vicwo Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I have a sledge to use at xmas can all the experts advise me if an a-frame is legal? Merry Xmas rudolf reindeer (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Only if you are wearing a red suit and have a big white beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I believe the legal requirement is to fix a large red nose on the front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Remember snow chains may be required on some European roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 If you are thinking of helping out Santa, obviously to comply with the Christmas Sledge, Health and Safety (Supplemental) Regulations 2006 which came into force last Friday, the sledge will need: 3-point seat belts for all occupants side impact protection system 4 airbags roll-over bar a one metre triangular, reflective warning sign on the rear minimum public liability insurance of £50,000, 000 Criminal Record Bureau checks for all sledge occupants and helpers who must also all have a current first aid certificate. Should be a piece of cake to organise in one week! Bob :-> :-> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Usinmyknaus - 2007-12-18 11:21 AM a one metre triangular, reflective warning sign on the rear Depending on the number of reindeer involved, the sign may need to read "Long Vehicle," and some territories may insist that it be in the local language(s). Also, the sledge may need its own braking system, and its weight must not exceed the "Gross Train Weight" stamped on the reindeers' rear ends. The whole outfit may need Single Vehicle approval. BUT ... the good news is, it's probably exempt from the LEZ regulations in London, as its emissions will not be of a type which can be measured by the usual equipment. While in that area, you can save on the Congestion Charge if you keep above the level of the CCTV cameras. Have a good trip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I wouldn't bother with the A frame, I always found a piece of string was just the job for pulling a sledge back up to the top of the hill (lol) D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 But if a nasty policeman with a flashing blue light on top of his red hat stops you you may get sleighed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee1st Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 vicwo - 2007-12-18 9:44 AM I have a sledge to use at xmas can all the experts advise me if an a-frame is legal? Merry Xmas rudolf reindeer (lol) I get the impression that none of you are taking this request for knowledge seriously.... let's have some respect for vicwo's question!!! Merry Christmas all. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Lee1st - 2007-12-18 1:01 PM vicwo - 2007-12-18 9:44 AM I have a sledge to use at xmas can all the experts advise me if an a-frame is legal? Merry Xmas rudolf reindeer (lol) I get the impression that none of you are taking this request for knowledge seriously.... let's have some respect for vicwo's question!!! Merry Christmas all. (lol) Well I for one was perfectly serious in my reply, I always used a piece of string tied between the front of the two runners to pull the sledge with. ;-) D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagey Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 yes probably but see 750 earlier posts on weights etc and it will need lights preferably flashing pretty colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3526602 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hi, First things first.....are you allowed to drag something without wheels on a public road? Presumably the council would not want you to damage there new tarmac....so what difference does a bit of snow make. Legally, I mean. 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 If you park the Sentinel at the top of the hill with plenty of coal for the fire you can go up and down all day using its winch. If the hill is steep enough you won,t even need to get of the sledge, keep all four feet well inboard though. Don,t forget the riding lights (red on the left) and slide on the left when in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 present delivery I believe falls under commercial regulations so a tachograph should be fitted to sleigh. As he can only operate for 8 hrs maximum on Christmas eve/day may I suggest he starts delivery in South West London.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Santa of course must not worry about his carbon foot print or should I Say his 32 foot prints I have it on good authority he is exempt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 HUMBUG! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donna miller Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 There is a new addition to Santa's reindeer stable, he is known as Randolf the brown nosed reindeer. He can fly as fast as the rest, but cant stop as quick. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred grant Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 my ass!!!!! f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hapi_chappie Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Will it be exempt from Ken's LEZ charge, or is the final year of presents being delivered in London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 "Can i pull a sledge with an a-frame?" Dunno, depends if you've had your 3 Weetabix I suppose! If not, you could try seeing if Geoff Capes is still on the go ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 This request was from Rudolph, who clearly needs no advice on general sledge pulling, but just on whether it is legal to use an A frame while doing this in UK.I thought most answers unhelpful, and unlikely to contribute to Santa's safe and legal progress among our homes on Christmas night.The correct answer, surely, is that as Santa doesn't use the roads for his deliveries, the use of an A frame will be irrelevant, and the sledge can be pulled by any means that is kind to reindeer.Even better, is that since the sledge is not, technically, an aircraft, air traffic restrictions won't apply either.The further benefit from both the foregoing is that, being in charge of what is neither a road vehicle nor an aircraft, Santa will be completely free to imbibe as much as he wishes of the traditional hospitality we leave out for him.However, do please remind him (on behalf of the Health and Safety Executive) to be especially careful on roofs after about the fourth glass of sherry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 'Sfunny, I could havwe sworn it was Vicwo who posted the original question. I also think, sage advice notwithstanding, that we ought to not let ourselves get confused about the mode of transport in question, towhit one sledge not sleigh. As far as I can ascertain Santa uses a sleigh not a sledge. The former is usually pulled by livestock, frequently reindeer whiel the latter is usually propelled by its user. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 W3526602 - 2007-12-18 4:21 PM Hi, First things first.....are you allowed to drag something without wheels on a public road? Presumably the council would not want you to damage there new tarmac....so what difference does a bit of snow make. Legally, I mean. 602 New Tarmac? Not in Pembrokeshire me 'andsome! I suppose the nearer you get to 'Rhoddri's Club' the more likely you are to get new roads, better healthcare, good schools, etc. etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dave Newell - 2007-12-19 1:30 PM 'Sfunny, I could havwe sworn it was Vicwo who posted the original question. I also think, sage advice notwithstanding, that we ought to not let ourselves get confused about the mode of transport in question, towhit one sledge not sleigh. As far as I can ascertain Santa uses a sleigh not a sledge. The former is usually pulled by livestock, frequently reindeer whiel the latter is usually propelled by its user. D. Could be Dave, could be. However, I took "Merry Xmas rudolf reindeer" to be the actual signature, meaning that Rudolph had sneaked onto Vic's computer. Surely you all knew Vic is Santa........................didn't you? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3526602 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hi, Somewhere in case law it was decided that if a "reasonable man" would consider something not a road going vehicle, then it would not be subject to normal RTA legislation. So, for instance, a Formula One car might be driven on the road with impunity, the same would not apply to a banger racing hot-rod. Hmmmm, you might expect to see a sledge on the road in UK, but probably not a sleigh.....see previous definitions. But then again, some rag students were prosecuted for not having insurance on their motorised setee. Best leave control of the sleigh to a young lad....ie, below the age of Criminal Liability. 602 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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