fuel protest

[sooty10]

Just heard of a fuel protest being organized for later in the week. Bring it on as I think we are being ripped off at the moment. Think we all know about oil being paid for in US $ and nothing is ever said about the great exchange rate at this time should this not make fuel cheaper?. Not to mention the tax we all pay.

 

For more information look at www.petrolprices.com and don't forget to have your say.

 

[Usinmyknaus]

I paid 110p a litre for diesel last week and of course 71.5p of that went to Brown's fiscal puppet Darling, who's government machinery will, I expect, waste more than half of it, through inefficiency, waste and fraud.

 

Bob >:-)

[panagah]

sooty10 - 2007-12-10 12:03 PM

 

Just heard of a fuel protest being organized for later in the week. Bring it on as I think we are being ripped off at the moment. Think we all know about oil being paid for in US $ and nothing is ever said about the great exchange rate at this time should this not make fuel cheaper?. Not to mention the tax we all pay.

 

For more information look at www.petrolprices.com and don't forget to have your say.

 

 

Well just how far are you prepared to go with this then?

A ruined xmas? a missed holiday? severe food shortages? or even worse still?

 

The problem with this country is it has no Gut's. The min that little daisy in her Chelsea tank can not get to school on time all support will be lost. The media controls this country more than this tin pot lot in charge.

 

Fact - when Fuel prices increase the Gov get more money, this money is never calculated in the coming financial year as it is a bonus and nothing more.

 

Fact -as already stated - the cost of oil against a falling $ makes fuel cheaper to buy.

 

Fact- diesel is cheaper to produce than petrol, so why does it cost more at the pump? Never used to but does now.

 

Fact- the cost of fuel increases the cost of the product on our shop floor. Therefore increasing inflation, something that this gov is meant to be keeping under control.

 

BUT MOST OF ALL-----

Where is the money going? new road improvements? New hospitals, schools, more police, nurses etc? That is what we were told last time. There has been no improvement. The money this gov spends is always in the wrong place and swallowed up by burocracy before it even makes the shop floor. We have carers being paid a pittance to look after there loved ones that have worked all their lives. We have people forced to sell there houses just to pay there care in later life, all there life savings gone. We have poor disadvantaged inteligent minds unable to pay for university. We have a pathetic pay rise for our public sector right accross the board.

 

However if you live in Scotland, care is free, uni fees are free,public sector woekers secured a full 1% pay rise more than there English and Welsh counterparts. How thats what I want answering?

 

so back to the original part- where is the money going on one of the most expensive fuels in Europe (not checked the world) On top of all the other tax you ripp me off for? So those as last timethat thought the money was being well spent YOURE WRONG.

 

And for those others that say your coming on behind the protesters? make sure you are there for the long run, don't believe the media when the y interview selected members of the public.

 

Me I will walk to work despite how cold it is, if it gets rid of this appaling excuse for a prime minister and Looney GOV.

 

 

Wow sorry for the rant I Just could not resist.

Paul

 

 

 

[warrior]

well lets see who would be organizing the fuel protests.No1/farmers,who pay no vat on their fuel ,who cart their animals from one end of the country to the other in the hope they will pick up an infection and in doing so get yet more subsidy.No2/road hauliers,who bunker their fuel and in doing so get it cheaper(my company at present is paying 90p a litre)oh yes by the way i am a lorry driver,which brings me to No3/lorry drivers,those protesting will be non union,who would sleep in a hedgebottom for 50p an hour extra,who are the biggest scabs on earth re miners strike/steel strike/or any other strike where they could stab someone in the back.in short it will be supported by the biggest set of scroungers,welfare handout grabbers,theives,backstabbers,and snake oil salesman ever seen.

support it,not a prayer.

[livewire]

Not everyone is concerned about the cost of fuel. I drive a 50mpg car or a 90mpg scooter. I live in a rural area but commute 4 miles. My only fuel extravagance is the motorhome (30mpg).

 

I live by a main road and see mothers taking children to school who should be walking. I see the road chocka on Sunday because people are desparate to go shopping. At commute times all the cars have a single occupant.

 

If you beleive that CO2 emmissions and climate change is important and that oil is a finite resource and it's comsuption should be limited, then price is an effective way of doing this. Most people have a choice, they do not have to work 30 miles from home, send chldren to a school that is not the nearest, etc etc.

 

 

I am not saying this to be contraversial but i genuinely think if you could halve the traffic buy raising fuel to £2 a litre, then bring it on.

[GJH]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the tax system (of which fuel tax is just a part), the thought struck me that the organisers of Transaction 2000/2007 have been elected by nobody.

 

Who do they think they are? Why should they or any other self interest group impose their will on everyone just because they have the means to set up as bully boys?

 

A protest by a Prat Set IMHO.

 

Graham

[panagah]

warrior - 2007-12-10 5:01 PM

 

well lets see who would be organizing the fuel protests.No1/farmers,who pay no vat on their fuel ,who cart their animals from one end of the country to the other in the hope they will pick up an infection and in doing so get yet more subsidy.No2/road hauliers,who bunker their fuel and in doing so get it cheaper(my company at present is paying 90p a litre)oh yes by the way i am a lorry driver,which brings me to No3/lorry drivers,those protesting will be non union,who would sleep in a hedgebottom for 50p an hour extra,who are the biggest scabs on earth re miners strike/steel strike/or any other strike where they could stab someone in the back.in short it will be supported by the biggest set of scroungers,welfare handout grabbers,theives,backstabbers,and snake oil salesman ever seen.

support it,not a prayer.

 

 

So exactly which one of these do I fit in then?

I get nothing that I don't work for, I am no miner or alike, so less of the scrounger, and in my life have never ever taken a handout,, even paying my own way through UNI whilst haveing two babies and taking three jobs. Never stole a thing, and never sold oil.

 

 

As for the next poster whom would be happy paying £2 per litre as her universal way of getting traffic down. Your so wrong. As k yourself this why is it that people take there kids to school in cars. Two things one is lack of public transport, coupled with the dangerous nature that we now live in thanks to the lack of decent bobbys and respect for such. And answer me this, we are not living in the 60s any more or indeed the 70s, people move to find work, people have lost their jobs and had to drive 30 miles to work. and besides that's well and good 2£ per litre, i already drive the 4+ miles to work in the most economical vechile on the market. sometimes I walk, would I go on the bus? no there is no bus service. thats right no bus service to get me to work on time at a large hospital.

 

your deluded, if this is a complete Motorhome attitude, I am all right so balls to the rest of you's. I feel very sorry for us. I am not looking through the countrywith tinted specs I am working in it, because thats what I do. My job involves me working with all the public services. In and with some very deprived areas.

 

Most of this country is living in massive debt, borrowing on a dream, and the continued increase in housing ect makes it no easier. I am extrememly priviliged, and I know so. Some obviously don't, all I wish on you is that you don't have to deal with what I have to see everyday. Carers caring on benefitsor no money at all, all because this inept Govenment.

 

Wheres me fuel tax money you promised me Gordon?

 

And good luck to those that have the braun and brains to stand up against it, WHATEVER THEY ARE AND WHATEVEVER there reasons

[Mike B.]

I believe about £13million per annum goes to support the government in Sudan-They launched a protest there recently but don't think it was about Fuel Prices. The thing that really irritates me is that not only the duty increases etc etc but also with every increase for whatever reason Old Gordon pockets an extra 17.5% vat on the increase as well.

What we should introduce is a road tax for anybody coming into this country from abroad and spend that on our roads to improve them-say all foreign registered cars/vans etc £10 and wagons £50 for a maximum stay of 14 days duration then pay again etc. You never know perhaps our socialist government could subsidise fuel prices with it!!

[donna miller]

warrior - 2007-12-10 5:01 PM

 

well lets see who would be organizing the fuel protests.No1/farmers,who pay no vat on their fuel ,who cart their animals from one end of the country to the other in the hope they will pick up an infection and in doing so get yet more subsidy.No2/road hauliers,who bunker their fuel and in doing so get it cheaper(my company at present is paying 90p a litre)oh yes by the way i am a lorry driver,which brings me to No3/lorry drivers,those protesting will be non union,who would sleep in a hedgebottom for 50p an hour extra,who are the biggest scabs on earth re miners strike/steel strike/or any other strike where they could stab someone in the back.in short it will be supported by the biggest set of scroungers,welfare handout grabbers,theives,backstabbers,and snake oil salesman ever seen.

support it,not a prayer.

 

What planet are you on pal, your second post and you come out calling all sorts of people ,all sorts of names. If as you say you are a lorry driver, you will know that the majority of drivers who have to sleep in a hedge bottom as you put it, do so because their bosses refuse to pay decent night out allowances, they are not the ones who will be on the protest lines. Unions went out with the flared trousers and rightly so, so why should a self employed driver support somebody with an attitude like yours.

The drivers that will be protesting are like me, the self employed, hard working, one (wo)man company, these are the ones doing the protesting and losing income, while you sit whingeing about events 23 years ago, but in all reality what have the coal strikes got to do with it, how long did the miners expect public support when they started destroying the livelihoods of the very people who were donating to their "fighting funds".But that's a different story for a different day.

 

So you wont be supporting the fuel protest, but you're happy for others to do it for you. And you'll no doubt be bragging to your mates that you done your bit, where in reality your bosses have told you you are not allowed to take part in any protest, who's the scab now.

 

[GJH]

Mike B. - 2007-12-10 9:51 PM

What we should introduce is a road tax for anybody coming into this country from abroad and spend that on our roads to improve them-say all foreign registered cars/vans etc £10 and wagons £50 for a maximum stay of 14 days duration then pay again etc. You never know perhaps our socialist government could subsidise fuel prices with it!!

Interesting thought - might just catch on for people taking their vans to the continent as well :-D. That way people may be encouraged to stay in the UK and spend their money here. The increased spend on fuel might allow a reduction in fuel tax 8-)

 

Graham

[panagah]

GJH - 2007-12-10 5:49 PM

 

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the tax system (of which fuel tax is just a part), the thought struck me that the organisers of Transaction 2000/2007 have been elected by nobody.

 

Who do they think they are? Why should they or any other self interest group impose their will on everyone just because they have the means to set up as bully boys?

 

A protest by a Prat Set IMHO.

 

Graham

 

 

I ll tel l you who they are Graham. they are the hard working people of this country that believe they have a right ot be treated fairly. They are the very people that this GOV stated it would consult before raising tax on fuel. They are th every peole that have seen there profits plummett and buisness go to the wall because of escalating fuel costs.

Remember if you got it a truck brought it. so bully boys they may be, but people whom most of all just want to earn an honest days living for an honest days work and therefore deserve and will get my support. Not for me I am comfortable and fortunate, but in true fashion of the way things have fallen apart I have respect for my fellow working man.

 

And on a further note, the time for nice politicaly correct talky talky for these guys has gone. They are Forced in to direct action by an over zealous unsympathetic GOV. Trust me no one is safe when MR B wants some more money.

[panagah]

GJH - 2007-12-10 10:50 PM

 

Mike B. - 2007-12-10 9:51 PM

What we should introduce is a road tax for anybody coming into this country from abroad and spend that on our roads to improve them-say all foreign registered cars/vans etc £10 and wagons £50 for a maximum stay of 14 days duration then pay again etc. You never know perhaps our socialist government could subsidise fuel prices with it!!

Interesting thought - might just catch on for people taking their vans to the continent as well :-D. That way people may be encouraged to stay in the UK and spend their money here. The increased spend on fuel might allow a reduction in fuel tax 8-)

 

Graham

 

unfortunately you are looking at one of the most expensive european countries to visit other than Sweden. There are many Americans/ other nationals that are giving the UK a miss simply because of how expensive it is. They are choosing other destinations like Prague and so forth (there is evidence on this fact) therefore by charging them even more to come in to this country will turn even more not to come in.

[GJH]

panagah - 2007-12-10 11:04 PM

 

I ll tel l you who they are Graham. they are the hard working people of this country that believe they have a right ot be treated fairly. They are the very people that this GOV stated it would consult before raising tax on fuel. They are th every peole that have seen there profits plummett and buisness go to the wall because of escalating fuel costs.

They may be hard working but they are not the only ones. By their lights anyone can take action which adversely affects other sections of the community so long as they have the muscle to do it - and that's where they go wrong.

 

Democratic elections may not bring us the governments we want but it's better than groups like Transaction 2007 springing up and just following their own agendas.

 

Graham

 

[GJH]

panagah - 2007-12-10 11:08 PM

 

unfortunately you are looking at one of the most expensive european countries to visit other than Sweden. There are many Americans/ other nationals that are giving the UK a miss simply because of how expensive it is. They are choosing other destinations like Prague and so forth (there is evidence on this fact) therefore by charging them even more to come in to this country will turn even more not to come in.

There is certainly a small downward trend in visitors to the UK recently but not much difference from 2 years ago - see Here.

 

Graham

[malc d]

GJH - 2007-12-11 8:02 AM

 

panagah - 2007-12-10 11:08 PM

 

unfortunately you are looking at one of the most expensive european countries to visit other than Sweden. There are many Americans/ other nationals that are giving the UK a miss simply because of how expensive it is. They are choosing other destinations like Prague and so forth (there is evidence on this fact) therefore by charging them even more to come in to this country will turn even more not to come in.

There is certainly a small downward trend in visitors to the UK recently but not much difference from 2 years ago - see Here.

 

Graham

 

 

I was unable to get the link you suggested relating to visitors two years ago, but having asked a number of 'campers' on the continent over a number of years if they would visit GB many said they wouldn't consider it because it was too expensive.

So it could be that the figure two years ago was already low, and has now gone even lower.

 

 

 

 

[howie]

No wish to encourage panic buying, but for the last week or two i,ve kept both the van and the car topped up at all times.

Friends in the transport industry believe there will be action of some sort, with the Christmas period being the best time for maximum publicity and disruption.

[GJH]

malc d - 2007-12-11 9:55 AM

 

 

I was unable to get the link you suggested relating to visitors two years ago, but having asked a number of 'campers' on the continent over a number of years if they would visit GB many said they wouldn't consider it because it was too expensive.

So it could be that the figure two years ago was already low, and has now gone even lower.

 

Hello Malc,

I was going by the graph on the page linked to, which goes back two years to 2005 and appears to show overseas visits to the UK about the same (slightly higher if anything). The text actually mentions a 1% increase in the previous 12 months.

 

Graham

[GJH]

howie - 2007-12-11 1:26 PM

 

No wish to encourage panic buying, but for the last week or two i,ve kept both the van and the car topped up at all times.

Friends in the transport industry believe there will be action of some sort, with the Christmas period being the best time for maximum publicity and disruption.

This is the potential problem which concerns me. What right have a small number of people to cause the sort of mass disruption they did a few years ago just to further their own interests?

 

Graham

[panagah]

GJH - 2007-12-11 1:52 PM

 

howie - 2007-12-11 1:26 PM

 

No wish to encourage panic buying, but for the last week or two i,ve kept both the van and the car topped up at all times.

Friends in the transport industry believe there will be action of some sort, with the Christmas period being the best time for maximum publicity and disruption.

This is the potential problem which concerns me. What right have a small number of people to cause the sort of mass disruption they did a few years ago just to further their own interests?

 

Graham

 

because when you have talked and talked and not been heard you have to attempt to do something. you can not keep talking and talking whilst your livelyhood and sorts falls around beside you. When your paying under £1 a litre again I am sure you will be happy

[donna miller]

GJH - 2007-12-11 1:52 PM

 

This is the potential problem which concerns me. What right have a small number of people to cause the sort of mass disruption they did a few years ago just to further their own interests?

 

Graham

 

With all due respect Graham, it's not just for the interests of the protesters is it, if it gets a result in any way shape or form, then everyone benefits.

[livewire]

donna miller - 2007-12-11 3:51 PM

 

GJH - 2007-12-11 1:52 PM

 

This is the potential problem which concerns me. What right have a small number of people to cause the sort of mass disruption they did a few years ago just to further their own interests?

 

Graham

 

With all due respect Graham, it's not just for the interests of the protesters is it, if it gets a result in any way shape or form, then everyone benefits.

 

No everyone doesn't benefit. People who use large quantities of fuel benefit. A good proportion may whinge when asked but don't really give a stuff. Plent of people think there is too much traffic on the road, so the more expensive fuel is the better.

[malc d]

livewire - 2007-12-11 4:11 PM

 

donna miller - 2007-12-11 3:51 PM

 

GJH - 2007-12-11 1:52 PM

 

This is the potential problem which concerns me. What right have a small number of people to cause the sort of mass disruption they did a few years ago just to further their own interests?

 

Graham

 

With all due respect Graham, it's not just for the interests of the protesters is it, if it gets a result in any way shape or form, then everyone benefits.

 

No everyone doesn't benefit. People who use large quantities of fuel benefit. A good proportion may whinge when asked but don't really give a stuff. Plent of people think there is too much traffic on the road, so the more expensive fuel is the better.

 

 

 

 

 

So do you think it reasonable that only the better off should be on the road ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mick H.]

livewire - 2007-12-10 5:27 PM

 

Not everyone is concerned about the cost of fuel. I drive a 50mpg car or a 90mpg scooter. I live in a rural area but commute 4 miles. My only fuel extravagance is the motorhome (30mpg).

 

I live by a main road and see mothers taking children to school who should be walking. I see the road chocka on Sunday because people are desparate to go shopping. At commute times all the cars have a single occupant.

 

If you beleive that CO2 emmissions and climate change is important and that oil is a finite resource and it's comsuption should be limited, then price is an effective way of doing this. Most people have a choice, they do not have to work 30 miles from home, send chldren to a school that is not the nearest, etc etc.

 

 

I am not saying this to be contraversial but i genuinely think if you could halve the traffic buy raising fuel to £2 a litre, then bring it on.

 

When it's £5-00 a litre it will still be the same.If the government wants to cut down on cars make public transport so cheap that you would be daft not to use it.

 

 

Mick H.

[CliveH]

Anyone who posts on here or anywhere that fuel is not taxed enough or that a fuel protest is NOT a good idea has some kind of hidden agenda in my view.

 

There is a minority of numpties who wish to convince us that the sky is falling. These Chicken littles are the advocates of the new religion of Climate change = Catastrophe.

 

Less than 1/3 of the population believe this and an awful lot of sceptics within the scientific community are shouted down thru' bully boy tactics. The same thing happened when some idiot said that the world was round.

 

 

The point about tax on fuel is that those apologists for being human want us to give up driving and exist in a kind of utopian (in their view) mud hut society. Problem is those in the third world already have a mud hut society and wish to become more affluent.

 

We already pay over 70% tax on our fuel. This means that the young couple with a family whose main breadwinner has to commute 20 miles (about average) each way to work in a car that does 30mpg (again about average therefore pays circa £4.50 a day in extra tax to get to work. If this person earns £25K a year as most youngsters do then this fuel tax equates to a further £1530 odd a year in tax or a whopping extra 6% equivalent in income tax just to get to work!

 

For that person who does the same journey but is only earning £12,500 a year, the percentage equivalent to income tax is 12%

 

For the person earning £125,000 !!!! - the equivalent is just 1.2%

 

 

 

And you people who will not protest, who want higher taxes to drive vehicles off the road think it is fair to tax the low paid at a disproportionately high rate do you?

 

Yes of course you do!!!

 

 

That is why the numpties came up with the idea of "Ban the urban 4x4", and the £2000 a year road tax on certain vehicles.

 

Never mind the fact that most people who have a 4x4 to tow only do a few thousand miles a year whilst others in smaller cars can to 10's of thousands!

 

 

Finally as I have said before, look at France. They did away with Road Tax and put it on the price of fuel - Much fairer as those that drive more pay more. AND STILL THE PRICE OF FUEL IN FRANCE ID ABOUT 25 to 30% cheaper than here in the UK!!

 

And the Euro is not as strong as the £ against the dollar!

 

 

 

This really is Rip-Off Britain and any fuel protest will get my support.

 

[Tomo3090]

Assuming you do protest and by some amazing stroke of luck, equal to winning the lottery 2 weeks on the run, you do get a reduction in the duty on fuel, where would you propose the cuts in public spending come from to replace the revenue lost in policing the demo and loss of tax income. It ain't going to come from the pockets of the M.P's, or Minsters running the show. It will mean that more will be cut from local govt. spending, health service, defence cuts or even road repairs!

 

The arguments about government wasting our taxes has been around since William the Conquorer introduced taxes. The way to bring about change has to be through the ballot box, so why don't you fuel protesters put up some candidates and then you can explain your fiscal policies and we can see your solutions to the problems and decide to support you or not then?

 

I am no supporter of the government or its' policies by any stretch but I think your protests will hit the wrong target.