Guest starspirit Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 I am warming to the idea of not having to cart Calor bottles to and fro and I just wonder why most folk have two refillable bottles when Autogas is now more readily available at home and abroad? A 6kg Calor lasts us about three weeks, with diesel heating, so wouldn't one refillable and one Calor as backup work quite well? With so much time between refills it should be easy enough to keep the gas charged up without much recourse to the backup bottle? On the other hand in winter and with gas heating we have been known to get through the same 6kg Calor in only 5 days in which case two refillables are definitely needed! Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Hi starspirit, That is the setup we have with one 11kg Gaslow (this replaced the previous 6kg one) and one backup 6kg Calor Propane. The intention was that when my stock of 6kg Calors were exhausted I would replace with a second but 6kg Gaslow (thats all the available space would allow). As you imply we still have not used the first of the Calors as we top up the 11kg Gaslow as soon as it gets low (as shown by Gaslow 'contents' guage) so it will be some while before we use the five remaining full Calors, might even keep them for investment purposes for the gas content the rate that Calor seem to up their prices!! 8-) 8-) 8-) Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 I assume you can't fit 11/13Kg cylinders in your locker? If you can, they seem more economical in overall cost than the smaller ones. If you pursue your new van idea, target lockers that will take 2 x 13Kg cylinders!Refillable cylinders generally seem expensive to me, compared to the cost of a bulk tank - which also gives you back the gas locker for alternative storage. However, if you install one refillable, why not two? The second one should come at a lower relative cost than the first, and you are then free of Calor's deposits and the need to visit Calor depots - for ever! You also escape any problems with variable bottle fittings abroad. Just make sure the filler point is installed into the side of the van somewhere, and not mounted inside the gas locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest starspirit Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 It's just that I have 3 full Calor 6kg bottles and that might cloud my judgement a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 starspirit - 2007-05-11 5:18 PM It's just that I have 3 full Calor 6kg bottles and that might cloud my judgement a bit! Yep exactly our situation, but hey 3 years on and I still have them!!! 8-) 8-) Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 starspirit - 2007-05-11 5:18 PM It's just that I have 3 full Calor 6kg bottles and that might cloud my judgement a bit! E-bay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Brian Just make sure the filler point is installed into the side of the van somewhere, and not mounted inside the gas locker. Do you have a particular reason why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapide561 Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 sshortcircuit - 2007-05-11 8:00 PM Brian Just make sure the filler point is installed into the side of the van somewhere, and not mounted inside the gas locker. Do you have a particular reason why? Hello In answer to the above, this is my "guess". In Italy, I was refused gas at the petrol station - presumably as the "attended service attendant" knew it was for cooking etc and not driving. If you have to lift up the locker door to access the filler, it does give the game away in this respect. Also, some people have had the gas filler mounted on the locker door - meaning that the filler and pipe move each time the locker is opened. I do not personally like that idea. Back to the initial post, I have Gaslow and like the system. I have had two gas leaks however. One was in the UK and one in Italy. Full credit to Gaslow however as they sent the replacement parts by courier to Lake Garda. Well done Jacquie at Gaslow. Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Russell I assume this was an isolated instance as you would eventually find a place to fill up. I fill mine at a local ASDA and whilst it indicates at the pump that cylinders are not to be filled, common sense prevails. The reason I ask the question, is why advertise that you have rather expensive bottles that are easily accesssable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 sshortcircuit - 2007-05-12 11:00 AM Russell I assume this was an isolated instance as you would eventually find a place to fill up. I fill mine at a local ASDA and whilst it indicates at the pump that cylinders are not to be filled, common sense prevails. The reason I ask the question, is why advertise that you have rather expensive bottles that are easily accesssable? Russel is right. The reason for not installing the filler point inside the gas locker, is so that filling station attendants do not fuss that you are filling portable cylinders, which is banned at a number of European filling stations. What works at your local ASDA, may not work when 2,500 miles from home, in a country in whose language you are less than fluent, and in which the next Autogas fill point may be 100, or more, miles distant! I agree that mounting the filler point on the gas locker door is probably undesirable. I do not agree that mounting it on the side of the van "advertises" anything about the nature of the gas installation. It says nothing of the makes or types of the cylinders, it could as easily be a bulk tank, or a vehicle converted to run on autogas. It is a just filler point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapide561 Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Hello Short circuit The problem in Italy is that the attendant fills up for you, gas, petrol or diesel. When the pterol station is closed, you can still get petrol and diesel by putting your credit card in the machine. The gas machine was switched off. I did obviously find another place who seemed happy I was spending money and theirs was not to reason why. My filler is fixed at the side of the van. Never had any problems in the UK with filling etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Unfortunately I have as yet to visit foriegn parts. You did manage to refill Russel, which suggests it is not a problem. Having 2 x11 Kg tanks, I do not run up immediate refill problems. Im afraid Brian a filler point immediately indicates either a tank or easily removable cylinders, much more so on a diesel powered vehicle and therefore a soft target. Prevention is far better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Well, Hamish, you may be right. I haven't heard of gaslows being nicked yet, but I guess someone will, sooner or later! However, the reason for suggesting avoiding mounting the filler inside the gas locker was, as Russell said, to overcome restrictions on filling cylinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 I believe paranoia reigns supreme! Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 We had 2 MTH 20 litre bottles in our A class which were superb and very long lasting. The only trouble was that I had to remove them from their dedicated locker to refill them. Not good! We now have 2 Gaslow 11kgs in our ih Motor Campers Oregon Re, filled from an outside filler point. Our experience in the UK is that some Autogas pumps are difficult to use and/or temperamental, but I have always found that by looking helpless and pitiful with the nozzle in my hand, some helpful garage employee always comes to the rescue! Either MTH or Gaslow is a vast improvement on Calor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Bas "I believe paranoia reigns supreme!" As your comment added nothing positive to the discussion I can only assume you are paranoidal about being left out. We are always being told to keep our possession out of sight away from temptation and the simple step seems a bit common sense. I appreciate there may be difficulties abroad, however as Russell has indicated he did manage to get a refill so how much a perceived problem is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 just back today from Newbury where I had MTH attempt to fit a twin refillable system to my new Ford based camper. All I can say at this stage is I was warned before regards their reliability - but nothing could prepare me for what insued today! will be contacting them this week and my solicitor as well as a CORGI fitter for a report. will start a new thread regards this once MTH have been given the chance to correct issues. I promise it will be a salutary lesson regards why it's best to go to a proper premises rather then a show for fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Oh dear .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 sshortcircuit - 2007-05-13 8:46 PM Bas "I believe paranoia reigns supreme!" As your comment added nothing positive to the discussion I can only assume you are paranoidal about being left out. ? You may not be able to see that something positive was added by my comment but that is your problem sir! Quite clearly the added view, for which I am entitled, is that so many people are paranoid about their possessions that to be concerned that having a refilling point on their van would entice someone to think 'ooo Gaslow cylinders I think I will nick them'is IMO ridiculous. As regards being left out , you are a really sad man!! Don't judge everyone by your own feelings! Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Bas Unfortunately I speak in plain english and if there was a positive input then it was not very clear. I would appologise if I have upset you but I would suggest you are a bit self opinionated in that you have to deride an idividuals suggestions Only after I had fitted the filling point it occurred that this had been a good positive action. It had not been a premeditaded and appears a very common sense action. Now go away and crawl under your stone as the matter is now closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Madge Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 JudgeMental - 2007-05-13 10:21 PM just back today from Newbury where I had MTH attempt to fit a twin refillable system to my new Ford based camper. All I can say at this stage is I was warned before regards their reliability - but nothing could prepare me for what insued today! will be contacting them this week and my solicitor as well as a CORGI fitter for a report. will start a new thread regards this once MTH have been given the chance to correct issues. I promise it will be a salutary lesson regards why it's best to go to a proper premises rather then a show for fitting. I wonder who did the fitting as Richard Cecil is laid up with a broken ankle. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 "I wonder who did the fitting as Richard Cecil is laid up with a broken ankle." Yes, obviously for shows they drag in any one with a spanner.... RC was dragged over on crutches half way through my excruciating installation to offer guidance. I have emailed photos and a long list of grievances to them today. I will give them 2 days to answer before I unleash my vitriolic summery of the debacle that befell us at Newbury. I am absolutely fuming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 sshortcircuit - 2007-05-14 4:21 PM Bas Unfortunately I speak in plain english and if there was a positive input then it was not very clear. Really!! --------------- I would appologise if I have upset you but I would suggest you are a bit self opinionated in that you have to deride an idividuals suggestions No apology neccessary because I am not upset in the least!! Self opinionated, no not one of my charecteristics actually. I said nothing about your suggestions only that Paranoia reigns reffering to the laughable idea that anyone would consider stealing Gaslows prompted by a filling point!!! ------------- Only after I had fitted the filling point it occurred that this had been a good positive action. It had not been a premeditaded and appears a very common sense action. So long as you are happy. -------------- Now go away and crawl under your stone as the matter is now closed I have no intention of doing this I would probably find you there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Dear Dear You highlighted my points most eloquently. Now get some vision and grow up. END of story as I am not going to prolong this childish behavour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Excellant!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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