michele Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Did anyone see the Jamie Oliver programme last night on channel four . I will never in my life buy a chicken that is not free range again. Ignorance is bliss they say I am so glad I am now no longer ignorant to the way we treat these animals what gives us the bloody right to treat animals like this. I always buy british anyway I believe in supporting our own farmers and admire the French for doing it . What a shame that we are not having this drummed into us as kids so when we are older we understand the workings of the world . I also look for all our fruit with no airmiles and veg too. Just disapointed at the way the packaging is on our foods not telling the consumer the real truth about it giving the customer the informed decision to make. Thats it I actually think I may become a vegitarian from now on . Some thing just born we gas it and kill it sick world who gave us the right .
Guest Le Thou Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I agree with you on that one M but don't you think that most of the time the people who are buying 2 for a fiver at Tesco's are the ones that can't afford the free range chickens becuase they cost considerably more.
CliveH Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 One of the biggest problems is that the intensive farming that occurs (or used to) in the UK was regulated. The method was still pretty bloody awful but at least there were some standards. Most of the really cheap chicken is from countries with no animal welfare legislation or standards whatsoever. We now buy meat from our local butcher who can tell you where the meat comes from. Yes it is more expensive - but NOT that much! And when you cook a chicken breast from our local butchers it stays the same shape and size and does not ooze that disgusting watery slime (rather like diluted snot) that indicates that the meat has been injected with god knows what. Try a good local butcher (not one from a large chain preferably) or Farmers market. I really do not think you will be disappointed.
howie Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Banning this method of producing food is long overdue, and I have long thought that its only a matter of time before we the consumers eventually suffered the consequences. One example shown last night was that since the early fifties a new breed of chicken was introduced in America to help meet demand. These were capable of doubling their weight twice as fast as other breeds, and with a few chemicals thrown in for good measure proved a great success, for the suppliers at least. Sixty years on we see widespread obesity, not only in the USA, but worldwide as this type of fast food becomes more popular, and there,s no doubt in my mind that we are now paying the price for this particular folly.
michele Posted January 12, 2008 Author Posted January 12, 2008 Yes I agee not everyone is fortunate but I look at it this way . If they have a fiver to buy two cheapies only buy one good one instead . You may loose your life on this forerign muck that is exported into the country . It sits on vans with no refridgeration rotting and then gets frozen again ...Stick to english.
Corky 8 Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I Keep my own Chicken (15) Rare Breed Orpingtons all hens which are free to roam, But I wouldnt agree with last nights program, Yes Chicken Farmers Keep them indoors and in great numbers (intensive),and the hygene could be better But first off, IF all Chicken were Free Range and the Chicken Flu (H51N) did strike the UK with any degree of Strength ,it COULD wipe out all the Free range Chicken. DEFRA Recommend if there is an out break that all Poultry should be kept indoors, Well Intesive Chicken farming is all indoors , Also do you not think Jammie Oliver and the guy from River Cottage buy Chicken two for one , not at all ,but they both have Friends who rear Free range Chicken commercially ( no Conflict of interest ?.) It,s always the well healed that come up with these ideas which always effect the poorer people in our society, another Point I would raise is Both Jamie Oliver and the Guy from River Cottage, (whom I did like ) were both going out of the Media lime light, and have come up with a great Idea to get them Both back in there, No For me its Not about Cheap Chicken and thier welfere its about Jamie Oliver and River Cottage , who has now gone into keeping Free range Chicken, will he go Commercial, Watch what happens if the flu virus strikes with any force, the will be no free range chicken for anyone, A Chickens brain is only the size of a broadbean, so its not going to stand and think these are terrible surroundings, it more interested in food. so lets not force people in poverty into deeper poverty by raising the price of thier and our Chicken I will continue to buy Supermarket chicken especially 2 for 1 yes PLEASE , Corky
howie Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 But if they normally buy two chickens then one might not be enough to go round.
howie Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Replying to Michele there Dennis and our postings crossed.
Poppy Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Buy one chicken instead of 2. Make it a treat! Learn to cook.My grandmother lived in what would be considered dire poverty by todays standards in THIS country but AMAZINGLY the family were always well fed and this was without mains gas/electricity or water.Further more all those who want this very cheap chicken no matter how raised probably suported the ban on hunting because it was cruel to foxes!!
Corky 8 Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 howie - 2008-01-12 11:31 AM Replying to Michele there Dennis and our postings crossed. :-) No problem howie
michele Posted January 12, 2008 Author Posted January 12, 2008 I dont know I'm lost with it all I dont mind them faming chickens I guess I disagree with the way they are packed in like sardines. I disagree with the way we look after them really I supose . What happened to the good old days of Bioled bacon and cabbage . I can remember when I was young having a cooked meal everynight of all the old foods good wholesome and healthty. I dont remember seeing a take away other than a chippy . Funny because back then we never heard of all this our kids were healthy and they were eating proper food.
Corky 8 Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Poppy - 2008-01-12 11:52 AM Buy one chicken instead of 2. Make it a treat! Learn to cook.My grandmother lived in what would be considered dire poverty by todays standards in THIS country but AMAZINGLY the family were always well fed and this was without mains gas/electricity or water.Further more all those who want this very cheap chicken no matter how raised probably suported the ban on hunting because it was cruel to foxes!! :-D Poppy,I went through some of the days you mentioned ,with no Gas or Electricity, yes I was well fed , but life wasnt easy, thats why I,m all in favour of Cheaper food available for those who need it, Its nice that you dont need to/ want to buy two for one but there are people out there Particularly the pensioners who dont have the income you may have and dont have a great deal of choice where they shop, so live and let live eh, Personally I would shoot every fox I see , when they get in chicken sheds they dont just kill and eat one, they kill everyone, and may only take one away, so no Sympathy there , my Views which I,m entitled to as is everone, Regards Corky
Poppy Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Corky of course you are entitledto your views. o am I.Oh and I am a pensioner!
Corky 8 Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 :-D Quite right Penny, there has to be mixed opinions on this subject by its nature , As you say your a Pensioner But you own a computer So I reason if you can afford a computer your not without means, When I go shopping with my wife I sometime feel ashamed the way some of our Pensioners are having to survive (they brought us through a world war ) and I use that word meaningly, watching them pick up tins of say beans and putting them back for cheaper ones , and spending an hour or so around the shop keeping warm, and counting thier money out at the till as if they didnt really want to part with it, My wife has paid for many a pensioners shopping who has been in front of her in the queue, they are the Ones I stick up for , so long my Cheap food be available for them. ;-) Corky
twooks Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 it's not just about cheap food tho - everyone wants breast fillet or drumsticks - and the rest gets chucked away or is ground up with a load of rubbish to make turkey twizzlers. I used to buy whole wild salmon - the fishmonger gave me two long fillets which made for really posh grub and I used the head and the meat off the bone to make stock, pate, fish cakes - pasta marinara - he said very few customers wanted the heads - so I often came away with a couple more, also got lots of free roe from him. I draw the line at chicken giblets mind :-S Cheap ie unpopular cuts of quality meat are wonderful - and you can get great gravy B-)
Poppy Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I think its disgraceful that anyone who has fought for their country (our country) or is old can't afford a proper diet, heating.housing etc.The answer surely lies though with better pensions.Pensioners in general (ok I am lucky) have been riped off in this country with the connivance of our government. My husband (who is good in finance) says that Gordon Brown robbed the pensions funds which started the collapse.
twooks Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 It seems that you're ok if you have nothing - and so qualify for all the benefits - providing you claim and you're all right of you have a good pension - inflation proof - [like MPs oddly enough] but the vast majority of people fall in between - course they can always raise some money by 'selling' their home to the rip off merchants I never can understand why it goes up by some incredibly tiny amount at 80? B-)
colin Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Poppy - 2008-01-12 3:59 PM Gordon Brown robbed the pensions funds which started the collapse. Can't let this one go. Whilst it's true GB helped himself to some cash from the pot, the problem with most pension funds started a long while ago when the companies took 'pension holidays' i.e. they didn't save for a rainy day, so when the share price's dropped there was no reserve to cover shortfall's.
twooks Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 are you getting at that nice man from czechoslovkia by chance the one that allegedly liked swimming off his yacht B-)
Syd Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Slightly off topic Why should someone (OAP or not) who is sitting on say £250,000 worth of equity in a house be entitled to government handouts. They should be thinking about downsizing surely and useing that money to make their own lives easier. I am against this money being stolen to pay for their care/medical needs I have a family and I see it as my responsibility to provide for them until such times as they can provide for themselves, not the governments responsibility. I find it hard to believe that there are lots of pensioners starving. Living on a tight budget, yes, but not starving surely. Im sure I will be corrected quiet quickly if I am wrong
crinklystarfish Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 There's a book called 'The price of Meat' by Danny Penman.If you have a soul, read it and weep.
colin Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 twooks - 2008-01-12 7:49 PM are you getting at that nice man from czechoslovkia by chance the one that allegedly liked swimming off his yacht B-) You mean my ex boss, big bob ;-) There's been a lot of companies that have legaly 'stuffed' their employies, unlike bob and kevin who illegaly did it.
colin Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Anyway back to chicken, I worked for Ross Poultry for a short while between leaving collage and starting apprenticeship, if you think what you get now is bad you realy don't want to know what they where pumping into chicken 30+years ago, and don't get me started on pork pies etc. (but I still eat them) As to becoming a vegetarian to save animals being killed, pretty much the same number of animals are killed to supply either market.
Guest JudgeMental Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 In Belize they eat iguana and call it Belize chicken. supposedly very tasty...... So I would quit complaining lol
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