Tony323 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Hi all, I need some help please as cold weather imminent. I exchanged Motorhome yesterday for a Luna Landstar RLS, delivered to my home, then driver went. The vehicle has not been drained down and water in the system, although i handed mine over winterized. can anybody give me the simple instructions, how to, i use a Flo air pressure system, usually I cannot find the water tank, am just lost at the mo, handbook, is useless. Thankyou for reading and help you may give me, i would be very grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec176 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Quickest suggestio, open up all the drain valves and then go for a 20 min drive, that should remove the majority of water in the pipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Tony323 The Landstar RLS panel-van conversion model will be fairly rare (and it might help to know the build-year of yours). There's a Lunar advert here that provides specification details https://www.lunarcaravans.com/brands/motor-homes/landstar/landstar-rls.html and the capacity of the water tanks is given as 70litre (fresh water) and 35 litres (waste water) with an "auto heating element" being standard for the fresh-water tank. Although no details are given on the position of the water tanks, it may safely be assumed that the 35-litres waste-water tank (That's really really small!) is external. It seems likely (as the Landstar is panel-van based and the fresh-water tank is said to be heatable) that the fresh-water tank is also external, with both the fresh and waste tanks under the vehicle's floor (and, perhaps, insulated). There's an Out&AboutLive short review of a 2019 model here, but this does not identify where the water tanks are. https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/reviews/campervans/lunar-landstar-rls On-line images suggest that the fresh-water tank filling-point of a Landstar RLS is near the rear of the vehicle in its right-hand side (UK 'offside'). If that's the case with your motorhome, the tank MIGHT be within the right-hand settee inside the vehicle, or (more likely) is under the floor. If you are gong to use the Floe arrangement for 'pressure draining', you'll need to suitably modify the Landstar's water system. I used to pressure-drain my Hobby and Rapido motothomes' fresh-water system via a DIY adapter fitted to the end of the bathroom's shower-hose and a 12V tyre-pump, - effective but a mite risky. Plenty of on-line guidance on winterising a motorhome - GOOGLE-search on winterising motorhome - but (as Steve has advised) open all drain valves and water taps and drive the motorhome for a while to help collected water to drain out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony323 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Thank you for replying to my Post, since looking at floe, i have realised there is more work to be done, so will not go this way for now. So still panicking, as weather is imminent freezing conditions, i have opened all taps and run the pump, which has emptied about 6 pints of water out the system and showing empty on the Lunar computer also the grey water tank, but the system is still bubbleing, with water in the pipes, I also cannot find any drain plugs , only the fresh water tank plug, (the handbook is useless) would you recommend getting Non Poison antifreeze for caravan fresh water systems ???? i contacted a caravan dealer and he has never heard of that type of antifreeze, I am so use to a motorhome with all equipment ontop within the cab and lounge, water tanks/pumps/boilers etc, but did not realise all in underneath the Lunar Vehicle, live and learn. If anybody has a Lunar Landstar motorhome RL, please would you get in touch, as i so need help in a learning curb, if you have the time, simple questions like, the boiler, does it have a dump valve ??, will putting the heating on(gas) affect the boiler if it does not have any water in it ?? etc, i understood my other Motorhome system by all you help and input, but now i start again, keeps my grey matter working and to not getting even older Lol, (which i am) thanks guy's for reading any any help you can give but please keep it simple, appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Two questions. First, have you taken the van out and driven it around as suggested above with all drain cocks open, and all taps etc fully open (both hot and cold) with the pump switched off? Second, have you contected Lunar's technical department to get the answers from the, ahem!, horses mouth? After all, they made it. 🙂 If the van has a Truma gas/electric water/space heater, then yes it will have the usual dump valve (which should be sited somewhere close to the Truma heater - if Lunar have followed Truma's recommendations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I'm pretty sure Lunar Caravans no longer exists. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00729912/insolvency The 1st link in my posting above indicated that the Landstar RLS heating was provided by a "Truma 4kw Gas/Electric Water & Space Heater" and (assuming that's the case for Tony's motorhome) it would be expected that a Truma FrostControl 'dump valve' would have been installed. Truma "Combi" heaters can safely be operated empty of water on gas to provide air heating, but it would be wise to obtain the relevant Truma Operating Instructions for guidance on this. If a motorhome has a diaphragm-type water pump and the water system is not air-pressure drained (eg. by using the Floe system) it's pretty much inevitable that residual water will remain in the water pipework and can be heard bubbling when the pump is run. Potable anti-freeze is more commonly used in large RVs or boats, but it's not hard to source. https://elsan.co.uk/caravan-and-motorhome-anti-freeze/#:~:text=Elsan Anti-Freeze is a,water disposal point after use. As it does not appear to be popular for winterising European-built leisure vehicles (or at least not in the UK) its perhaps not too surprising that the caravan dealer Tony spoke to had not heard of it. There is a small Lunar Motorhome Owners Facebook group, but I don't know how active it is. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1497340480538206/ also a Facebook Lunar Owners Club group https://www.facebook.com/LunarOwnersClub/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony323 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Thankyou all for your input and yes now thanks to you all found and done drain down, as you all said. appreciated. in panic i did order the Antifreeze non poisiness for drinking water pipes, which arrives tommorow. so 50-50 whether to put it in then flush out in spring, Marine company say it quite safe and boats use, what are all your thoughts, is this the modern way ??? as i have not heard till now, or is it the British way of just poo pooing it ?? i dont know. Brand is Blue Gee (Talamex, i think its (American) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david lloyd Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Think I’ll just stick to what I’ve done for over 25 years and drain down between trips or, if the next trip is not too long away, leave a form of low heating in the MH. Never been tempted to put any form of chemicals in the fresh tank. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Hi Why not contact where you brought the motorhome from or indeed Lunar's technical team and ask them for their instructions as you should then not void any warranty if provided by same and peace of mind . Otherwise , Just drain it down fully as instructed , and take it for a 20 min drive with frost drain open and taps open , But as it looks like you just purchased and are worried, I would advise you for your own peace of mind contact the seller or the Lunar's technical team for advice Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, onecal said: Why not contact ... Lunar's technical team... Because, as Derek posted above, Lunar Caravans went into voluntary liquidation in 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Hi Ok , I had no idea , but surly they had dealers or owners group that still may be able to advise and give the OP peace of mind since it looks like he has just purchase same. Was the OP aware they went into liquidation in 2021? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Hi I think if you look at page 8-1 of your owners manual it does indeed show the drain valve on the drawing .Also if your van does indeed contain a Truma Combi Boiler, it's owners manual clearly shows you how to drain down the system so as to protect it's boiler from frost damage The OP inquires the use of a use a Flo air pressure system If this kit is not fitted and you do not wish now to use this then why not use the advice given and also refer to the Truma Combi Boiler advice given in their Owners Operating manual Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec176 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just done a search on Google, "lunar landstar winterising instructions" and it came up with a downloadable user manual, 108 pages, from Lunar which has diagrams for plumbing, wiring and most other needs. If you haven't got a manual might be worth looking at. Edit by Mod to add link https://www.lunarcaravans.com/uploads/docs/handbooks/Landstar-2017-Hbk.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 hours ago, Tony323 said: Thankyou all for your input and yes now thanks to you all found and done drain down, as you all said. appreciated. in panic i did order the Antifreeze non poisiness for drinking water pipes, which arrives tommorow. so 50-50 whether to put it in then flush out in spring, Marine company say it quite safe and boats use, what are all your thoughts, is this the modern way ??? as i have not heard till now, or is it the British way of just poo pooing it ?? i dont know. Brand is Blue Gee (Talamex, i think its (American) I notice that, last November, when you enquired about winterising the Hobby Toskana motorhome you then owned, you mentioned using antifreeze. https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/topic/63596-hobby-toskana-winterization-in-the-uk/ As you won't be using a FLOE system to 'pressure drain' your Lunar motorhome and you've bought Talamex potable antifreeze (example advert below), it seems to me that you might as well make use of the antifreeze if you are sure you won't need to use your Lunar's water system for a long period. https://www.brianwards.co.uk/product/talamex-pink-anti-freeze-5ltr/ As I said earlier, use of potable antifreeze is commonplace for marine applications and is popular with USA RV owners where the vehicle's water-system is complex. It's use is much less common in the UK motorhome-owning community, but it's not a new thing as this 2011 forum thread shows. https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/topic/23590-potable-anti-freeze/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 19 hours ago, Keithl said: Because, as Derek posted above, Lunar Caravans went into voluntary liquidation in 2021 Why, so they did - so contacting Lunar technical, as I also suggested, won't help! Thanks Derek (the first line of whose 15/1 post above I'd missed) and Keith, for the correction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hi Brian The owners manual is available and I am sure the Lunar Owners Club would be willing to assist the OP Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 In Tony's 1st and 2nd postings he said " handbook is useless" - so he plainly has a handbook for his Lunar motorhome. As was advised earlier a 2017 Lunar Landstar handbook is available on-line https://www.lunarcaravans.com/uploads/docs/handbooks/Landstar-2017-Hbk.pdf This seems to be a fairly reasonable and informative effort by Lunar (I've seen far worse) and - based on a comment in that handbook - a wallet containing manufacturer's operating instruction leaflets for a Landstar's major equipments (heater, fridge etc.) would also have been provided when the motorhome was new. Such leaflet's may well not be passed on when a motorhome changes hands, but they can usually be found on-line. The Lunar Owners Club costs £20 to join and seems to be aimed primarily at social events. For 'technical' enquiries, the Club's website suggests using this Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/lunarcaravanownerstechnicalsupportgroup though this seems to be for owners of caravans rather than motorhomes. Logically, the Lunar Motorhome Owners Facebook group should be the first port of call for practical owner-feedback. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1497340480538206/ (Nothing significant Lunar Landstar-related stands out on the MHFun or MHFacts forums.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Hi Well it's far from "useless" as the diagram I quoted on page 8-1 should help . Yes their facebook page or Lunar Owners Club should be assistance to the OP I am sure if contacted be it advice on this quite simple straightforward maintenance operation. Regards Edited January 17 by onecal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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