Cost of living

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2022-04-03 8:56 AM

 

So far this month.......ie since the price hike ;-) .........

 

Electric...........£3.63

 

Gas................£7.90

 

Bargain B-) .........

Instead of posting fiction try posting fact for a change. Post up the email you've had from your energy supplier showing the annual increases for your gas and electric.

 

And if you haven't had email you will have been informed by mail as everyone has had one or the other communicated to them.

[Bulletguy]

 

 

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 2:25 AM

 

When I read the headline (and let’s face it! Headlines and him being in them is the only thing Matin Lewis is after in this) - I wondered if it was about Germany?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/30/germany-close-to-gas-rationing-as-it-activates-emergency-fuel-plan

 

Thats what I expected.

2 different ways of dealing with the shortage.

Germany rations scarce goods (gas) based on people's need,

Tories just whack the price up so only the rich can afford them - irrespective of who needs them most.

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

[John52]

At the height of the Pandemic Germany gave us 100 ventilators.

Now they are in trouble since most of their gas comes from Russia,

and they are doing the decent and honourable thing by rejecting Russian bribes and threats.

(unlike the Russian money the Tory Brexiteers have trousered)

Wouldn't it be nice if we were helping Germany out like they helped us out,

Instead of crowing over their predicament?

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 2:25 AM

Headlines and him being in them is the only thing Matin Lewis is after in this)

 

Martin Lewis is doing Sunak and the FCA's job for them - again;

 

from the FT;

 

Martin Lewis, founder of the MoneySavingExpert consumer advice site, has launched a campaign to end the “lucky dip” of advertised rates on credit cards and loans, urging the UK financial regulator to better protect consumers as borrowing hits record levels.

 

The campaign, which has already won the backing of chancellor Rishi Sunak, comes at a time when millions of families are becoming more reliant on credit cards to make ends meet, yet find they are unable to access low interest deals advertised by lenders.

 

Under current rules, only 51 per cent of applicants who are accepted by a credit provider have to be offered the “representative rate” of interest, meaning 49 per cent of borrowers could end up being charged a much higher rate.

 

As the true rate is not revealed until the application and credit scoring process is completed, many borrowers may feel forced to accept the more expensive offer, or be left with unnecessary marks on their credit file if they reject it.

 

Research carried out by MSE found that over the past three years, 40 per cent of personal loan applicants and 28 per cent of credit card applicants had been offered a higher APR (annual percentage rate) than the one advertised.

 

“For years, credit card applications have been inherently anti-competitive,” said Lewis. “When people apply for debt, they usually apply based on the advertised rate. The fact that a huge number of people can be accepted but charged more is demoralising and dangerous — and staggeringly, there is no cap on what they can be charged.”

 

MSE’s research found that some borrowers ended up being offered more than double the rate advertised. One man with a near-perfect credit score applied for a £15,000 personal loan with an APR of 3.3 per cent, but was given a rate of 7.8 per cent, pushing up the cost of his monthly repayments.

 

“I had no option but to go with the APR offered as the mark was already on my credit file as a hard search,” he said. “It’s a lucky dip when applying and can actually put you in a worse financial situation.”

 

The UK started using representative rates of APR in April 2011 in order to homogenise rules across the EU, following an EU Directive. Before this, 66 per cent of borrowers had to be given the advertised rate of interest, known as the “typical” APR.

 

Lewis has challenged the financial regulator to take advantage of Britain’s exit from the EU to return to the former system where two-thirds of borrowers had to receive the rate advertised, as well as capping the maximum amount of interest that can be charged.

 

He also wants the new rules to be applied to 0 per cent credit cards, where borrowers are granted interest-free payments or purchases for a number of months. Currently, applicants can be offered a reduced number of months, but Lewis wants two-thirds to receive the time period advertised.

 

“Lenders tend to make most of the profit from the tail, those that get charged a higher rate — often those with weaker finances,” he said. “With a new Brexit opportunities minister in place, this seems the right time to push for change.”

 

The MSE report has been submitted to the Treasury and the Financial Conduct Authority.

 

“It is important that the advertised APRs reflect the rate the consumer is likely to receive,” said Sunak, adding that he “welcomed the report” and would ask the FCA “to assess the merits of reform in this area”.

 

The FCA said: “We are continuing our work to ensure that the credit market works well for borrowers and provides the necessary protections, particularly in light of the cost of living crisis. We welcome MSE’s report and will discuss the findings and recommendations with them and the Treasury.”

 

Top voted comment;

The FCA are useless. These things only change when there are organic campaigns to resist unfair practices.

 

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:22 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:08 AM

 

At the height of the Pandemic Germany gave us 100 ventilators.

Now they are in trouble since most of their gas comes from Russia,

and they are doing the decent and honourable thing by rejecting Russian bribes and threats.

(unlike the Russian money the Tory Brexiteers have trousered)

Wouldn't it be nice if we were helping Germany out like they helped us out,

Instead of crowing over their predicament?

 

Amazing - coming from you who “crows” over the UK’s “difficulties” at every possible opportunity both real and imagined.

 

As for Russian money bribes - just think!!!! - if Germany wasn’t in hock to Russia for its energy such that Germany is STILL paying Russia $billions each month - the Russians would not have any dosh to bung our dodgy politicians, would they!!

 

Putin would still have our money from buying their oil etc to bung to the Tory Brexiteers.

Are the people the Tories buy gas from (and sell arms to like Murderous Bin Salman) any better than Putin?

[John52]

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:52 AM

 

Typical - conflate any argument from any dimension rather than deal with a reality you don’t like.

 

You are dishonest with little in the way of a moral compass.

 

Nice deflection

[John52]

So it seems Martin Lewis may have found an advantage of Brexit.

But it only benefits Credit Card borrowers, not the sort of people who hire Brexiteer Tory MPs

So they didn't even know about it.

But I don't suppose it will stop them claiming its why they wanted to leave?

[CurtainRaiser]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:22 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:08 AM

 

At the height of the Pandemic Germany gave us 100 ventilators.

Now they are in trouble since most of their gas comes from Russia,

and they are doing the decent and honourable thing by rejecting Russian bribes and threats.

(unlike the Russian money the Tory Brexiteers have trousered)

Wouldn't it be nice if we were helping Germany out like they helped us out,

Instead of crowing over their predicament?

 

Amazing - coming from you who “crows” over the UK’s “difficulties” at every possible opportunity both real and imagined.

 

As for Russian money bribes - just think!!!! - if Germany wasn’t in hock to Russia for its energy such that Germany is STILL paying Russia $billions each month - the Russians would not have any dosh to bung our dodgy politicians, would they!!

 

Has the UK reduced its purchase of Russian hydrocarbons yet?

 

Or have the Tories made an announcement that they are going to reduce the imports to zero over the next nine months?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-phase-out-russian-oil-imports#:~:text=Russian%20imports%20account%20for%208,%2C%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20and%20USA.

 

So in effect we are no different to Germany, we are still funding the Russian war machine, its just a question of scale.

 

 

[Guest pelmetman]

Day 4 :D .........

 

So far this month ;-) ........

 

Leccy..........£5.80

 

Gas.............£14.65

 

 

[CurtainRaiser]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 11:10 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2022-04-04 10:41 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:22 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:08 AM

 

At the height of the Pandemic Germany gave us 100 ventilators.

Now they are in trouble since most of their gas comes from Russia,

and they are doing the decent and honourable thing by rejecting Russian bribes and threats.

(unlike the Russian money the Tory Brexiteers have trousered)

Wouldn't it be nice if we were helping Germany out like they helped us out,

Instead of crowing over their predicament?

 

Amazing - coming from you who “crows” over the UK’s “difficulties” at every possible opportunity both real and imagined.

 

As for Russian money bribes - just think!!!! - if Germany wasn’t in hock to Russia for its energy such that Germany is STILL paying Russia $billions each month - the Russians would not have any dosh to bung our dodgy politicians, would they!!

 

Has the UK reduced its purchase of Russian hydrocarbons yet?

 

Or have the Tories made an announcement that they are going to reduce the imports to zero over the next nine months?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-phase-out-russian-oil-imports#:~:text=Russian%20imports%20account%20for%208,%2C%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20and%20USA.

 

So in effect we are no different to Germany, we are still funding the Russian war machine, its just a question of scale.

 

 

No different?

 

U.K. oil imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 8%

 

U.K. Gas imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 4%

 

So - we are hardly reliant on Russian energy like Germany is after Gerhard Schroder and Mutti Merkel sold Germany’s energy “soul” to Putin.

 

You lot constantly bleat on about “bungs” from Russia to U.K. politicians - and I do not doubt that there were/are!

 

But you are suspiciously silent on Germany’s Gerhard Schroder’s role and his and Merkel’s monetary “benefits” in producing the energy debacle hitting Germany and the EU.

 

Very suspicious.

 

Nothing at all suspicious about it. Just blatant corruption.

 

The difference is that at all levels - Party, Government and EU he has been severely critisiced and sanctions have started against him.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/schroder-russia-links-germany-putin-b2048009.html

 

Here we have the son of a KGB officer making British Laws, appointed by a Prime Minister whose party received numerous declared party bribes and lots of undeclared personal gifts - including free holidays. A PM who is refusing to release a unredacted government investigation into Russian interference in our democracy and who over ruled the Intelligence Service when it expressed concerns about Lordshipski.

 

One country represents a functioning democracy. And its not the UK.

 

[colin]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 11:10 AM

U.K. oil imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 8%

 

U.K. Gas imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 4%

 

The UK is reliant on Russian deisel, so much so that .gov can't see a way out of using it until 2023, cutting it off before then and the country will grind to a halt. This isn't on the scale that Germany is reliant, but if Russia turns off the gas taps then it appears UK will also be in big trouble.

Meanwhile Schroder is under investigation by German authorities for 'crimes against humanity',

[Barryd999]

colin - 2022-04-04 12:25 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 11:10 AM

U.K. oil imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 8%

 

U.K. Gas imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 4%

 

The UK is reliant on Russian deisel, so much so that .gov can't see a way out of using it until 2023, cutting it off before then and the country will grind to a halt. This isn't on the scale that Germany is reliant, but if Russia turns off the gas taps then it appears UK will also be in big trouble.

Meanwhile Schroder is under investigation by German authorities for 'crimes against humanity',

 

Yes I believe a lot of our gas comes from Norway and if Europe suffers shortages of Gas because Russia cuts it off under EU law I believe Norway will have to prioritise EU member states supply needs. I didn't know about the diesel. Am I going to get stranded this way away in the van? 8-)

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 11:10 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2022-04-04 10:41 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:22 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:08 AM

 

At the height of the Pandemic Germany gave us 100 ventilators.

Now they are in trouble since most of their gas comes from Russia,

and they are doing the decent and honourable thing by rejecting Russian bribes and threats.

(unlike the Russian money the Tory Brexiteers have trousered)

Wouldn't it be nice if we were helping Germany out like they helped us out,

Instead of crowing over their predicament?

 

Amazing - coming from you who “crows” over the UK’s “difficulties” at every possible opportunity both real and imagined.

 

As for Russian money bribes - just think!!!! - if Germany wasn’t in hock to Russia for its energy such that Germany is STILL paying Russia $billions each month - the Russians would not have any dosh to bung our dodgy politicians, would they!!

 

Has the UK reduced its purchase of Russian hydrocarbons yet?

 

Or have the Tories made an announcement that they are going to reduce the imports to zero over the next nine months?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-phase-out-russian-oil-imports#:~:text=Russian%20imports%20account%20for%208,%2C%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20and%20USA.

 

So in effect we are no different to Germany, we are still funding the Russian war machine, its just a question of scale.

 

 

No different?

 

U.K. oil imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 8%

 

U.K. Gas imports from Russia as a percentage of U.K. total use - 4%

 

 

Apparently its necessary to point out that Germany is geographically closer to Russia, so it makes sense they got more of their gas from there.

[John52]

CurtainRaiser - 2022-04-04 12:24 PM

The difference is that at all levels - Party, Government and EU he has been severely critisiced and sanctions have started against him.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/schroder-russia-links-germany-putin-b2048009.html

 

Here we have the son of a KGB officer making British Laws, appointed by a Prime Minister whose party received numerous declared party bribes and lots of undeclared personal gifts - including free holidays. A PM who is refusing to release a unredacted government investigation into Russian interference in our democracy and who over ruled the Intelligence Service when it expressed concerns about Lordshipski.

 

One country represents a functioning democracy. And its not the UK.

 

Exactly

[Bulletguy]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:17 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Really?

 

Household energy bill per household €3400 estimated for 2022 in Germany

 

€3000 for U.K.

 

€2800 for France

 

€2000 for Spain

 

These figs from Allianz-trade

 

And as far as I am aware Germany does not have a price cap that we do in the U.K. (54%) which tho high - does at least put an upper limit on bills regardless of how rich or poor you are.

 

You seem determined not to deal with the reality that Germany is likely to experience not only higher gas prices due to increases not being capped, but usage being rationed as well.

Your rabid Germanophobia is on a par with the other wingnut on this forum. Germany enjoys a much higher standard of living than UK and when comparing costs you also need to account for average income levels.

 

As for their energy price cap, they are looking at slashing VAT for a start....something Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax”. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK left the EU but VAT is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering.

 

Other European countries have already offered financial relief to consumers – Belgium, for example, has reduced VAT on electricity prices from 21 to 6 percent and given all households an energy bill discount of €100.

 

France has capped theirs at 4% plus given households a discount of €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK did, France gave it to their citizens.

 

Finally, a lady posted this yesterday.....and there will undoubtedly be more in similar situations. It's about her daughter and the horrendous increase in her energy bills shes now facing paying £4,500 a year. She asks one question;

 

"What do we turn off?"

 

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2022-04-04 10:59 AM

 

Day 4 :D .........

 

So far this month ;-) ........

 

Leccy..........£5.80

 

Gas.............£14.65

 

Instead of posting pointless fiction try posting FACT for a change. I know you've always struggled with that but in this particular case it's extremely easy.

 

1) Post up the email you've had from your energy supplier showing the annual increases for your gas and electric.

 

2) If you haven't had email you will have been informed of the figures by mail as everyone has had one or the other communicated to them.

[John52]

pelmetman - 2022-04-04 10:59 AM

 

Day 4 :D .........

 

So far this month ;-) ........

 

.......

 

Gas.............£14.65

 

 

Well if thats true its £14.65 more than me.

I'm wearing 2 or 3 of everything (like I do in the van), and the money I'm saving is going for Ukraine.

[CurtainRaiser]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 4:29 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2022-04-04 3:27 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:17 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

In

Really?

 

Household energy bill per household €3400 estimated for 2022 in Germany

 

€3000 for U.K.

 

€2800 for France

 

€2000 for Spain

 

These figs from Allianz-trade

 

And as far as I am aware Germany does not have a price cap that we do in the U.K. (54%) which tho high - does at least put an upper limit on bills regardless of how rich or poor you are.

 

You seem determined not to deal with the reality that Germany is likely to experience not only higher gas prices due to increases not being capped, but usage being rationed as well.

Your rabid Germanophobia is on a par with the other wingnut on this forum. Germany enjoys a much higher standard of living than UK and when comparing costs you also need to account for average income levels.

 

As for their energy price cap, they are looking at slashing VAT for a start....something Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax”. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK left the EU but VAT is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering.

 

Other European countries have already offered financial relief to consumers – Belgium, for example, has reduced VAT on electricity prices from 21 to 6 percent and given all households an energy bill discount of €100.

 

France has capped theirs at 4% plus given households a discount of €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK did, France gave it to their citizens.

 

Finally, a lady posted this yesterday.....and there will undoubtedly be more in similar situations. It's about her daughter and the horrendous increase in her energy bills shes now facing paying £4,500 a year. She asks one question;

 

"What do we turn off?"

 

 

I could easily say the same about your rabid U.K.aphobia - you lot never give up on cherry picking data to prove how much worse it is.

 

All I do is cite some facts from a respected source and look what you do! - falsely accuse me of a phobia against a country I have a great respect for (apart from its politicians) but it has allowed itself to become energy subservient to Russia.

 

This is a fact - as is the fact - that we have a 54% price cap.

 

Again something all your spluttering swively eyed spittle flecked angry response ignores because it does not fit your false narrative.

 

I am deeply sorry for the disabled child.

 

It cannot be easy.

 

And they have all of our sympathy I am sure.

 

But to cynically use their plight to bolster your false narrative is the actions of a charlatan.

 

Shame on you.

 

"Thoughts and prayers " eh!

 

Meanwhil:: Official notice from German Government of seizure of Gazprom Germany and all voting rights, ability to appoint board, after change of ownership in Russia to unidentifiable owners “Palmary” and attempt to liquidate, justified on basis of ownership of “critical infrastructure”

[CurtainRaiser]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 6:09 PM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2022-04-04 5:29 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 4:29 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2022-04-04 3:27 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:17 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

In

Really?

 

Household energy bill per household €3400 estimated for 2022 in Germany

 

€3000 for U.K.

 

€2800 for France

 

€2000 for Spain

 

These figs from Allianz-trade

 

And as far as I am aware Germany does not have a price cap that we do in the U.K. (54%) which tho high - does at least put an upper limit on bills regardless of how rich or poor you are.

 

You seem determined not to deal with the reality that Germany is likely to experience not only higher gas prices due to increases not being capped, but usage being rationed as well.

Your rabid Germanophobia is on a par with the other wingnut on this forum. Germany enjoys a much higher standard of living than UK and when comparing costs you also need to account for average income levels.

 

As for their energy price cap, they are looking at slashing VAT for a start....something Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax”. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK left the EU but VAT is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering.

 

Other European countries have already offered financial relief to consumers – Belgium, for example, has reduced VAT on electricity prices from 21 to 6 percent and given all households an energy bill discount of €100.

 

France has capped theirs at 4% plus given households a discount of €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK did, France gave it to their citizens.

 

Finally, a lady posted this yesterday.....and there will undoubtedly be more in similar situations. It's about her daughter and the horrendous increase in her energy bills shes now facing paying £4,500 a year. She asks one question;

 

"What do we turn off?"

 

 

I could easily say the same about your rabid U.K.aphobia - you lot never give up on cherry picking data to prove how much worse it is.

 

All I do is cite some facts from a respected source and look what you do! - falsely accuse me of a phobia against a country I have a great respect for (apart from its politicians) but it has allowed itself to become energy subservient to Russia.

 

This is a fact - as is the fact - that we have a 54% price cap.

 

Again something all your spluttering swively eyed spittle flecked angry response ignores because it does not fit your false narrative.

 

I am deeply sorry for the disabled child.

 

It cannot be easy.

 

And they have all of our sympathy I am sure.

 

But to cynically use their plight to bolster your false narrative is the actions of a charlatan.

 

Shame on you.

 

"Thoughts and prayers " eh!

 

Meanwhil:: Official notice from German Government of seizure of Gazprom Germany and all voting rights, ability to appoint board, after change of ownership in Russia to unidentifiable owners “Palmary” and attempt to liquidate, justified on basis of ownership of “critical infrastructure”

 

The reports I have seen state that these Gazprom subsidiaries have only temporarily been placed under a form of Trusteeship up until 30 September this year.

 

 

Clearly your German comprehension is as poor as your English.

[Bulletguy]

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 4:29 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2022-04-04 3:27 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:17 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

In

Really?

 

Household energy bill per household €3400 estimated for 2022 in Germany

 

€3000 for U.K.

 

€2800 for France

 

€2000 for Spain

 

These figs from Allianz-trade

 

And as far as I am aware Germany does not have a price cap that we do in the U.K. (54%) which tho high - does at least put an upper limit on bills regardless of how rich or poor you are.

 

You seem determined not to deal with the reality that Germany is likely to experience not only higher gas prices due to increases not being capped, but usage being rationed as well.

Your rabid Germanophobia is on a par with the other wingnut on this forum. Germany enjoys a much higher standard of living than UK and when comparing costs you also need to account for average income levels.

 

As for their energy price cap, they are looking at slashing VAT for a start....something Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax”. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK left the EU but VAT is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering.

 

Other European countries have already offered financial relief to consumers – Belgium, for example, has reduced VAT on electricity prices from 21 to 6 percent and given all households an energy bill discount of €100.

 

France has capped theirs at 4% plus given households a discount of €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK did, France gave it to their citizens.

 

Finally, a lady posted this yesterday.....and there will undoubtedly be more in similar situations. It's about her daughter and the horrendous increase in her energy bills shes now facing paying £4,500 a year. She asks one question;

 

"What do we turn off?"

 

 

I could easily say the same about your rabid U.K.aphobia - you lot never give up on cherry picking data to prove how much worse it is.

 

All I do is cite some facts from a respected source and look what you do! - falsely accuse me of a phobia against a country I have a great respect for (apart from its politicians) but it has allowed itself to become energy subservient to Russia.

 

This is a fact - as is the fact - that we have a 54% price cap.

 

Again something all your spluttering swively eyed spittle flecked angry response ignores because it does not fit your false narrative.

 

I am deeply sorry for the disabled child.

 

It cannot be easy.

 

And they have all of our sympathy I am sure.

 

But to cynically use their plight to bolster your false narrative is the actions of a charlatan.

 

Shame on you.

"Cherry picking"????!!! Hilarious......kettle calling teapot but of course you're so bloody arrogant and bloated full of self importance you believe you're beyond reproach.

 

You regularly "cite from a source" but rarely if ever link it. You concluded from those figures you quoted, Germany is paying more per household for their energy than UK.......period. Thats it. But the following albeit 4 years old shows your conclusion is not entirely correct and I cite my source;

 

According to the most recent data, German retail power rates are the highest in the EU along with Denmark’s. The monthly power bill is, however, exaggerated in reports. Average German power bills are consistently overestimated.

 

Estimates for the average power bill are also circulated but seem systematically exaggerated. For instance, the German article linked to above comes to a monthly power bill of 93.93 euros based on 4,000 kWh of consumption annually. That figure is even higher than the usual 3,500 kWh annually for a “three-person household” – the metric usually used by German utility umbrella organization BDEW (in German).

 

Germany has an estimated 41 million households and a population of 82 million people, putting the average number of people per household at exactly two. A three-person household is larger than the average. More importantly, the number of kilowatt-hours consumed in residential buildings is also considerably lower.

 

The EU does not gather statistics on monthly residential power bills, so we cannot easily compare. “Strom Report” tries to put the matter into context using the data available, so we see that German retail power prices (not bills!) are in the middle of the field once account is taken of purchasing power. But even that comparison does not take account of actual spending – the bills, not just the prices. I have also written here about households not being able to pay their energy bills, and once again Germany does not perform so poorly.

 

https://energytransition.org/2018/02/high-german-power-prices-low-monthly-bills/

 

We have a 54% price cap but as i've already said that's far too high and totally unsustainable when bearing in mind a further similar increase will kick in come October. European countries have either already slashed their VAT or looking at doing so.

 

France capped their energy at 4%........50% LESS than UK so we're not doing good there.

 

France has also given households €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK is doing. Cash into their citizens bank accounts. So once again we're still not doing very well.

 

Now, Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax” (referring to VAT).

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK has left the EU but VAT on energy is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering instead of time wasting and deflecting finger pointing at other countries.

 

And you didn't answer that lady's question....."What do we turn off?" There's no false narrative, it's an extremely serious matter.

[John52]

Gremlin - 2022-04-05 4:59 AM

I would turn off the energy imports from Russia that keep funding the killing, the torture, the bombings, the rape of children in front of their parents.

Yes, that is what I would turn off, even if I had a disabled child and debt as a consequence - because I would not want the death and torture of other children to be on my conscience.

 

So what have you turned off?

I've turned off my gas

So I'm sitting here in 2 pairs of joggers, 2 pullovers and a fleece, - warm enough.

The more we use the more the price goes up and funds Putins war machine.

My money is going for Ukraine instead of Putin. :-D

Admittedly its easier for me because I live in a big old house on my own, so a big saving for comparatively little inconvenience. I recognise not everyone can do it. But lets do what we can.

[CurtainRaiser]

Gremlin - 2022-04-05 11:03 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-05 7:55 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-05 4:59 AM

I would turn off the energy imports from Russia that keep funding the killing, the torture, the bombings, the rape of children in front of their parents.

Yes, that is what I would turn off, even if I had a disabled child and debt as a consequence - because I would not want the death and torture of other children to be on my conscience.

 

So what have you turned off?

I've turned off my gas

So I'm sitting here in 2 pairs of joggers, 2 pullovers and a fleece, - warm enough.

The more we use the more the price goes up and funds Putins war machine.

My money is going for Ukraine instead of Putin. :-D

Admittedly its easier for me because I live in a big old house on my own, so a big saving for comparatively little inconvenience. I recognise not everyone can do it. But lets do what we can.

 

Totally agree.

 

We have turned our gas central heating right down and use electric as much as possible as we have solar panels and battery.

 

We do have a gas hob - but have dusted off our old George Forman grill so outside BBQ’s on this are free as long as there is sufficient light.

 

What battery system do you have and how much does it contribute over the winter?

[Bulletguy]

Gremlin - 2022-04-05 4:59 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2022-04-04 10:09 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 4:29 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2022-04-04 3:27 PM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 9:17 AM

 

John52 - 2022-04-04 9:03 AM

 

Gremlin - 2022-04-04 8:58 AM

You do make me laugh!

 

You ignore the fact that Germans are also paying record highs for their energy - Reuters have good coverage for this - and have done for some time.

 

The say prices have risen 62% since December - whereas the UK’s price cap restricts any increase to 54%

 

Reuters reports that “The European Gas Spot index at the German Trading hub “THE” is up 93% this month from the previous Month.”

 

And of course todays Spot Price has not yet worked it’s way through to consumers yet.

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

 

Not only is Germany experiencing price rises higher than the U.K.’s increase, capped at 54%, - but a) more price rises are “in the pipeline” (see what I did there……. (lol) ) and b) Germany could end up with its economy badly hit if rationing is applied and homes are prioritised over industry.

 

 

So - far from what you try to spin - the reality is pretty much the opposite of your crazy bullshirt.

 

I have already pointed out where a x% rise in EU prices is less than an x% rise in UK prices.

You should compare the prices we are paying, not the % increase

 

So - do be fair - please!!!

In

Really?

 

Household energy bill per household €3400 estimated for 2022 in Germany

 

€3000 for U.K.

 

€2800 for France

 

€2000 for Spain

 

These figs from Allianz-trade

 

And as far as I am aware Germany does not have a price cap that we do in the U.K. (54%) which tho high - does at least put an upper limit on bills regardless of how rich or poor you are.

 

You seem determined not to deal with the reality that Germany is likely to experience not only higher gas prices due to increases not being capped, but usage being rationed as well.

Your rabid Germanophobia is on a par with the other wingnut on this forum. Germany enjoys a much higher standard of living than UK and when comparing costs you also need to account for average income levels.

 

As for their energy price cap, they are looking at slashing VAT for a start....something Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax”. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK left the EU but VAT is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering.

 

Other European countries have already offered financial relief to consumers – Belgium, for example, has reduced VAT on electricity prices from 21 to 6 percent and given all households an energy bill discount of €100.

 

France has capped theirs at 4% plus given households a discount of €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK did, France gave it to their citizens.

 

Finally, a lady posted this yesterday.....and there will undoubtedly be more in similar situations. It's about her daughter and the horrendous increase in her energy bills shes now facing paying £4,500 a year. She asks one question;

 

"What do we turn off?"

 

 

I could easily say the same about your rabid U.K.aphobia - you lot never give up on cherry picking data to prove how much worse it is.

 

All I do is cite some facts from a respected source and look what you do! - falsely accuse me of a phobia against a country I have a great respect for (apart from its politicians) but it has allowed itself to become energy subservient to Russia.

 

This is a fact - as is the fact - that we have a 54% price cap.

 

Again something all your spluttering swively eyed spittle flecked angry response ignores because it does not fit your false narrative.

 

I am deeply sorry for the disabled child.

 

It cannot be easy.

 

And they have all of our sympathy I am sure.

 

But to cynically use their plight to bolster your false narrative is the actions of a charlatan.

 

Shame on you.

"Cherry picking"????!!! Hilarious......kettle calling teapot but of course you're so bloody arrogant and bloated full of self importance you believe you're beyond reproach.

 

You regularly "cite from a source" but rarely if ever link it. You concluded from those figures you quoted, Germany is paying more per household for their energy than UK.......period. Thats it. But the following albeit 4 years old shows your conclusion is not entirely correct and I cite my source;

 

According to the most recent data, German retail power rates are the highest in the EU along with Denmark’s. The monthly power bill is, however, exaggerated in reports. Average German power bills are consistently overestimated.

 

Estimates for the average power bill are also circulated but seem systematically exaggerated. For instance, the German article linked to above comes to a monthly power bill of 93.93 euros based on 4,000 kWh of consumption annually. That figure is even higher than the usual 3,500 kWh annually for a “three-person household” – the metric usually used by German utility umbrella organization BDEW (in German).

 

Germany has an estimated 41 million households and a population of 82 million people, putting the average number of people per household at exactly two. A three-person household is larger than the average. More importantly, the number of kilowatt-hours consumed in residential buildings is also considerably lower.

 

The EU does not gather statistics on monthly residential power bills, so we cannot easily compare. “Strom Report” tries to put the matter into context using the data available, so we see that German retail power prices (not bills!) are in the middle of the field once account is taken of purchasing power. But even that comparison does not take account of actual spending – the bills, not just the prices. I have also written here about households not being able to pay their energy bills, and once again Germany does not perform so poorly.

 

https://energytransition.org/2018/02/high-german-power-prices-low-monthly-bills/

 

We have a 54% price cap but as i've already said that's far too high and totally unsustainable when bearing in mind a further similar increase will kick in come October. European countries have either already slashed their VAT or looking at doing so.

 

France capped their energy at 4%........50% LESS than UK so we're not doing good there.

 

France has also given households €100.....cash. NOT a loan as UK is doing. Cash into their citizens bank accounts. So once again we're still not doing very well.

 

Now, Johnson and Gove claimed “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax” (referring to VAT).

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-vote-leave-energy-bills-broken-promises-poorer-areas-1392403

 

Well UK has left the EU but VAT on energy is still in place. Why? Scrap it NOW. Get it done. You're a Brexit Believer so get delivering instead of time wasting and deflecting finger pointing at other countries.

 

And you didn't answer that lady's question....."What do we turn off?" There's no false narrative, it's an extremely serious matter.

 

What do we turn off?

She doesn't live in Russia, the EU, or Germany.......she lives here in UK so keep it real instead of diving off down a warren of rabbit holes muttering about rape and roubles.

 

Truth is your Brexit boys lied to the nation about “when we vote Leave we will be able to scrap this unfair tax” (VAT). Yet another example of why Brexit is an unmitigated disaster which has wreaked £billions of damage, the biggest single act of self harm ever inflicted on a nation. Anyone still supporting such lunacy needs sectioning.