Rayjsj Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I have just read the article by Andy Stotheart's daughter in this months MMM, its all about Ken Livingstone's new LEZ (london emission zone),and very good it is too ! It brings up some intresting questions about dates that Motorhomes are registered 'new', which brand of 'Euro' their engine is (something that didn't bother me,but probably will in the future) and how it's going to effect US. It's no good just saying 'doesn't affect me,why should I bother' because it WILL affect ALL of us one day. It will affect anyone who lives in London (anywhere inside the M25) AND who owns a 4 year old Motohome in just 2 years. Effectively forcing them to sell it (probably at a 'Tainted' low price. And if it works (makes money) then expect it to 'roll out' to a Town near you soon. SO which Euro is YOUR engine. Read the article ! >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigal55 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Rayjsj - 2007-08-20 9:32 PM I have just read the article by Andy Stotheart's daughter in this months MMM, its all about Ken Livingstone's new LEZ (london emission zone),and very good it is too ! It brings up some intresting questions about dates that Motorhomes are registered 'new', which brand of 'Euro' their engine is (something that didn't bother me,but probably will in the future) and how it's going to effect US. It's no good just saying 'doesn't affect me,why should I bother' because it WILL affect ALL of us one day. It will affect anyone who lives in London (anywhere inside the M25) AND who owns a 4 year old Motohome in just 2 years. Effectively forcing them to sell it (probably at a 'Tainted' low price. And if it works (makes money) then expect it to 'roll out' to a Town near you soon. SO which Euro is YOUR engine. Read the article ! >:-)i agree if it works in london, will it become the euro standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 It already is, it's an EU directive!! It's just that Red Ken has jumped in with both feet and a punitive rate whereas other European cities, such as the German ones, they call it the 'Umwelt' (? spelling) charge are more acceptable in terms of €10 per day! Bas P.S. There has already been lots of discussion on this forum see the threads London LEZ for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Rayjsj - 2007-08-20 9:32 PM ..... who owns a 4 year old Motohome in just 2 years. Effectively forcing them to sell it (probably at a 'Tainted' low price. >:-) I've said it before, I'll say it again ..... This, in my book, is creating obsolence - and how is that going to help global warming (?) Arghhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagey Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 hi could not agree more as i said in another post i only saw a few m/homes in london in a week why include them at all ,does he expect a sudden influx to invade and want to park up in hyde park, now theres a thought..pagey ps did you have to start me off again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enodreven Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hi, Basil I think you spoke sometime ago about the possibility of having a special exhaust fitted that would alter the Euro spec, if I am correct did you find any more about the possibility as my Ducato 2.8 JTD is Euro III and its OK until 2012 according to the LEZ web site, but I could be interested if it were possible to upgrade to Euro IV Brian Basil - 2007-08-21 1:04 PM It already is, it's an EU directive!! It's just that Red Ken has jumped in with both feet and a punitive rate whereas other European cities, such as the German ones, they call it the 'Umwelt' (? spelling) charge are more acceptable in terms of €10 per day! Bas P.S. There has already been lots of discussion on this forum see the threads London LEZ for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hi enodreven, The following is one of two approved converters see http://www.astra-vt.com/ and look under Low Emmision Zone products, it list approved installers etc. However I am not sure of costs as yet though it is rumoured to be in the thousands of pounds which I find staggering for a change of exhaust. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hi enodreven and all interested, I have found there is a further (3rd) approved manufacturer called GAT Eurocat which is German and they list prices on their website. If I understand correctly (and they are not just standard replacements), as I don't converse in German for a 2.5 Boxer modified exhaust it appears to cost €790 (approx £500), still hefty but that is a much more acceptable price than the thousands that had been spoken of, equivelent to 5days Ken Tax. All we have to do, for those that need it, is find out who installs them over here and how much 'Rip Off Britain' will up the cost! See http://www.gat-kat.com/haupt.aspx?select=view_page&mid=76&kid=76&hmid=0&purl=gergelterkat.htm http://www.gat-kat.com/Images/pdf/Katalog_EuroFilter_271006.pdf http://www.gat-kat.com/haupt.aspx?select=view_page&mid=107&kid=107&hmid=0&purl=london_initiative.htm Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hi All, After reading the site further it also appears that the German Federal Government are allowing tax breaks for people to fit the modifying equipment (if I understand correctly). Now that shows a realistic 'carrot' commitment as against Ken's 'stick'. Just goes to show the difference in various Government thinking!! >:-( >:-( >:-( Anyone interested see http://www.gat-kat.com/haupt.aspx?select=view_page&mid=104&kid=104&hmid=0&purl=presse.htm Bas P.S. Someone now convince me we aren't getting 'Ripped Off' all round in this increasingly rotten country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Sorry just found this as well! Is anybody going to a coach and bus show at the NEC as they are exhibiting there and they have offered to speak to anyone attending about their products. It is listed on their site as The Coach and Bus Live Show NEC Birmingham 10. + 11. October 2007 Stand J80 Not sure if its a trade show or what, but anyone who might be going could find out better information perhaps! Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enodreven Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hi, Basil Thanks for the information, if I am around in October I may try and get to the show ?? I have also emailed the UK centre asking for information and a price for converting my Fiat 2.8 JTD from Euro III to a Euro IV I will let you know if get a reply On another web based site I belong to a chap is talking about getting his diesel being converted to LPG I wonder if this would have any affect on the Euro emissions ratings and if it does would it be economical ?? Thanks again Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 enodreven - 2007-08-23 9:05 AM On another web based site I belong to a chap is talking about getting his diesel being converted to LPG I wonder if this would have any affect on the Euro emissions ratings and if it does would it be economical ?? Thanks again Brian Hi enodreven, My understanding is that you cannot effectively totally convert a diesel engine to LPG, I stand to be corrected if this has moved on now, there always has to be a high diesel element to the fuel and the LPG is only a small proportion. So this would at best only improve the emmisions marginally. Also if you read TfL site there are only the three approved convertors that will allow you to be excluded from the Tax. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enodreven Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hi, Basil It would seem that that route would have perhaps more problems than the modified exhaust. Do you think a email to Ken asking for him to help pay for the possible conversions would work ?? Brian Basil - 2007-08-23 9:50 AM enodreven - 2007-08-23 9:05 AM On another web based site I belong to a chap is talking about getting his diesel being converted to LPG I wonder if this would have any affect on the Euro emissions ratings and if it does would it be economical ?? Thanks again Brian Hi enodreven, My understanding is that you cannot effectively totally convert a diesel engine to LPG, I stand to be corrected if this has moved on now, there always has to be a high diesel element to the fuel and the LPG is only a small proportion. So this would at best only improve the emmisions marginally. Also if you read TfL site there are only the three approved convertors that will allow you to be excluded from the Tax. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 enodreven - 2007-08-23 9:57 AM Do you think a email to Ken asking for him to help pay for the possible conversions would work ?? Brian That is in effect what the German government are in part doing, can't for the life of me understand why Ken wouldn't be so obligeing and help the same!!! 8-) 8-) 8-) However we are so well treated over here, I suppose we shouldn't be to greedy, it may stop them paying to keep some phsyco teacher killing ar@@@@@@e in the manner to which he has become accustomed!! No wonder the emigration is at its highest since the 90's and most of us preffer to holiday abroad. Bas Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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