Guest pelmetman Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 :D ............. "EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier admits UK's vaccine success was due to Britain not having to deal with Brussels' bureaucracy" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9537929/Michel-Barnier-admits-EU-bureaucracy-slowed-Covid-vaccine-roll-out.html Not that I expect our resident LOSERS will thank us Brexiteers for maybe saving their misrable lives (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I will be reserving judgement on how well the pandemic was handled by various countries until I've seen the comparable death rates before I come to any conclusions. But I do appreciate the organisational achievements of the NHS - where would we be without it ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) It's my guess that the top brass in Hungary phoned Boris Johnson for advice on how to proceed. ( .... and Johnson said " Sorry , I've no idea how Kate Bingham did it - I suggest you phone her direct " ) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-03 6:03 PM I will be reserving judgement on how well the pandemic was handled by various countries until I've seen the comparable death rates before I come to any conclusions. But I do appreciate the organisational achievements of the NHS - where would we be without it ? :-( Reserving judgement?????? 8-) ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Incorrect...........Hungary decided to source its own vaccines after it became obvious what a Balls Up the EU was making of sourcing supplies ;-) ......... I note they've just got some from China 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-04 8:39 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Incorrect...........Hungary decided to source its own vaccines after it became obvious what a Balls Up the EU was making of sourcing supplies ;-) ......... I note they've just got some from China 8-) ......... The point is numbnuts that they "did" source their own vaccines just like we did but they are part of the EU so how has Brexit made any difference to how we sourced our vaccines? As you have been told a thousand times. Any country could have done what we did, EU members or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-04 8:36 AM malc d - 2021-05-03 6:03 PM I will be reserving judgement on how well the pandemic was handled by various countries until I've seen the comparable death rates before I come to any conclusions. But I do appreciate the organisational achievements of the NHS - where would we be without it ? :-( Reserving judgement?????? 8-) ........... Of course. No one will know the true facts / results until the pandemic has been ' controlled ' world wide. That could be next year. No point in anyone following day to day ' scores ' and thinking it's all over. ( Although some of you LOSERS will no doubt keep doing it ). Should know some facts by this time next year. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 10:41 AM pelmetman - 2021-05-04 8:39 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Incorrect...........Hungary decided to source its own vaccines after it became obvious what a Balls Up the EU was making of sourcing supplies ;-) ......... I note they've just got some from China 8-) ......... The point is numbnuts that they "did" source their own vaccines just like we did but they are part of the EU so how has Brexit made any difference to how we sourced our vaccines? As you have been told a thousand times. Any country could have done what we did, EU members or not. Wot E said! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-04 3:27 PM Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 10:41 AM pelmetman - 2021-05-04 8:39 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Incorrect...........Hungary decided to source its own vaccines after it became obvious what a Balls Up the EU was making of sourcing supplies ;-) ......... I note they've just got some from China 8-) ......... The point is numbnuts that they "did" source their own vaccines just like we did but they are part of the EU so how has Brexit made any difference to how we sourced our vaccines? As you have been told a thousand times. Any country could have done what we did, EU members or not. Wot E said! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Except he's not answered Barry's question (bib). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-05-04 4:10 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-04 3:27 PM Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 10:41 AM pelmetman - 2021-05-04 8:39 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-03 6:35 PM A very interesting article Dave. Did you note the chart of vaccination rates, and especially that Hungary is way ahead of both the EU average and the rates for the other 13 states listed. Did you wonder why? It seems Hungary, like the UK, decided to handle its own vaccine approvals and also sourced from outside the EU. But how could that be, as they are part of the EU? Perhaps they've secretly become part of the UK and benefited from Brexit? If not, and as you keep claiming Brexit was the only reason the UK could do that, some other explanation seems to be required. I wonder what? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Incorrect...........Hungary decided to source its own vaccines after it became obvious what a Balls Up the EU was making of sourcing supplies ;-) ......... I note they've just got some from China 8-) ......... The point is numbnuts that they "did" source their own vaccines just like we did but they are part of the EU so how has Brexit made any difference to how we sourced our vaccines? As you have been told a thousand times. Any country could have done what we did, EU members or not. Wot E said! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Except he's not answered Barry's question (bib). LOL. Of course he hasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-05-04 7:18 PM Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Yes it is. Thats the point. Any country could have done the same, in or out of the EU. In fact it was EU law that allowed us to do just that as we were technically in the EU when we signed up with AZ and Pfizer. Naff all to do with Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 9:28 PM Birdbrain - 2021-05-04 7:18 PM Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Yes it is. Thats the point. Any country could have done the same, in or out of the EU. In fact it was EU law that allowed us to do just that as we were technically in the EU when we signed up with AZ and Pfizer. Naff all to do with Brexit. Are you calling Barnier a Liar? >:-) ........... "EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier admits UK's vaccine success was due to Britain not having to deal with Brussels' bureaucracy" (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-04 10:07 PM Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 9:28 PM Birdbrain - 2021-05-04 7:18 PM Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Yes it is. Thats the point. Any country could have done the same, in or out of the EU. In fact it was EU law that allowed us to do just that as we were technically in the EU when we signed up with AZ and Pfizer. Naff all to do with Brexit. Are you calling Barnier a Liar? >:-) ........... "EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier admits UK's vaccine success was due to Britain not having to deal with Brussels' bureaucracy" (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... It's YOU that is LYING. Barnier never said the quote you've attributed to him at all.......you are quoting what that rag Wail printed. As with Hancock who was also LYING this matter has been shown to you time and time again debunking your nonsense but still you persist in trotting out the same old LIES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 9:28 PM Birdbrain - 2021-05-04 7:18 PM Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Yes it is. Thats the point. Any country could have done the same, in or out of the EU. In fact it was EU law that allowed us to do just that as we were technically in the EU when we signed up with AZ and Pfizer. Naff all to do with Brexit. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM Barryd999 - 2021-05-04 9:28 PM Birdbrain - 2021-05-04 7:18 PM Hungary broke ranks with the EU ... Quite simple Yes it is. Thats the point. Any country could have done the same, in or out of the EU. In fact it was EU law that allowed us to do just that as we were technically in the EU when we signed up with AZ and Pfizer. Naff all to do with Brexit. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Yes you are absolutely right. Right wing governments are more efficient at killing their populations off, indeed Hungary now tops the league. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM.................................. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Which neglects the point. The Point was the various claims that the UK was only able to approve the AZ vaccine because it was no longer in the EU. This is incorrect. That it is incorrect is stated, as Paul quotes above, by Dr Raine as head of the MHRA, but is conclusively established by the fact of Hungary, (as evidenced unwittingly by Dave in his DM link), having used - without sanction - the same provisions of EU law as we used, to authorise for use within it's own jurisdiction vaccines that the EMA had not authorised for use across the EU. As has been said countless times, the UK did as Hungary did, and could, as Hungary did, have done so while still a full member of the EU. If you leave the party politics, and the scrabbling for political advantage, aside, it is all clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 8:12 AM Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM.................................. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Which neglects the point. The Point was the various claims that the UK was only able to approve the AZ vaccine because it was no longer in the EU. This is incorrect. That it is incorrect is stated, as Paul quotes above, by Dr Raine as head of the MHRA, but is conclusively established by the fact of Hungary, (as evidenced unwittingly by Dave in his DM link), having used - without sanction - the same provisions of EU law as we used, to authorise for use within it's own jurisdiction vaccines that the EMA had not authorised for use across the EU. As has been said countless times, the UK did as Hungary did, and could, as Hungary did, have done so while still a full member of the EU. If you leave the party politics, and the scrabbling for political advantage, aside, it is all clear. So you're calling Barnier a Liar to >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:27 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 8:12 AM Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM.................................. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Which neglects the point. The Point was the various claims that the UK was only able to approve the AZ vaccine because it was no longer in the EU. This is incorrect. That it is incorrect is stated, as Paul quotes above, by Dr Raine as head of the MHRA, but is conclusively established by the fact of Hungary, (as evidenced unwittingly by Dave in his DM link), having used - without sanction - the same provisions of EU law as we used, to authorise for use within it's own jurisdiction vaccines that the EMA had not authorised for use across the EU. As has been said countless times, the UK did as Hungary did, and could, as Hungary did, have done so while still a full member of the EU. If you leave the party politics, and the scrabbling for political advantage, aside, it is all clear. So you're calling Barnier a Liar to >:-) ........... Certainly not https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/tory-quarrels-betrayals-uk-post-brexit-future-barnier-eu?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:27 AM..........................So you're calling Barnier a Liar to >:-) ........... No, because your quote is out of context. Barnier was contrasting the outcomes for those who had decided to stay within the EU vaccine supply arrangements with those who did not, and noting that those who stayed within were caught in its bureaucratic authorisation procedures, whereas those who did not (AFAIK, UK and Hungary) had authorised vaccines faster. His point was that the EU needs better emergency procedures. On the evidence, he is right. But I thought we all knew that? I assume the EU will now focus on an accelerated supply procedure for use when (for instance) pandemics are declared. The point, which you still can't/won't grasp, is that membership of the EU allows individual members to use their own authorisation procedures, as UK and Hungary did, for medicines they only intend using within their own jurisdictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:27 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 8:12 AM Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM.................................. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Which neglects the point. The Point was the various claims that the UK was only able to approve the AZ vaccine because it was no longer in the EU. This is incorrect. That it is incorrect is stated, as Paul quotes above, by Dr Raine as head of the MHRA, but is conclusively established by the fact of Hungary, (as evidenced unwittingly by Dave in his DM link), having used - without sanction - the same provisions of EU law as we used, to authorise for use within it's own jurisdiction vaccines that the EMA had not authorised for use across the EU. As has been said countless times, the UK did as Hungary did, and could, as Hungary did, have done so while still a full member of the EU. If you leave the party politics, and the scrabbling for political advantage, aside, it is all clear. So you're calling Barnier a Liar to >:-) ........... No and this was clearly answered in my post last night at 10.47pm. The quote you attributed to Barnier was NOT what he said at all....it was a click bait sub-header from the Daily Fail. Typically like all Fail "readers" you never read beyond a screechy header or click bait sub headers so never understand what you're posting. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 8:12 AM Birdbrain - 2021-05-05 5:43 AM.................................. So two right wing governments who broke ranks with the EU saved lives, I think thats what your saying??? ... You have in the past taken great pleasure in telling us how supposedly bad right wing governments have performed Which neglects the point. The Point was the various claims that the UK was only able to approve the AZ vaccine because it was no longer in the EU. This is incorrect. That it is incorrect is stated, as Paul quotes above, by Dr Raine as head of the MHRA, but is conclusively established by the fact of Hungary, (as evidenced unwittingly by Dave in his DM link), having used - without sanction - the same provisions of EU law as we used, to authorise for use within it's own jurisdiction vaccines that the EMA had not authorised for use across the EU. As has been said countless times, the UK did as Hungary did, and could, as Hungary did, have done so while still a full member of the EU. If you leave the party politics, and the scrabbling for political advantage, aside, it is all clear. So two right wing governments broke ranks with the EU and saved lives ... Just like I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 You know how much emphasis Johnson has been putting on "his" (only) success - the vaccine roll-out...? Look at where the trends are heading, even though only about 1/4 of the UK population is 'fully' vaccinated. Explains why all my shifts are cancelled this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 "Explains why all my shifts are cancelled this month" ... With more time you'll be posting more fun packed, fact filled posts for the last few remaining Chatterbox types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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