Guest pelmetman Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 and still dropping down the world COVID death rate table........ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like another EU country .....Poland will overtake us next :-| .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Peru is 15th..........with just 62,674 deaths We are 5th on your links chart with 127,543 deaths though the official government website states there were 151,243 deaths as of yesterday at 4pm. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I don't really see where the ' 28 day ' idea comes from. If you are diagnosed with Covid and die up to 28 days later, you are included in the Covid death rate figures. If you die on day 29 or after, - you're not. You must have died of something else - even though the doctor says it was Covid. It seems too obvious that the figures are just being fiddled - so I assume there is another reason for it - maybe the governments software can only cope with 28 ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-05 4:59 PM I don't really see where the ' 28 day ' idea comes from. If you are diagnosed with Covid and die 28 days later, you are included in the death rate figures. If you die on day 29 - you're not. It seems too obvious that the figures are just being fiddled - so I assume there is another reason for it - maybe the governments software can only cope with 28 ? ;-) Yes it should really be 30 or 31 given that there's only one month of the year with 28 days! But thats always been the set criteria in the medical profession, ie all 'meds' are dispensed as a 28 day supply which they count as one month. It's actually a pretty frightening statistic though. Out of the death total of 151,533 which is todays figure, 127,570 died within 28 days of testing positive. My brother in laws youngest sibling was among that figure having tested positive a week before being admitted into hospital where he died five days later. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 What they also dont include is those that die of Long Covid. Apparently a fair amount end up back in hospital and it could be months later and horrifically one third that do die. Its fair to say we wont be the only country fudging the figures and long term there will be countries that suffer more or where the stats are just not recorded but there is no denying despite the NHS and the vaccine producers coming to our rescue our government made one cock up after another for an entire year where often we (an island nation I might add) were top of the death rate leader board on more than one occasion. So much so that it allowed a new variant to emerge which even the government admitted was out of control which went on to infect Europe who sadly were behind us in the NHS vaccine roll out. If anyone is applauding our performance throughout this pandemic they are not of sound mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-05-05 5:17 PM malc d - 2021-05-05 4:59 PM I don't really see where the ' 28 day ' idea comes from. If you are diagnosed with Covid and die 28 days later, you are included in the death rate figures. If you die on day 29 - you're not. It seems too obvious that the figures are just being fiddled - so I assume there is another reason for it - maybe the governments software can only cope with 28 ? ;-) Yes it should really be 30 or 31 given that there's only one month of the year with 28 days! I still don't get the use of ' the number of days ' 28 - 30 - 31 - 65 - 98 ? If the doctor says a person died of Covid, that tells me that the person died of Covid. He / she should be included in the number of people who died of Covid. Why does the government - or the medical profession - find it so difficult to keep records of death certificates ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-05 5:50 PM Bulletguy - 2021-05-05 5:17 PM malc d - 2021-05-05 4:59 PM I don't really see where the ' 28 day ' idea comes from. If you are diagnosed with Covid and die 28 days later, you are included in the death rate figures. If you die on day 29 - you're not. It seems too obvious that the figures are just being fiddled - so I assume there is another reason for it - maybe the governments software can only cope with 28 ? ;-) Yes it should really be 30 or 31 given that there's only one month of the year with 28 days! I still don't get the use of ' the number of days ' 28 - 30 - 31 - 65 - 98 ? :-( It's just the way the medical profession has always rolled. Medication is always packed as a 28 day supply. The figure on the right is the number of deaths with Covid on the death certificate but the figure on the left is the amount which died within 28 days, or less as in my relatives case, of testing positive. So the figure which matters is the one on the right........151,533 as at 4pm today. It's updated daily at 4pm Mon - Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:37 AM and still dropping down the world COVID death rate table........ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like another EU country .....Poland will overtake us next :-| .......... Dave, you do realise you are celebrating the UK having the 15th highest death rate in the world, don't you? There are just 17 countries out of the 221 listed by Worldometers with no recorded deaths. They are the clear "winners". The objective is to have the lowest death rate, not the highest, is it not? That is the opposite of the way you have interpreted the table. So, get that straight, and the answer is that of those 204 countries in which Covid deaths have been recorded, the UK comes in at 191, with 1,871 deaths per 1M population (between Poland, with 1,811 deaths per 1M population, and Peru, with 1,879 deaths per 1M population). So, the UK, the country with the fifth largest economy in the world (as you are fond of boasting), ranks 191 out of 204 for its Covid death rate. That is not according to me, it is according to your own, freely chosen, source, Worldometers. You not only seem to consider that acceptable, you actually gloatingly parade it (admittedly hopelessly misunderstood) as good! No wonder you think Johnson is a fit person to be UK PM! If the UK had the 15th lowest death rate per 1M population you might have something to crow about - but 15th highest! That is not to celebrate, it is a national humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Remember when the squad, mainly Barry rejoiced in our UK covid death rates to gain brownie points??? ... Thankfully hes not so vocal now up and down internet world with regards to scores on the doors for some reason ... I found it pretty tasteless myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-05-05 6:24 PM So the figure which matters is the one on the right........151,533 as at 4pm today. That is precisely my point. The number that MATTERS is the number of people who have died of Covid - which is reported as 151,333. So why on earth does ANYONE keep publishing the irrelevant 28 day figures ??? They might as well give us the 15 day figures - and then things would look even better ! >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-05 8:23 PM Bulletguy - 2021-05-05 6:24 PM So the figure which matters is the one on the right........151,533 as at 4pm today. That is precisely my point. The number that MATTERS is the number of people who have died of Covid - which is reported as 151,333. So why on earth does ANYONE keep publishing the irrelevant 28 day figures ??? They might as well give us the 15 day figures - and then things would look even better ! >:-( Probably to show the amount which died within 28 days (or less) of testing positive. No other reason except it shows how high the number out of the sum total is which is pretty disturbing. That's one heck of a lot of people who after being told "you're Covid positive" to dying within such a short period. Best not look at the Worldometer website as that's a right mish-mash of stats for total deaths, new cases, new deaths, total recovered, total deaths, total case per 1m population, deaths per 1m population etc etc etc!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 6:26 PM pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:37 AM and still dropping down the world COVID death rate table........ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like another EU country .....Poland will overtake us next :-| .......... Dave, you do realise you are celebrating the UK having the 15th highest death rate in the world, don't you? There are just 17 countries out of the 221 listed by Worldometers with no recorded deaths. They are the clear "winners". The objective is to have the lowest death rate, not the highest, is it not? That is the opposite of the way you have interpreted the table. So, get that straight, and the answer is that of those 204 countries in which Covid deaths have been recorded, the UK comes in at 191, with 1,871 deaths per 1M population (between Poland, with 1,811 deaths per 1M population, and Peru, with 1,879 deaths per 1M population). So, the UK, the country with the fifth largest economy in the world (as you are fond of boasting), ranks 191 out of 204 for its Covid death rate. That is not according to me, it is according to your own, freely chosen, source, Worldometers. You not only seem to consider that acceptable, you actually gloatingly parade it (admittedly hopelessly misunderstood) as good! No wonder you think Johnson is a fit person to be UK PM! If the UK had the 15th lowest death rate per 1M population you might have something to crow about - but 15th highest! That is not to celebrate, it is a national humiliation. Currently there are 14 countries who's national humilliation is greater than ours :-| ......... 12 of whom are members of the EU 8-).......... Not exactly something for EU crow about is it ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-06 8:51 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-05 6:26 PM pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:37 AM and still dropping down the world COVID death rate table........ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like another EU country .....Poland will overtake us next :-| .......... Dave, you do realise you are celebrating the UK having the 15th highest death rate in the world, don't you? There are just 17 countries out of the 221 listed by Worldometers with no recorded deaths. They are the clear "winners". The objective is to have the lowest death rate, not the highest, is it not? That is the opposite of the way you have interpreted the table. So, get that straight, and the answer is that of those 204 countries in which Covid deaths have been recorded, the UK comes in at 191, with 1,871 deaths per 1M population (between Poland, with 1,811 deaths per 1M population, and Peru, with 1,879 deaths per 1M population). So, the UK, the country with the fifth largest economy in the world (as you are fond of boasting), ranks 191 out of 204 for its Covid death rate. That is not according to me, it is according to your own, freely chosen, source, Worldometers. You not only seem to consider that acceptable, you actually gloatingly parade it (admittedly hopelessly misunderstood) as good! No wonder you think Johnson is a fit person to be UK PM! If the UK had the 15th lowest death rate per 1M population you might have something to crow about - but 15th highest! That is not to celebrate, it is a national humiliation. Currently there are 14 countries who's national humilliation is greater than ours :-| ......... 12 of whom are members of the EU 8-).......... Not exactly something for EU crow about is it ;-) .......... Then post up FACTUAL EVIDENCE instead of spouting your usual jingoistic nonsense. And no, simply posting the worldometer website link won't cut it........lets see the statistics you're claiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-05-06 5:50 AM medical shortages which dont seem to have materialised, You mean you haven't read about them in the Daily Mail *-) But less that 10% of those who died from Covid got intensive care like BoJo. Take a look at the waiting lists for routine surgery, instead of the Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-06 8:51 AM Currently there are 14 countries who's national humilliation is greater than ours :-| ......... 12 of whom are members of the EU 8-).......... Not exactly something for EU crow about is it ;-) .......... Yes Dave, I think we all know that! What I'm questioning is why you're so cock-a-hoop about the UK being 191 out of 204. I would expect the UK to be far better placed that that. Don't you? As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. (Snigger - who was saying the Brexiters knew what they were voting for?) Which media have you ben reading/watching/listening to? I haven't read/seen/heard any claims by EU member states (or for that matter the EU) to be "world beating" etc in their response to the pandemic. Can you quote please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-07 1:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) He'd be even more upset if he knew they have an Embassy in London. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-07 1:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) Didn't you know Malc? 8-) ............ The EU is a UNION of countries ;-) ........ Just like the UNION of the UK :D ....... Which is why they demanded a embassy *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM pelmetman - 2021-05-06 8:51 AM Currently there are 14 countries who's national humilliation is greater than ours :-| ......... 12 of whom are members of the EU 8-).......... Not exactly something for EU crow about is it ;-) .......... Yes Dave, I think we all know that! What I'm questioning is why you're so cock-a-hoop about the UK being 191 out of 204. I would expect the UK to be far better placed that that. Don't you? As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. (Snigger - who was saying the Brexiters knew what they were voting for?) Which media have you ben reading/watching/listening to? I haven't read/seen/heard any claims by EU member states (or for that matter the EU) to be "world beating" etc in their response to the pandemic. Can you quote please? Its not just me warning you LOSERS about counting the scores on the doors too early Blah Blah *-) ......... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/who-warning-shocking-number-covid-deaths-164025202.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-07 6:48 PM malc d - 2021-05-07 1:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) Which is why they demanded a embassy *-) ........ Idiot......they've not "demanded an Embassy" at all as there has been one in London since 2009. *-) Stop spreading FAKE NEWS and LIES. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-07 6:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM pelmetman - 2021-05-06 8:51 AM Currently there are 14 countries who's national humilliation is greater than ours :-| ......... 12 of whom are members of the EU 8-).......... Not exactly something for EU crow about is it ;-) .......... Yes Dave, I think we all know that! What I'm questioning is why you're so cock-a-hoop about the UK being 191 out of 204. I would expect the UK to be far better placed that that. Don't you? As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. (Snigger - who was saying the Brexiters knew what they were voting for?) Which media have you ben reading/watching/listening to? I haven't read/seen/heard any claims by EU member states (or for that matter the EU) to be "world beating" etc in their response to the pandemic. Can you quote please? Its not just me warning you LOSERS about counting the scores on the doors too early Blah Blah *-) ......... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/who-warning-shocking-number-covid-deaths-164025202.html Really, then why don't you take your own advice? Here's your OP: pelmetman - 2021-05-05 8:37 AM and still dropping down the world COVID death rate table........ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like another EU country .....Poland will overtake us next :-| .......... And you weren't counting the "scores on the doors"?? Your whole string is about "scores on doors". (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) What you still don't seem to have grasped (after being told several times) is that you have been mis-reading the figures. On the Worldometers charts the UK has the 15th highest death rate, not the 5th lowest. I'll try putting it another way. For the UK's death rate to be the 15th lowest in the world, the UK would have to move 179 places lower on the chart. That may eventually be what happens, though my impression is that hell is more likely to freeze over first! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-05-07 6:48 PM malc d - 2021-05-07 1:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) The EU is a UNION of countries ;-) ........ . Absolutely right ! Well done Dave ! Seems like you got it at last. ( You can tell it's not a country by the fact that its' members use about half a dozen different currencies ). :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 malc d - 2021-05-08 3:01 PM pelmetman - 2021-05-07 6:48 PM malc d - 2021-05-07 1:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-05-07 12:50 PM As to the the EU "crowing" about their position. First the EU doesn't do healthcare, that is the job of the individual states. I'd give up if I were you Brian. Dave just cannot grasp that the EU is not a country. ;-) The EU is a UNION of countries ;-) ........ . Absolutely right ! Well done Dave ! Seems like you got it at last. ( You can tell it's not a country by the fact that its' members use about half a dozen different currencies ). :-D Steady on Malc........it's a stretch getting him to understand it's not a country let alone the different currencies used by member countries! :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 20......... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Out of the 19 countries who have a worse death rate than us :-| ........... 14 are in the wondeful EU 8-) .......... They still have to face the 3rd wave with only fraction of their populations fully vacinated..........saving those few shekels are going to cost a lot of EU lives *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-07-08 7:07 AM 20......... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Out of the 19 countries who have a worse death rate than us :-| ........... 14 are in the wondeful EU 8-) .......... They still have to face the 3rd wave with only fraction of their populations fully vacinated..........saving those few shekels are going to cost a lot of EU lives *-) ........ Probably because most of our old and vulnerable are already dead! 152000+ with the worlds worst death rate on several occasions and you are celebrating being 20th and gloating that countries in the EU are now suffering. Jeesaz! you are sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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