michele Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Mike H , I hope its helpful I have done it for your friend . I don't have this problem it does not affect my model . I do hope I have not messed anything up for anyone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Good manKeep it going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 How about asking people on the other forums to help . Someone who is registered on say the M/Home forum could pop over and tell them that we need help for Andy on this forum and ask them to join in ? Just an idea maybe it may help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulurita Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I haven't forgoten the poll. just haven't been out in the mh recently or up any steep hills yet. will do it as soon as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinfrier Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hi I have started a thread on www.fiatforum.com regarding reversing judder if you have a problem or comments why not add them it may help Fiat monitor the forums Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Can you please check your entries on the poll? We currently have 18 vehicles recorded, 15 judder, 2 don't and one seems neither to judder nor not, if you see what I mean, so someone hasn't entered the all critical bit of information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 That citroen that is recorded is for Mike H's friend I done it and I certainly checked the box judders reversing up hill so its not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Sorry to be a nuisance to you all in the evnenings but can the two who stated that they didn't judder please find a good steep hill and try again. Meanhwile can anyone from the other fifteen who have got the judders and hasn't supplied me with their details please do so. Or in fact anyone with a 2007/08 Fiat Ducato which judders going up steep hills backwards. This is plainly an endemic problem and the more folk who let Fiat know they aren't happy with this fault the more chance there will be of sorting it out. Fiat are now talking to me directly after I've made such a nuisance of myself for so long, but to get anyhwere with them the pressure from complaints will need to be kept up. Fiat say they will have some news shortly, but who knows what it will be. IF YOU HAVE A JUDDERER email me - andystothert@blueyonder.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Can you find out which model of Citroen it is? Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamer Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hi Andy I am one of the two who stated no problem. I have a 160 version and found no problem reversing up my very steep drive. This tends to agree with other responses I have seen. I pointed out to Brian, when I first went to this thread that the poll did not identifying versions (see previous post) and I fully understand Brian's need to keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsCrossMotorHomes Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I have noticed a number of comments on the forums about clutch judder when using reverse gear. The answer is not to use the accelerator, just gently engage the clutch, and the engine management system will then take over in the normal way. Once the vehicle is actually moving and your foot is off the clutch pedal, you may add power should you so wish. You don't actually need power to get the MH moving as its a diesel power unit and has more torgue than a petrol unit. Try letting the clutch out gently without throttle and ONCE the clutch is fully engaged and vehicle is moving, THEN give it throttle to go up a slope. Our bottom storage yard is actually on quite a slope. White van man doesn't seem to have a problem or does he? Glenn Harris Service Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshague Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 look at this http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10500&posts=25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Perhaps John's Cross didn't receive the Service Circular from Fiat (reference 10/42.06) which advocates exactly the opposite solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Re the 160 versions not suffering the same I had the MMM Long term test van for a month (Chausson 93 with 3 litre engine) and whilst it did judder a bit it wasn't anyhwere near as bad as all the 2.3 litre versions which have a passed through my trembling hands since. The same can also be said for that awful Knaus S liner I tested too. It did judder, but not nearly as bad as the 2.3. I didn' think the 100 models were as bad either, but owners of two of those (both Adria Twins) beg to differ. Fiat just need to sort it out then we needn't worry which model we're getting, and the degree of defect present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I suspect that some having spent oddles of dosh are unlikely to want to admit in public they made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndyStothert Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Clive, I'm back and I'm as mad as wasp with Fiat after speaking to them this afternoon. Basically they are refusing to speak to me at all. All this stirring has made me persona non grata everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Its worth having a word with some of the major UK converters I guess. Slowly they are switching to Renault, perhaps this may become a stampede for the FWD based motorhomes. Were you aware of the special longer drive shafts for the Sevel Motorhome chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Can everybody who has read of this ongoing epic (and the twenty odd unhappy owners who are determined to get their vans fixed despite Fiat's dishonest and evasive handling of customers concerns) whether they intend to buy a Fiat based motorhome or not, and are going to the NEC, please, please, let the various salesmen and manufacturers reps know that they have heard about these complaints. And if you're really cheeky, or feel sorry for us mugs who have them, go a bit further and tell 'em you were thinking of buying one and have now decided to look at another chassis because of the transmission judder and vibrations. My good lady thinks I am now becoming ever so slightly obsessive and bizarre, but am I alone in getting this way? Is it a male thing? Will madness arrive before a fully functioning Fiat? Nurse, more medicine........quickly dss toi ory for us alintsalinst Fiat is ctu plaem chri dtoi get twhori van fixeds ares on thsi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 I'll take great pleasure in looking around vans then saying loudly "Nice layout but it's on a Fiat, the've got to many problems at moment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Due to my links with Warners (blood and financially) I have decided to forget my idea of targetting the Fiat Motorcaravan converters at the NEC show with a lealet campaign to point out to the public that buying a Fiat Ducato based motorcaravan might not be the smartest thing to until they have finished their still ongoing R & D programme. We, the present owners seem to be doing it. But despite finding a couple of willing volunteers to take my place, there are still two vacancies for fleet of foot sensible individuals to assist in public protection duties. Any takers? If you fancy a challenge, and want to help the long term interests of of the motorcaravanning public email me - andystothert@blueyonder.co.uk And checks will be made to ensure you are who you say you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Hi Just moved you back up to the top of the page. Good luck at NEC, Andy. Anyone who hasn't tried reversing their van up a steep hill yet, please get out there and try it and post results on the poll. Thankyou. Mike. H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Mike H Andy is asking about your friends Citroen above can you answer him ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I've just taken delivery of an Adria Twin which was registered in April 2007, which has 8,000 or so recorded miles. It is on the 2.3 Ducato. My drive is quite steep and recently I experienced clutch-burn on a hired Luton transit van, when I reversed up the drive, fully loaded. Today, I reversed my Adria Twin up the drive and, once again, there was the stench of clutch burn. However, despite there obviously being quite a strain on the van, there was no evidence of judder when reversing up the incline. From this experience, I would imagine that the clutch would be the most immediate problem were my drive any longer. With all the discussions about the judder, I'm surprised not to have read anything about clutch-burn. Does anyone else experience this when reversing uphill? Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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