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Even the Daily Fail is reporting it! Another Brexit bonus.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9727775/Britain-facing-summer-food-shortage-loss-100-000-HGV-drivers-Covid-Brexit.html

 

Pelmet keeps referring to remainers as the "LOSERS" so I wonder if his stuff is delivered by invisible unicorns perhaps.

 

Mr Birdbrain will be along in a minute to tell us that his delivery of magic Brexit beans arrived ok from Bob the local delivery man in his battered Transit so there cant possibly be a problem. (lol)

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Barryd999 - 2021-06-27 10:15 AM

 

Even the Daily Fail is reporting it! Another Brexit bonus.

Taking 100,000 truck drivers out was a dumb idea......the result of another dumb idea made five years ago.

 

Haulage industry bosses warned that without tens of thousands of drivers and agricultural workers even more food shortages this summer will be unavoidable.

 

Government need to wake up and realise EU truckers need unfettered access as without they'll give this daft third country thats chosen to isolate itself, a miss. They can earn more driving in sensible countries.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-could-face-food-shortages-due-lorry-driver-crisis-2021-06-25/

 

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-27 7:55 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 6:20 PM

 

Looks like the usuals are back on to food shortages again ... They'll be on about medical shortages next and chlorinated chicken and ...

 

And you've still got this to look forward to

 

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk-could-run-out-of-construction-materials-as-brexit-invalidates-certificates/5111794.article

 

Link says "could", like you "could" stop spreading hate and stop lying but its unlikely ... Dealing with reality and the here and now all the shortages on roofing materials I am currently dealing with are down to covid and a building boom ... Hate on

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-27 7:55 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 6:20 PM

 

Looks like the usuals are back on to food shortages again ... They'll be on about medical shortages next and chlorinated chicken and ...

 

And you've still got this to look forward to

 

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk-could-run-out-of-construction-materials-as-brexit-invalidates-certificates/5111794.article

Already happening. A roofer i've had booked, I phoned him up the other week as I thought he'd forgotten about me, turns out he's struggling to get materials.

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Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 8:24 PM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-27 7:55 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 6:20 PM

 

Looks like the usuals are back on to food shortages again ... They'll be on about medical shortages next and chlorinated chicken and ...

 

And you've still got this to look forward to

 

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk-could-run-out-of-construction-materials-as-brexit-invalidates-certificates/5111794.article

 

Link says "could", like you "could" stop spreading hate and stop lying but its unlikely ... Dealing with reality and the here and now all the shortages on roofing materials I am currently dealing with are down to covid and a building boom ... Hate on

 

Exactly ;-) .............

 

Brexit Blighty is booming B-) ...........

 

 

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Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 12:44 PM

 

Reading the posts on that fellas Youtube thingy it seems plenty believe hes very anti-Brexit ... Apparently you can fund his anti-Brexit views if you wish to fund his begging

 

Same old ad hominem. Ignore the issue and attack the person. I could write your posts for you because I know what you are going to say every time.

 

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"Brexit uncertainty

 

Roughly 60% of imported materials used in UK construction projects comes from the EU, according to the CLC, and increased congestion has been reported at UK ports since the turn of the year, leading to delays.

 

The UK-EU trade deal eased Brexit construction fears once it was confirmed that no additional tariffs on imports or quotas would be added, but the impact of Brexit has already led to disruption, lengthening supply lines for a number of core supplies from Europe.

 

The Timber Trade Federation (TTF) said in May that Brexit-related complications have squeezed UK timber stocks, as 80% of the softwood used in building comes from Europe, and 90% of the softwood used for new build homes comes from the continent.

 

Lack of lorry drivers

 

A shortage of lorry drivers has been reported by the CLC with building sites struggling to receive deliveries. “The availability of hauliers is a particular issue over the past months and it is clear that this is now a critical nationwide problem causing delays and impacting project programmes," they said."

 

So yet again Birdbrain disagrees with industry experts.

 

https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/news/construction-materials-shortage

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John52 - 2021-06-28 8:21 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-27 12:44 PM

 

Reading the posts on that fellas Youtube thingy it seems plenty believe hes very anti-Brexit ... Apparently you can fund his anti-Brexit views if you wish to fund his begging

 

Same old ad hominem. Ignore the issue and attack the person. I could write your posts for you because I know what you are going to say every time.

 

Your better at just sticking to what you do best, calling members on here "thick"

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-28 9:12 AM

 

"Brexit uncertainty

 

Roughly 60% of imported materials used in UK construction projects comes from the EU, according to the CLC, and increased congestion has been reported at UK ports since the turn of the year, leading to delays.

 

The UK-EU trade deal eased Brexit construction fears once it was confirmed that no additional tariffs on imports or quotas would be added, but the impact of Brexit has already led to disruption, lengthening supply lines for a number of core supplies from Europe.

 

The Timber Trade Federation (TTF) said in May that Brexit-related complications have squeezed UK timber stocks, as 80% of the softwood used in building comes from Europe, and 90% of the softwood used for new build homes comes from the continent.

 

Lack of lorry drivers

 

A shortage of lorry drivers has been reported by the CLC with building sites struggling to receive deliveries. “The availability of hauliers is a particular issue over the past months and it is clear that this is now a critical nationwide problem causing delays and impacting project programmes," they said."

 

So yet again Birdbrain disagrees with industry experts.

 

https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/news/construction-materials-shortage

 

Nope dont believe I have ever disagreed with industry experts so might be nice if you showed where I have because if you cant once again your just peddling hate and lies ... I have disagreed with haters on here when they scream about not being able to get a pint and that all the waiters have gone as that claim is simply untrue in my experience ... As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

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Birdbrain - 2021-06-28 7:21 PM

As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

 

What they seem to be saying is supplies are 'running short' in England due to Brexit delays - direct and indirect like the shortage of lorry drivers due to Brexit.

Naturally BoJo & the media supporting him are blaming the consequences of Brexit on Covid.

And getting away with it by the look of you.

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John52 - 2021-06-28 10:13 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-28 7:21 PM

As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

 

What they seem to be saying is supplies are 'running short' in England due to Brexit delays - direct and indirect like the shortage of lorry drivers due to Brexit.

Naturally BoJo & the media supporting him are blaming the consequences of Brexit on Covid.

And getting away with it by the look of you.

 

So breathable membrane that is in short supply because its made from the same stuff as some PPE products is down to Brexit??? ... Interlocking tiles and ridges that are in short supply because we have a building boom and companies that make them had to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Plaster and plasterboard shortages due to a building boom and companies having to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Why dont you do what you do pretty good on here and concentrate on calling members "thick"

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Birdbrain - 2021-06-29 6:11 AM

 

John52 - 2021-06-28 10:13 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-28 7:21 PM

As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

 

What they seem to be saying is supplies are 'running short' in England due to Brexit delays - direct and indirect like the shortage of lorry drivers due to Brexit.

Naturally BoJo & the media supporting him are blaming the consequences of Brexit on Covid.

And getting away with it by the look of you.

 

So breathable membrane that is in short supply because its made from the same stuff as some PPE products is down to Brexit??? ... Interlocking tiles and ridges that are in short supply because we have a building boom and companies that make them had to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Plaster and plasterboard shortages due to a building boom and companies having to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Why dont you do what you do pretty good on here and concentrate on calling members "thick"

 

My builder is putting the order in this week for the timber we need for our roof a few weeks early........ as he's been given the heads up that its going up 40% next week 8-) ............

 

Considering Brexit Blighty is supposed to be in deep recession according to the forums LOSERS ;-) .......

 

One has to wonder why we are having a building boom? :D ..........

 

Perhaps its because the Remoaners are WRONG. >:-) .........

 

AGAIN (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

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pelmetman - 2021-06-29 7:39 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-29 6:11 AM

 

John52 - 2021-06-28 10:13 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-28 7:21 PM

As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

 

What they seem to be saying is supplies are 'running short' in England due to Brexit delays - direct and indirect like the shortage of lorry drivers due to Brexit.

Naturally BoJo & the media supporting him are blaming the consequences of Brexit on Covid.

And getting away with it by the look of you.

 

So breathable membrane that is in short supply because its made from the same stuff as some PPE products is down to Brexit??? ... Interlocking tiles and ridges that are in short supply because we have a building boom and companies that make them had to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Plaster and plasterboard shortages due to a building boom and companies having to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Why dont you do what you do pretty good on here and concentrate on calling members "thick"

 

My builder is putting the order in this week for the timber we need for our roof a few weeks early........ as he's been given the heads up that its going up 40% next week 8-) ............

 

Considering Brexit Blighty is supposed to be in deep recession according to the forums LOSERS ;-) .......

 

One has to wonder why we are having a building boom? :D ..........

 

Perhaps its because the Remoaners are WRONG. >:-) .........

 

AGAIN (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

Building more homes would be a building boom

Prices going up is called inflation

The widely preducted consequence of Brexit

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Why is there a shortage of lorry drivers? Possibly because they are not highly paid, have to pee in a bottle and sling it in a layby. Poo behind a tree in a layby, struggle to find somewhere to wash and bathe. Have to fork out of their wages for a pointless test to keep their licence.

 

Of course all the Europhiles are happy to import Johnny Foreigner (the bloke they don't give a jot about and his working conditions but howl with rage when he is no longer available for their benefit). That's the thing about remainers, it's all about me, me, me ....... and nobody else. *-)

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For lorry drivers in England its all about congestion and delay coupled with just-in-time deliveries

People think its awkward parking their motorhome overnight in England.

They should try it with a 44 tonne lorry, a valuble load, and the restrictions of a tachograph....

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747 - 2021-06-29 8:51 AM

 

Why is there a shortage of lorry drivers? Possibly because they are not highly paid, have to pee in a bottle and sling it in a layby. Poo behind a tree in a layby, struggle to find somewhere to wash and bathe. Have to fork out of their wages for a pointless test to keep their licence.

 

Of course all the Europhiles are happy to import Johnny Foreigner (the bloke they don't give a jot about and his working conditions but howl with rage when he is no longer available for their benefit). That's the thing about remainers, it's all about me, me, me ....... and nobody else. *-)

 

Careful you are beginning to sound like a union supporting socialist there.

 

Interesting that the government's response is to increase drivers hours and allow cheap foreign drivers back in

 

"Officials from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) are understood to have discussed potential solutions, including relaxing restrictions on drivers’ working hours and increasing capacity for HGV driving tests and training to help bring in new local drivers.

 

Defra is also considering putting drivers on the official shortage occupation list to help make it easier to bring in workers from overseas."

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747 - 2021-06-29 8:51 AM

1 Why is there a shortage of lorry drivers?

2 Possibly because a) they are not highly paid, b) have to pee in a bottle and sling it in a layby. c) Poo behind a tree in a layby, d) struggle to find somewhere to wash and bathe.

3 Have to fork out of their wages for a pointless test to keep their licence.

4 Of course all the Europhiles are happy to import Johnny Foreigner (the bloke they don't give a jot about and his working conditions but howl with rage when he is no longer available for their benefit).

5 That's the thing about remainers, it's all about me, me, me ....... and nobody else. *-)

1 Why indeed?

2 Surely not for the reasons stated, as prior to Brexit/Covid there was, apparently, no shortage. So what was the critical change?

3 What is the pointless test, and why is it pointless?

4 Really? If the conditions for lorry drivers pre Brexit/Covid were a bad as you allege, why are these shortages only now apparent? What is the solution?

 

Would remedying 2 a) eliminate 2 b) to d), or would we merely have higher paid lorry drivers peeing in bottles, pooing behind trees, and struggling to find washing facilities?

 

There are various secure lorry parks that could be used, albeit at a price. Laybys are cheaper, and unspent meal and accommodation allowances add to income, do they not?

 

Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes do not require tachographs: hence the "Polski van", the latest incarnations of which have Luton cabs incorporating beds. Drive as long as you like, kip where you can, split loads among a number of owner drivers, and light goods deliveries suddenly become cheaper by light van than by HGV. Exploitation of the unfortunate, taking unfair advantage of rules, or smart entrepreneurism?

 

Who sets the standards, the truckers or the government? It is a cut-throat business, with free-market rules pitting drivers from lower cost countries against those from higher cost countries. Protectionism, or free market?

 

What we are discovering is how much of our national supply chain has become dominated by truckers from the lower cost countries with long range fuel tanks. That apparently suited everyone except the UK truckers, because it kept delivery costs down. That has been the case for the past 40 or so years, so why the worry now?

 

Why are these long-standing inadequacies only now worthy of consideration? No-one has ever, to my knowledge, even bothered enforcing the laws requiring foreign trucks having their headlights re-set to dip left. Why? Because cheap goods are politically popular. Why is there no legislation banning trucks from overnighting on lay-bys to force them into secure parking places with proper sanitary facilities and eateries?

 

But why the assumption that only remainers are complaining, and by extension, that only Brexiters care? Is what you describe any more than the operation of light touch regulation within a free market? Was that objective not what Brexit was about? Greater access to markets around the world, with cheaper goods from lower cost, less regulated, countries - to the general (but unstated) disadvantage of UK producers. Australia trade agreement vs British farmers? Who wins there?

 

All you are seeing is the short term impact of un-regulated free market economics on a sector whose market has been abruptly disrupted by factors outside its control or influence. What should we have instead? Greater regulation? If so, why only now? None of this is new.

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John52 - 2021-06-29 8:36 AM

 

pelmetman - 2021-06-29 7:39 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-29 6:11 AM

 

John52 - 2021-06-28 10:13 PM

 

Birdbrain - 2021-06-28 7:21 PM

As for roofing supplies go one of my childhood friends sold his family roofing supply business to another company but he stayed there as manager so I tend to believe what he tells me about supplies and why some supplies are running short given hes been in the business a long time ... SFH please

 

What they seem to be saying is supplies are 'running short' in England due to Brexit delays - direct and indirect like the shortage of lorry drivers due to Brexit.

Naturally BoJo & the media supporting him are blaming the consequences of Brexit on Covid.

And getting away with it by the look of you.

 

So breathable membrane that is in short supply because its made from the same stuff as some PPE products is down to Brexit??? ... Interlocking tiles and ridges that are in short supply because we have a building boom and companies that make them had to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Plaster and plasterboard shortages due to a building boom and companies having to close in lockdown is down to Brexit??? ... Why dont you do what you do pretty good on here and concentrate on calling members "thick"

 

My builder is putting the order in this week for the timber we need for our roof a few weeks early........ as he's been given the heads up that its going up 40% next week 8-) ............

 

Considering Brexit Blighty is supposed to be in deep recession according to the forums LOSERS ;-) .......

 

One has to wonder why we are having a building boom? :D ..........

 

Perhaps its because the Remoaners are WRONG. >:-) .........

 

AGAIN (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

Building more homes would be a building boom

Prices going up is called inflation

The widely preducted consequence of Brexit

 

There's deffo a building boom down here ;-) ..........

 

Maybe there's not in Jokeland as your builders prolly know that if you vote LEAVE...... many will >:-) .......

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