Grumpyman Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Why does MMM pay thirty pounds to readers for camp sites that are published in the two club site books. Surely the idea is to find sites not so well known . Most motorhome owners belong to one club or the other or am I missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Yeah! £30. Get sending in them sites. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hi David- surely the point you are missing is the fact that a motorcaravaner is giving their opinon on the site ,on how they found the facilities and its local attractions ect, with photos of the site and pitches and anything else they think may be of interest to people who have not been to it. Lets face it, any club site book is going to say wonderful things about their site, a visitor can state truthfully how they found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 There is [imo] much too much reliance on the club sites in these reports. The club sites are pretty much standardised anyway - even the loo blocks have near identical lay outs. "Most motorhome owners belong to one club or the other or am I missing something." *-) *-) and if you're not a member MMM is recruiting for the clubs - perhaps they get an introductory bonus for new members *-) *-) B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 We have only once ever used a site which appeared as an MMM readers site, namely 'Sam-Nord' @ Saltzburg. Whilst the article is always read by us it is merely one person view and I prefer to judge on my own views which is why I have never 'put up' a site to MMM. As a matter of interest we tend only to use the Caravan Club continental sites guide to locate us a site, some of which have been very good and others have 'left a good deal to be desired!'But if you do not like the site you can always go elsewhere!! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 For those who feel there are too many club sites being reviewed the answer is simple, start sending in your own reviews of non club sites and bag £30 for each one. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred grant Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 showz ow menny of you moaners actualy read MMM. it's bin forty pounds for a site for as long as i can remember. dave got it right, if you wants to get other sites send them in and stop moanin tis nearly chrismus and tis about time forum memebers cheerd up our elddis is fired up this weekend and us is going to enjoy sum of the sites usve sin in MMM must remind alice to fill up a flagon of cider fuminfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I did - back in the days when it was £20, 3 never got published and 1 was done by someone else. Lots of club sites though!! of course, find a nice little site somewhere - advertise it - and you can't get in anymore. :-> >:-) >:-) I've gone off recommending things - I now have to ring up at 7am to book into local Pilates class - what a killer - that'll teach me to tell people how good something is :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred grant Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 suit yerself twooks - once selfish always selfish fred says. Us as no problem helping our fellow motorhomers, weather its recommending stopovers or stopping on the rioad to lend a hand. its attititude like twooks who gets everybody a bad name never minfd us vanners. its a sad day when someone can stoop so low on this forum alice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livewire Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Grumpyman - 2007-11-28 9:37 PM Why does MMM pay thirty pounds to readers for camp sites that are published in the two club site books. Surely the idea is to find sites not so well known . Most motorhome owners belong to one club or the other or am I missing something. This comes up on other forums. A common view is often that MMM has poor content and editorial control. The £30 sites are the the 'safe' input from an often elderly and conservative section of the readership who's idea of adventure is using a CL without a hook-up. So why not submit your own entries? Well personally I do not have the inclination. After all, if you spend £4 on a magazine, you do not expect to have to write part of it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 But if you did submit a site review you would get £40 back which would pay for most of your year's subscription to MMM as well as starting to redress the balance between club and non club site reviews. Perhaps its time to stop bitching about percieved problems and start doing something aboutr them. :-D D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Dave Newell - 2007-12-01 8:17 AM Perhaps its time to stop bitching about percieved problems and start doing something aboutr them. :-D D. Well said Dave. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 twooks - 2007-11-29 4:32 PM I've gone off recommending things - I now have to ring up at 7am to book into local Pilates class - what a killer - that'll teach me to tell people how good something is :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> B-) So what kind of plane are you learning to fly then? Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 'as it 'appens - 'tis a dutch one - and excellent too B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Purely out of interest (and I was bored) I looked at the current issue of MMM to see what sites were reviewed, one C&CC, one CC, one UK independent and two foreign sites. That seems a fair cross section to me. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel E Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Dave, I'm with you all the way here. If Livewire were right that the editorial content of MMM is generally regarded as so poor and lacking control, why is it consistently the number one motorhome magazine, despite the huge investment PM has put into trying to build circulation. Incidentally, it may lack lots of things, but editorial control certainly isn't one of them, since the joint editors approve all the content. Mel E ==== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Syd Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I am a caravan man myself and stumbled across MMM a couple of years ago at xmas time when bored. I have found the content admirable and covers some really interesting topics, great magazine and I'm really pleased that I found it when I did. Just a shame about the forum though ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred grant Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 us agrees with sid. although me an alice pertakes in the forum and lets face it me ansums learns lots of stuff us cant wait to curl up in front of the stove with the real magazine. no matter which way us looks at it (upside down, inside out etc) it still is tops and us wont do without it. f&a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Le Thou Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 fred grant - 2007-12-07 7:55 PM us agrees with sid. although me an alice pertakes in the forum and lets face it me ansums learns lots of stuff us cant wait to curl up in front of the stove with the real magazine. no matter which way us looks at it (upside down, inside out etc) it still is tops and us wont do without it. f&a Slightly off topic Fred and Alice but I was born in Truro and lived at Perranporth till I was a late teen so what's with the daft spelling?? me bird?? So how long have you lived in Par and are you a true Corn?? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Mel E - 2007-12-04 10:49 AM Incidentally, it may lack lots of things, but editorial control certainly isn't one of them, since the joint editors approve all the content. Mel E ==== That may or may not be so, but from personal experience when things are pointed out as in error (and they accept they are) they still refuse to do anything about it. Now that really is 'tight' control, not addmiting they are wrong! Problem is it devalues ALL the other information in the mag as you cannot say for sure whether or not it is accurate. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 I like the MMM mag, no other comes close to the content, quality etc. However, I have noticed of late a number of spelling errors and 'additional' superflous words creeping into the articles. Takes me back to when I had a copy of another motorhome magazine where I simply couldn't read it for all the errors it contained, thankfully MMM is no where near this level and is still a great mag, long may it continue ... especially since it gives Clive summut to do, replying to query letters when George C lets him! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Off topic, I suppose, but the motorhome reviews do seem to have gone a bit "glossy". I've also been a bit surprised to see concurrent reviews of other vans in other mags by the same reviewers, and somehow they are always just the van the reviewer was dreaming of owning. Seems odd when some are large A class vans, and others panel van conversions. They can't all be a given writer's favourite thing, surely?I've no problem with finding the virtues of each van, and there would be no point in dissing a particular van because it was large, or small. However, there is something just that bit too breathlessly in awe of each and every one, spangled with a bit too much macho motoring journalese such as "grunt", for my preferences. It's all a bit too formulaic: not the approach, but the actual commentary. A bit too much of a get this one off, then on with the next.Somehow, objectivity seems to have taken a back seat behind a welter of subjectivity. And why, oh why, do they spend so much time describing in words the furnishings and their colour, when the articles are supported by colour photographs that tell the story so much better? It would be more helpful and reassuring much of the time if they'd actually say if alternatives were available, but no.It seems a number of the reviewers are more motorhome journalists, than motorhomers who also write. They don't seem really to have analysed the vehicles, or to think themselves into the place of those who might use them, or how. There seems little recognition of the fact that a small panel van conversion is likely to be used in a completely different way to a 7+ metre A class van. Little readiness to look at one as predominantly a weekends and annual hols van, with the other more likely to become someone's home for several months on end and needing a substantial payload in consequence. Not all, mind, and no names.I know they can only provide a brief snapshot of what is offered, but I do sometimes wonder how much actual travelling they really do themselves. Trouble is, of necessity they're all still working, and this is how they earn their crust. What we seem to need is a few reviewers, or maybe editors, who do/have done the longer term trips, can judge from that standpoint, and inject that bit of extra insight. Or have I just read too many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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