heated discussion. One point was that the governments position had been on the basis of modelling, the other view shared by Pfizer and other epidemiologists is that in the extended period between jabs a new variant could emerge which the vaccine is ineffective against. The scientists argument is that the precautionary principle should apply. I'm comfortable with that. The alternative is to give people both doses within three weeks, inevitably leaving a greater pool of completely unvaccinated people in circulation. The greater the number of unvaccinated people in circulation the higher the potential for infection, and the higher the rate of infection the higher the potential for new variants to emerge. I don't remember the debate, so I don't know whether the downsides of the one approach were compared statistically with the other (in both cases requiring modelling), but in the absence of any such forecasts my reaction is that both approaches will, inevitably, carry a risk of new variants emerging (as, due to the nature of viruses, do all feasible measures), but that the disadvantages of the one when compared to the other would, at best, be marginal. I think we're back to the analogy of whether it is better to have half the present number of cars with both headlights working, or all cars with only one headlight working! That analogy was made by one scientist, and he seemed quite proud of it - but I assume he was excluding night time driving for the remaining half with no headlights working! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Good news... Daily Mail: Pfizer vaccine DOES work against super-covid variants, study suggests. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9251243/Pfizer-vaccine-DOES-work-against-super-covid-variants-study-suggests.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-13 4:26 PM Bulletguy - 2021-02-13 3:43 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-13 7:56 AM Bulletguy - 2021-02-12 7:33 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-12 7:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-12 7:16 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-12 7:04 PM I get the feeling that once the Pandemic is over some folk on here will have egg all over their face >:-) ......... Especially when Boris's decision to spread the time between jabs is proved to be a wise move B-) ............ Plus we're are going to get a 2nd Jab......unlike some of those in Froggy Land 8-) ........ The manufacturers of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine are now stating categorically that the efficacy of their products is reduced to 50% with just one injection. This has now been demonstrated in the Israeli rollout. The UK's stance is based on modelling not trials. So make sure that you get the AstraZeneca one! Best tell your EU Froggy mates ;-) ......... As THEY are the ones planning on only giving 1 Pfizer jab to folk >:-) .......... Only for people who have already had Covid, everyone else will receive the standard two dose. https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210212-france-recommends-single-vaccine-shot-for-people-who-have-had-covid-19 As a lot of people are asymptomatic and have not had a test they won’t know they have had it. Those people will still be given the two dose vaccine. Not if they don't know eho has had it. You're labouring a moot point jump and I don't know why. The article clearly states it refers to those who have had Covid and recovered......everyone else will receive the standard two dose of vaccine, including the 'don't knows'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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