colin Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I've found Michelin Agilis tyres to be good so found this article about new model interesting. http://www.whatvan.co.uk/newvans_s.asp?id=5274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afandy Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Ive found this brand really good.....Although you say new agilis....Ive had these tyres on my T4 VW lwb and have covered 65000 i will change them soon not because theyve worn out yet either ....This isnt a motorhome but still lalways loaded up....My only complaint ...they are a noisy tyre...Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Andy: The article Colin refers to relates to the 'new' Michelin Agilis range of tyres that replaces the Agilis 61, 81 and 101 ranges that have been marketed in unchanged form for several years. I had Agilis 81 tyres on my Herald Templar and didn't find them particularly noisy - or at least no noisier than the non-Agilis Michelin tyres that were on it before - and I don't think the Continental Vanco tyres on my present Hobby are any quieter. Perhaps your VW T4's design just allows a lot of tyre-noise to penetrate into the cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enodreven Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Hi, Can they be used to replace Michelin XC Camping tyres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 mytyres.co.uk now list the new michelin agilis tyre at £104.10 and the new michelin agilis camping m+s tyre at £107.40 (that for a 215/70r15c 109/107q) Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 For more details of the new Michelin "Agilis Camping" range see: http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/act_affich.jsp?news_id=22237&lang=EN&codeRubrique=43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel E Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 The big problem with Michelin is that they always seem to be out of stock. Also, as with the various Agilis tyres, they keep forcing new tread patterns and minor improvements onto you. So if you have a write-off puncture in one wheel, you cannot get a replacement with the dame tread pattern. If, like me, you don't like mixing tread patters on an axle, you are then forced into buying two tyres instead of one. The non-availability seems to affect me whenever I need new tyres, beit for motorhome or car. Mel E ==== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crag Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I've used these people twice now to fit Agilis 205/70/R15 http://www.event-tyres.co.uk/ They were approximately £90 each, but they come to you to fit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 afandy - 2008-04-08 9:37 PM Ive found this brand really good.....Although you say new agilis....Ive had these tyres on my T4 VW lwb and have covered 65000 i will change them soon not because theyve worn out yet either ....This isnt a motorhome but still lalways loaded up....My only complaint ...they are a noisy tyre...Andy Thats odd, one of the reasons I like Agilis, is that they are queiter than any other type I have used, this is on a T25 with 'bulkhead' proboly the van most affected by tyre noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 How do the Michelins compare with Continental Vancos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 parkmoy: Do you mean price-wise, or performance-wise? Price-wise, you'd need to shop around to compare prices, but I expect (on a like-for-like basis) there's not going to be a lot of difference. Performance-wise, to the best of my knowledge there are no recent independent data to allow a worthwhile comparison to be made. The German motorhome magazine Pro-Mobil carried out a comparative test some years back, but this involved 'old' versions of tyres that have now been superseded. Perhaps the only significant 'on paper' technical difference between the latest Michelin tyres being discussed here and the Continental equivalents is that the Michelins have a M+S (Mud + Snow) tread pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I was thinking of performance and wondered if any forum members had experience of both. The Agilis 81's seem to be a bit cheaper online than the Vanco's on a quick look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickt Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Just changed from Michelin Camping Tyres to Continental Vanco .Seem to run ok , infact when checking for tyre presure with there office i now run at lower presure than the Michelin. Also the price was good,£80.00 each fitted at Kwik Fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 parkmoy: I have practical experience of Michelin Agilis 81 and Continental Vanco-8 tyres. However, as these were fitted to two different motorhomes and were of differing sizes, it's hard to make any sort of useful comparison. Both do/did what I expected them to do - what more can I say? Frankly, I'd be very surprised if a motorhome driver could notice any difference in performance between similar specification tyres from different manufacturers. That's not to say that there wouldn't be a difference - one tyre might provide significantly superior wet-weather grip, for example - just that, in real world use, the driver won't be in a position to recognise that benefit. Only by comparing the performance of the tyres under controlled test conditions will their relative merits become apparent. If you are comparing the price of Agilis 81 (obsolescent) with Vanco-8, then the comparison is valid as both 'patterns' are general purpose. If you are comparing Agilis 81 with VancoCamper, then you should perhaps expect the Michelins to be cheaper as VancoCamper is a more specialised tyre aimed particularly at the motorhome market. MickT: If you've swapped from Michelin XC Camping tyres to Continental Vanco-8s and you've been accustomed to running the former at the high inflation pressures these tyres are designed to handle, then it would be necessary to reduce those pressures for the Continental products as these have a lower design-pressure maximum. The like-for-like Continental equivalent to XC Camping is VancoCamper that can also be inflated to higher-than-average pressures. As XC Camping and Vanco-8 are both '8-ply rated' patterns, the inflation pressure required for same-size tyres from both manufacturers in order to support the same axle-loading should be near enough the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 That's not to say that there wouldn't be a difference - one tyre might provide significantly superior wet-weather grip, for example - just that, in real world use, the driver won't be in a position to recognise that benefit. Only by comparing the performance of the tyres under controlled test conditions will their relative merits become apparent. Thanks for that Derek. Re the above, are you saying that reduced braking distance would be not be noticeable? What made me ask was this report, http://www.motorcaravanning.com/vehicles/tyre_test.htm which seems to show fairly significant differences between brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 paul2 - 2008-04-09 9:17 PM mytyres.co.uk now list the new michelin agilis tyre at £104.10 and the new michelin agilis camping m+s tyre at £107.40 (that for a 215/70r15c 109/107q) Paul Hi Paul, have you got a link for above as I am searching for the new agilis camping in size you have given and cannot find. Usual story as with many motorhomers I am replacing because of side wall cracks/age and not wear. Finding everyones comments very helful and useful as I debate with myself whether to get Continentals or Michelins. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 parkmoy: The www.motorcaravanning.com data you refer to relates to the June 2002 Pro-Mobil report I mentioned earlier in this thread. It compared, under controlled conditions, a range of '10-ply rated' 16" tyres that one might choose to use on a large motorhome instead of the Michelin XC Camping pattern that (in 2002) was the only 'camping-car' tyre available. The test didn't include Vanco-8 or Agilis 81 (and, obviously, it didn't include VancoCamper or the latest Michelin Agilis patterns). It's also the case that some of the tyres tested (like Vanco Four Seasons) have been superseded. The test is useful in highlighting that there are big performance differences between tyres, but whether the results are still valid 6-years on is quite another matter. I don't really understand how a motorcaravanner could, in normal driving, notice that a particular tyre provided reduced braking distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I don't really understand how a motorcaravanner could, in normal driving, notice that a particular tyre provided reduced braking distance? I think Derek that the word 'normal ' is the key here (lol) Perhaps in an emergency on a wet road it would become noticeable, otherwise there wouldn't be much point in manufacturers developing better tyres! I would suspect that under 'normal' driving conditions virtually any unworn tyre would do a good job? Like Brambles I'm debating which tyres to buy and when you think of just how small an amount of rubber is in contact with the road it makes you want to get the best even if it costs a few bob more. Thanks for the info re the test, I wondered when it had been done. I have to say that the variations between what I considered top brands did surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Hi brambles i'm not sure how to do links but if you go to www.mytyres.co.uk enter shop put in tyres size ie 215/70r15 change speed index to Q come down tick C for commercial then search today on page 2 continental vanco camper £80.10 on page 3 michelin agilis camping £106.9 prices and tyres seem to change daily the last time i used them i ordered after 9pm on a friday night and received them before 10am on the wednesday the date code made them about 4 weeks old if you look at old posts dave has used them to you do have to get them fitted and balanced paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 parkmoy: If cost isn't an issue why don't you just plump for the new Michelin Agilis Camper? This tyre's design is motorhome-oriented and, being M+S-marked, should offer potential grip advantages on muddy campsites. There's no way of knowing whether it's superior or inferior to its competitors, but it's bound to be a competent performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambles Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Thanks paul, the bit I was missing was checking the C tyres (commercial) box. Have emailed Tyre-Shopper.co.uk (part of National Tyres I think) and asked if they can supply agilis camping as comparing other tyres they seem cheaper. Well, about £4 more but inludes fitting. Also find Etyres.co.uk have at £110.60 inclusive of fitting but not sure if they have a fitting dealer/mobile in my area. Whatever! it still works out a heck of a lot cheaper than the price I got from ATS which was just below £600 for 4. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 For anyone looking for specialised 'Camping-Car' tyres, as far as I can make out this is the current position. There are only 3 manufacturers (Continental, Michelin and Pirelli), producing tyres in the sizes shown below:- CONTINENTAL - "VANCO-CAMPER" 215/70 R15CP 109R 225/65 R16CP 112R 215/75 R16C 116/114R 225/75 R16CP 116R MICHELIN - "AGILIS CAMPING" 215/70 R15CP 109Q 225/70 R15CP 112Q 225/65 R16CP 112Q 195/75 R16CP 107Q 215/75 R16CP 113Q 225/75 R16CP 116Q PIRELLI - "CITYNET CAMPER" 215/70 R15CP 109R 195/65 R16CP 104R 195/75 R16CP 107R 215/75 R16CP 113R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 If cost isn't an issue why don't you just plump for the new Michelin Agilis Camper? This tyre's design is motorhome-oriented and, being M+S-marked, should offer potential grip advantages on muddy campsites. There's no way of knowing whether it's superior or inferior to its competitors, but it's bound to be a competent performer. Unfortunately none of the camper tyres come in my size so I've decided that the Vanco Four Seasons is probably as good as any at around £76 mail order. It's an M+S pattern and should do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 parkmoy: Earlier in this thread I said that Continental's Vanco Four Season pattern had been superseded. Clearly that's not so, but I notice that it's not shown on Continental's UK website (nor in my Continental product leaflet), though it does appear on the US version of the website. Odd that... I also came across this website http://www.tyretest.com/ that carries 'user' reviews of various makes/patterns of tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Derek, All season tyres VancoFourSeason 195/70 R15C 104/102R 8PR Double branding 97T, M+S marking * with mytyres.co.uk only £ 74.70 Yes, I wondered about them being superseded. I hope they're not old stock. I haven't ordered yet so I think I'll give them a ring first to check. I don't want tyres a couple of years old before I get them! What does 'double branding 97T' mean btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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