Ducato 2.8 jtd intermittent stalling

[Timmo englishman]

my 2005 Fiat Ducato 2.8 ltr jtd ( 244) stalls without a warning!

It starts up straightaway....Whats going on?

I'm using a forum for the first time so bare with me. Thanks.

Sometimes it has a pinking sound just before it cuts out!

Checked tank pump, filter and connections ....all ok!

[Keithl]

Have you had the ECM scanned for codes? If not maybe it's time to do so to see if they give you any clues?

[onecal]

Fuel !

[Alanb]

Check for water in fuel filter.

If no water in filter, then crankshaft (rpm) sensor may be faulty.

Alan

[onecal]

Hi

What are your error codes?

Regards

[Timmo englishman]

14 hours ago, Keithl said:

Have you had the ECM scanned for codes? If not maybe it's time to do so to see if they give you any clues?

10 hours ago, onecal said:

Hi

What are your error codes?

Regards

thanks for  the reply , i have had a scan and it came up with nothing

[Derek Uzzell]

A GOOGLE search on Ducato X244 stalling might be worthwhile, as the problem does not seem that unusual.

[Mickt]

2 hours ago, Timmo englishman said:

thanks for  the reply , i have had a scan and it came up with nothing

Get the diesel filter changed

[lancepar]

Has it been fitted with an afternarket Tuning box of any kind?

Try cleaning the box wiring plug in terminals.

Had similar fault on our 2.8jtd 244.

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[Alanb]

5 hours ago, Derek Uzzell said:

A GOOGLE search on Ducato X244 stalling might be worthwhile, as the problem does not seem that unusual.

With respect, that should be a search for Ducato 2.8jtd stalling, as three different engines were fitted to the Ducato x244 model.

Alan

[Alanb]

6 hours ago, Timmo englishman said:

thanks for  the reply , i have had a scan and it came up with nothing

The crankshaft sensor can give problems, without initiating fault codes.

Alan

[onecal]

Hi

None at all? What scan tool did you use?

Example of an error code  P0340 

I am along with Alan on this , to check  the crankshaft sensor I would also check the wiring to same along with the connections on the ECU for water damage

Common fault with 2005 2.8 is fueling issues 

This you need to have checked by a professional 

Regards

Edited November 23 by onecal

[Derek Uzzell]

1 hour ago, Alanb said:

With respect, that should be a search for Ducato 2.8jtd stalling, as three different engines were fitted to the Ducato x244 model.

Alan

I was well aware that the 2.8litre motor was not the only power-plant fitted to Ducato X244 models, but I preferred the more broad-brush "X244" to "2.8jtd" and GOOGLE will retrieve much the same set of entries whichever search-term is used.

[onecal]

7 hours ago, Timmo englishman said:

thanks for  the reply , i have had a scan and it came up with nothing

 

21 minutes ago, onecal said:

Hi

None at all? What scan tool did you use?

Example of an error code  P0340 

I am along with Alan on this , to check  the crankshaft sensor I would also check the wiring to same along with the connections on the ECU for water damage

Common fault with 2005 2.8 is fueling issues 

This you need to have checked by a professional 

Regards

We await your reply

Regards

[Mickt]

I had a similar problem with my 2003 2.8jtd, when scanned it said boost sensor when changed no different. Fitter changed diesel filter all was good

[onecal]

Hi 

Yes that can happen 

We have found many many times to be a fuel issue (but without actually testing ,(it's always only guessing) 

Can also be electrical issues as Alanb has pointed out and these should be checked first along with a full fuel system check.  Paying attention to the pressure reg'  Professional help needed here.

I have also come across poor fuel (some with petrol mix) causing issues like described also

Sorry without actually testing , it's only guessing 

We again wait for the author to get back to us 

Regards

[Timmo englishman]

Thanks all of you for answering.

The warning light goes out as soon as i restart.

At the moment i,m changing the cam sensor and the crankshaft sensor !

[onecal]

Hi

How did you establish they were faulty?

Regards

[Alanb]

1 hour ago, Timmo englishman said:

Thanks all of you for answering.

The warning light goes out as soon as i restart.

At the moment i,m changing the cam sensor and the crankshaft sensor !

Do take heed.  On the 2.8jtd, the camshaft sensor is only used when starting, to determine which stroke the engine is on.

Hence there is no way that the camshaft sensor would cause the engine to stall.

Alan

[Alanb]

35 minutes ago, onecal said:

Hi

How did you establish they were faulty?

Regards

A faulty cam sensor can cause intermittent starting problems.

The 2.8jtd uses only the crank sensor once started and stroke is established.  The crank sensor has been reported to cause problems without causing any fault codes to be initiated.

Edited November 24 by Alanb
Double attachment of image.

[onecal]

Hi

Well done Alan ,  We test the cam sensor with an oscilloscope and indeed does sometimes bring up a fault code P0340 on many vehicles

Yes I want to see how the Author came to his conclusion to change both and what diagnostic equipment he may have used or not used 

This may be helpful to others reading this that may have issues as of that of the Author

Hopefully he is not just firing parts at it without carrying out a proper diagnostic procedure  That can be a very costly mistake for anyone to make ,just going on YouTube advice or on  guessing from different forums alone

What may cause an issue on one vehicle may not be the same on yours . Sometimes yes it may lead you down the right route and sometime may lead you up the garden path , with maybe costly consequences 

So we wait for a reply from the Author as to his issue regarding pinking sound just before it cuts out 

Regards

On 22/11/2024 at 16:24, Timmo englishman said:

my 2005 Fiat Ducato 2.8 ltr jtd ( 244) stalls without a warning!

It starts up straightaway....Whats going on?

I'm using a forum for the first time so bare with me. Thanks.

Sometimes it has a pinking sound just before it cuts out!

Checked tank pump, filter and connections ....all ok!

 

Edited November 24 by onecal

[Labby]

2 hours ago, Timmo englishman said:

Thanks all of you for answering.

The warning light goes out as soon as i restart.

At the moment i,m changing the cam sensor and the crankshaft sensor !

Which warning light ?

[Timmo englishman]

Hi all

thanks for the advice.I have had this problem for weeks now and have had the bus seen by two different garages,to no avail.

The red engine light comes on when the engine stalls but goes out immediatly after restarting.

[arthur49]

2 hours ago, onecal said:

..........  Hopefully he is not just firing parts at it without carrying out a proper diagnostic procedure  That can be a very costly mistake for anyone to make ,just going on YouTube advice or on  guessing from different forums alone

Agree 100% with this. 

I had/have an issue with "check brake wear" warning coming up.  Two different garages, at different times, simply threw new pads at it, which appeared to fix the issue for a month or so, but the warning is back!

This time its going to a garage I totally trust having had experience of their diagnosis of a faulty nox sensor - there are 3 nox sensors apparently so they tested each and the associated wiring before just bunging new parts at it.  Its been perfect since.

[Robinhood]

It's very unlikely to be the cause of the issue, but given my past experience I didn't want to remain silent, and it is at least worth checking.

The 2.8jtd of that vintage had a common issue with the injector wiring loom, in that the wiring from the factory was too short and tight (especially to the furthest injector, number 1 or 4, whichever).

It could cause intermittent faults, noticeable as a "misfire", illuminate the EML, and come and go. I doubt the effect would be enough to cause a stall, but in extreme circumstances who knows?

Temporary relief could be obtained by "jiggling" the injector wiring (I believe the stress caused a breakdown). Permanent solution was to fit a new wiring loom, or more cheaply and conveniently slice a single injector repair kit that was generally available back in the day.

(My 2005 Ducato was done under warranty).